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The colour key of this map doesn't map the regions of Africa. There are regional colours on the map that aren't in the key and colours in the key that aren't on the map. The key should be fixed or the map removed. [[User:Ross Fraser|Ross Fraser]] ([[User talk:Ross Fraser|talk]])
The colour key of this map doesn't map the regions of Africa. There are regional colours on the map that aren't in the key and colours in the key that aren't on the map. The key should be fixed or the map removed. [[User:Ross Fraser|Ross Fraser]] ([[User talk:Ross Fraser|talk]])

== Turks in Africa ==

====North Africa====
{| class="wikitable sortable"
|-
! Region settlement !! Year of Turkish settlement !! Name of Turkish community !! Current status
|-
| [[Algeria]] || 1517 || [[Turks in Algeria|Algerian Turks]] || Estimates on the Algerian Turkish community vary significantly, according to the Turkish Embassy in Algeria there is between 600,000 to 2 million people of Turkish origin living in Algeria.<ref name="Turkish Embassy in Algeria 2008 loc=4"/> The Oxford Business Group has suggested that people of Turkish descent make up 5% of Algeria's total population, accounting to about 1.7 million.<ref name="OBG 2008 loc=10"/> However, other estimates state that the Turkish community make up 10–25% of Algeria's population, if the Turkish-Algerian creole population known as the [[Kouloughlis]] are included.<ref name="Zaman" /><ref name="Hizmetli 1953 loc=10">{{Harvnb|Hizmetli|1953|loc=10}}.</ref>
|-
| [[Egypt]] || 1517 || [[Turks in Egypt|Egyptian Turks]] || About 100,000<ref name="Baedeker 2000 loc=lviii"/> Turks are still living in Egypt are often called "Egyptian Turkmens" or "Egyptian Turks" because various Turkic migrations to Egypt began as early as the 7th century. However, most of today's descendants, about 1.5 million, have assimilated into the Arab population.<ref name="Akar 1993 loc=94" />
|-
| [[Libya]] || 1551 || [[Turks in Libya|Libyan Turks]] || In 1936 there were 35,000 Turks living in Libya, forming about 5% of the total population at the time.<ref name="Pan 1949 loc=103">{{Harvnb|Pan|1949|loc=103}}.</ref>
|-
| [[Tunisia]] || 1574 || [[Turks in Tunisia|Tunisian Turks]] || As much as 25% of Tunisia's population are of Turkish origin.<ref name="Hizmetli 1953 loc=10"/>
|}


{{flagcountry|Algeria}}
= 600,000–3,300,000
<ref name="Turkish Embassy in Algeria 2008 loc=4">{{Harvnb|Turkish Embassy in Algeria|2008|loc=4}}.</ref><ref name="OBG 2008 loc=10">{{Harvnb|Oxford Business Group|2008|loc=10}}.</ref><ref name="Zaman">{{cite web |author=Zaman|title=Türk’ün Cezayir’deki lakabı: Hıyarunnas!|url=http://ro.zaman.com.tr/ro/newsDetail_getNewsById.action;jsessionid=E066C0BD415E76A7101FBA78B915F206.node1?sectionId=161&newsId=69|accessdate=18 March 2012}}</ref>

{{flagcountry|Tunisia}}
= 500,000–2,400,000
<ref name="Akar 1993 loc=95">{{Harvnb|Akar|1993|loc=95}}.</ref><ref>{{cite web |author=Zaman|title=Türk işadamları Tunus’ta yatırım imkanı aradı|url=http://www.zaman.com.tr/bolge-haberleri_turk-isadamlari-tunusta-yatirim-imkani-aradi_2040605.html|accessdate=27 March 2013}}</ref><ref name="HaftayaBakış">{{citation|last=Ertan|first=Fikret|year=1998|title=Tunus ve tarih|url=http://arsiv.zaman.com.tr//1998/05/06/yazarlar/11.html|publisher=Zaman}}.</ref>

{{flagcountry|Libya}}
= 50,000
<ref name="Akar 1993 loc=95"/>

{{flagcountry|Egypt}}
= 100,000–1,500,000
<ref name="Baedeker 2000 loc=lviii">{{Harvnb|Baedeker|2000|loc=lviii}}.</ref><ref name="Akar 1993 loc=94">{{Harvnb|Akar|1993|loc=94}}.</ref>

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The imagemap in the African Union section needs to be redone or removed, it is highly erroneous: Template:Africa countries imagemap — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rail88 (talk • contribs) 22:18, 24 June 2012

Africa

Bukyrrocro, could you please just go to the talk page instead of reverting without reason? AcidSnow (talk) 21:54, 7 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Sports Section on South Africa

Please mention that South Africa won the Rugby world cup on 1995 and 2007, there is a picture of Namibia team on there but no mention that South Africa took the cup twice. Also South Africa is ranked first for the ICC test cricket ranking currently and 4th for 20/20 cricket by ICC. — Preceding unsigned comment added by FroggyFroneman (talk • contribs) 10:37, 15 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Should it not be considered imperious

….for an article on Africa to be locked? And when it opens with an apparently unsourced line? Please add the following tag to the first sentence:

Change from: 

   Africa is the world's second-largest and second-most-populous continent.

Change to: 

   Africa is the world's second-largest and second-most-populous continent.[not verified in body][clarification needed]

Alternatively, add the content of this lede-opening sentence somewhere in the body of the text, with a citation for the non-common knowledge, factual information it contains, and then clarify (answer the question begged), "second in each case to which other continent or continents?" If these two glaring errors are addressed, there is no need to introduce these inline tags.

71.239.87.100 (talk) 15:30, 14 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

On the lead and the changes that needs to be done on it

I have unsuccessfully tried to reform the lead section of this article [1][2]. The aims of my edits were to give a more complete overview of what Africa actually is and what is to be found there. The present version has three paragraphs: first one on geography and extent, the second one stating population is young and a third one about human origins in Africa plus a short sentence on climate.

This not good enough for such important article. I find the human/hominid origin and evolution section too long and the "young continent" paragraph out of context. Additionally Nigeria and Algeria get a special mention becuase of being the most populous and largest countries. I disagree with that special mention since there are plenty of general aspects that are more important to include in the lead (see following). What I propose is:

  1. Removal of young continent sentence (unless it is put in a broader context). It does not matter if its sourced or not. The lead needs flow and coherence.
  2. Removal of special mention of Nigeria and Algeria. Land area and population in Africa is not enough concentrated in those countries to give them a special mention (compare with Brazil in south America that has about half of the population and land area of the continent).
  3. Shortening of human/hominid origin and evolution. One or two sentences are enough.
  4. Addition of the general human aspects of the continent including: explaining the human groups and cultures present. I infer some editors are not happy with the use of "Sub-Saharan" this terminology can be avoided. We need to state both the diversity and the unifying features of Africa.
  5. Addition of key historical events. I guess Bantu expansion, Arabization, Islamization, Colonialism and Decolonization are all candidates to help give a minimum of historical context.
  6. I also consider adding something about the international image and stereotypes of Africa to explain its "savage", "exotic", "poor", "primitive" and "undeveloped" image across the globe.

Please comment this proposal (I have previously helped shape the leads of Argentina, Chile, Paraguay and South America so that you can see what I consider better leads than this). Dentren | Talk 20:12, 14 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • My stance is this; you shouldn't delete a content because YOU term it as "irrelevant". Wikipedia isn't here for what only one person thinks. Atleast the person who added it must have considered it relevant before adding it, and I also consider such mentions relevant in the lead. The least you can do is copyedit such sentences to look more presentable, if you think they are badly phrased. Then again, as you said, you wanted to add "stereotypes"....that's unacceptable! well, except you can prove that it is factual! which means, citing reliable sources to prove such stereotypes.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 23:02, 15 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • A) Personal judgement is completely valid. Just as some people add because THEY deem relevant some may remove because of irrelevancy. I want changes to last therefore I'm trying to engage people here in inteligent discussion.
  • B) Unfortunately, and if you are African youself you may recognize this, Africa is known for a series associations that may include stereotypes. It is completely acceptable to discuss stereotypes in the lead if they are relevant enough. To make the point I cite articles like Stereotypes of Jews. That discuss stereotypes without necessarily validating them. Dentren | Talk 00:22, 16 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • A) You'd need to have a strong case other than "irrelevant" inorder to remove an appropriate, and sourced contribution...just the same way, It wouldn't be right for me to delete any of your contributions I termed "irrelevant", despite being sourced and very appropriate.
B) Then you can easily create an article for African stereotypes as well; stereotypes are not meant to be included in the leads of main articles of any subject. They can be somehow included in the body; but then again, you'd have to prove the stereotypes are significant and notable enough to be included.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 00:30, 16 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 23 October 2014

its some information that needs corrected and I will like to help by fixing

96.4.179.130 (talk) 20:35, 23 October 2014 (UTC) Sure, what is it? AcidSnow (talk) 20:43, 23 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done This is not the right page to request additional user rights.
If you want to suggest a change, please request this in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ".
Please also cite reliable sources to back up your request. - Arjayay (talk) 07:22, 24 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I do not believe that this page is viable to be compared to all of Africa's glory as a continent, and it is for this reason I move it be examined by a Doctor or Master of African Studies. I am by no means a doctor or a master in African studies, meaning I hold no degrees, but I have devoted most of my life to African study and may make suggestions as time proceeds. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kieran P. Clark (talk • contribs) 21:33, 7 November 2014 (UTC) Kieran P. Clark (talk) 21:51, 7 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]


I would also like to point out in the map of colonialism, Ethiopia is falsely represented. Ethiopia did in fact have a brief colonial period in which the Italians held Ethiopia for a brief time. Also, Cameroon was not solely German. There were also influences from the French and the English, hence the modern language. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kieran P. Clark (talk • contribs) 21:39, 7 November 2014 (UTC) Kieran P. Clark (talk) 21:51, 7 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]


Also, Kiswahili, as much as I would like to say it is indigenous, is technically not. Swahili, which emerged from the Swahili city-states, in in fact a mix of Bantu, Arabic, Omani dialects, and colonial European languages. However, you would be correct in saying it is the lingua franca of Kenya, Tanzania, Uganda, and other parts of East Africa. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kieran P. Clark (talk • contribs) 21:49, 7 November 2014 (UTC) Kieran P. Clark (talk) 21:51, 7 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Description of a picture

"The intricate 9th-century bronzes from Igbo-Ukwu, in Nigeria displayed a level of technical accomplishment that was notably more advanced than European bronze casting of the same period."

The description of one of the pictures is very vague and debatable. 9th-century European craftsmanship in Europe was at the same, if not higher, level than in Africa at that time. 9th-century is already a Viking era, Carolingian Renaissance etc. Art in the 9th century was primarily dedicated to the Church and employed as basic tools of the Roman Catholic mass. Thousands of golden art objects were made: Sacred cups, vessels, reliqueries, crucifixes, rosaries, altar pieces, and statues of the Virgin and Child or Saints all kept the flame of art from dying out.

Regions of Africa map makes no sense

The colour key of this map doesn't map the regions of Africa. There are regional colours on the map that aren't in the key and colours in the key that aren't on the map. The key should be fixed or the map removed. Ross Fraser (talk)

Turks in Africa

North Africa

Region settlement Year of Turkish settlement Name of Turkish community Current status
Algeria 1517 Algerian Turks Estimates on the Algerian Turkish community vary significantly, according to the Turkish Embassy in Algeria there is between 600,000 to 2 million people of Turkish origin living in Algeria.[1] The Oxford Business Group has suggested that people of Turkish descent make up 5% of Algeria's total population, accounting to about 1.7 million.[2] However, other estimates state that the Turkish community make up 10–25% of Algeria's population, if the Turkish-Algerian creole population known as the Kouloughlis are included.[3][4]
Egypt 1517 Egyptian Turks About 100,000[5] Turks are still living in Egypt are often called "Egyptian Turkmens" or "Egyptian Turks" because various Turkic migrations to Egypt began as early as the 7th century. However, most of today's descendants, about 1.5 million, have assimilated into the Arab population.[6]
Libya 1551 Libyan Turks In 1936 there were 35,000 Turks living in Libya, forming about 5% of the total population at the time.[7]
Tunisia 1574 Tunisian Turks As much as 25% of Tunisia's population are of Turkish origin.[4]


 Algeria = 600,000–3,300,000 [1][2][3]

 Tunisia = 500,000–2,400,000 [8][9][10]

 Libya = 50,000 [8]

 Egypt = 100,000–1,500,000 [5][6]

  1. ^ a b Turkish Embassy in Algeria 2008, 4.
  2. ^ a b Oxford Business Group 2008, 10.
  3. ^ a b Zaman. "Türk'ün Cezayir'deki lakabı: Hıyarunnas!". Retrieved 18 March 2012.
  4. ^ a b Hizmetli 1953, 10.
  5. ^ a b Baedeker 2000, lviii.
  6. ^ a b Akar 1993, 94.
  7. ^ Pan 1949, 103.
  8. ^ a b Akar 1993, 95.
  9. ^ Zaman. "Türk işadamları Tunus'ta yatırım imkanı aradı". Retrieved 27 March 2013.
  10. ^ Ertan, Fikret (1998), Tunus ve tarih, Zaman.
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