Talk:Deaths in 2015

Judy Carne IS dead

Her hometown newspaper says she has died and quotes her niece and to quote the author of the piece about her dying:

"No hoax. Website called mediamass, which is a fake news generator, claimed it's a hoax. Judy's niece has confirmed it's true."

86.6.19.71 (talk) 15:20, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

Give us a source then. Rusted AutoParts 15:53, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

Here. I'm bemused as to why some editors are refusing to accept it. Ghmyrtle (talk) 16:04, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

PS: Strong corroborative evidence from local Facebook contacts - "I can confirm that Judy Carne sadly passed away on Thursday at NGH, a close family member has contacted me to let me and everyone else know. I know this lady, I am sure our thoughts go out to Judys family and friends at this sad time." Ghmyrtle (talk) 16:57, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

No source, no death. Anything else is original research (WP:NOR). And don't mention Facebook as an organ of truth. That too is WP:NOR tainted. I mean, logged in, I could insert Kool DJ AJ's age as 57 in the appropriate entry on this page because I KNOW it to be so. Yet there are no hard references in print or on the internet to back up my knowledge. So I go with the sources, and don't put in unsupportable facts. 86.112.58.46 (talk) 06:07, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

"No source, no death"

That's the point, though. There was a source, namely a newspaper, which quoted her niece.

The reason I started this discussion is because somebody was listing her as dead and included a link to the source(the newspaper) but people kept reversing the edit because, according to them, some American gossip website was more reputable and more believable than a newspaper local to where Judy Carne lived. 86.6.19.71 (talk) 02:49, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

Warren Murphy

Right now there are no works listed by his name. I recommend putting in the Destroyer series, which he co-created with Richard Sapir. There have been about 150 books in the series plus a spin-off series, comics, and a movie, so it's probably safe to say that co-creating that series is what he's most known for. 108.180.241.232 (talk) 01:24, 8 September 2015 (UTC) Andy Nystrom

 Added The Destroyer. — Wyliepedia 03:40, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 August 2015

Phillip J. Baur Jr., 84, American CEO and Chairman (Tasty Baking Company/Tastykake) [2] Runway27r (talk) 13:50, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

Not done: - this person appears unlikely to satisfy our notability criteria, so he does not meet the selection criteria for this list. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 17:21, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

Suicide: Cause?

One minute I seem to be alone in this world, and the next there is hope. But then a silent return to despair.

In plainer talk, suicide is a manner of death. It can go with any cause an accident or homicide can, but it's nothing more substantial or informative than "natural causes" by itself. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:22, September 11, 2015 (UTC)

I agree that suicide not a cause of death, as opposed to "self-inflicted gun shot wound" "suicide by hanging" or similar, as this is what I was taught in forensics and which is verified elsewhere. I self-reverted myself however as I thought I may be being overly pedantic and assumed it wouldn't harm to discuss it here first.--Jezebel's Ponyo^{bons mots} 22:53, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

And I reverted you because I assumed foul play before considering the usernames. Edit suicide is far rarer than normal suicide, but appropriately meta, in this case. Still, poor call on my part.

Not too pedantic an issue at all. The two concepts are fundamentally different, despite having death in common. Like how length and width are "close enough". Or ethnicity and citizenship. Maiden names and middle names. All connected, but so are time of death, place of death, informant of death and the rest. Far different from the old fruit/vegetable debaucle/debackle. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:16, September 12, 2015 (UTC)

Alright, so it is a manner of death, but how is it wrong to report it? This is an encyclopedic webpage, and information about a person's suicide, whether or not how it was done is known, is relevant information.Nukualofa (talk) 14:16, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

The relevant information is "Name, age, country of citizenship at birth, subsequent country of citizenship (if applicable), reason for notability, cause of death (if known) and reference." InedibleHulk (talk) 14:11, September 12, 2015 (UTC)

That for sure is overly pedantic. Now you have to start removing all films etc mentioned on this page, as it is surplus information according to that list. Nukualofa (talk) 14:16, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

No, those are reasons for notability. InedibleHulk (talk) 14:29, September 12, 2015 (UTC)

It has been acceptable here over many years to include execution and suicide in describing death. If we did not, we would surely have Robin Williams and Saddam Hussein departing life with the same cause. WWGB (talk) 02:05, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

I'm definitely for including the manner, when it has a cause to complement and distinguish. But on its own, it's about as descriptive as plain "blue". Did you think I meant the sky? Not even close! Same as here. Puts just enough of an idea in people's heads for them to fill in the blank. It's not as bad as blatantly misinforming them by supplying our own guess, but if we don't have the actual answer, begging the question at all seems irresponsible. At the very least, it's a half-truth. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:21, September 14, 2015 (UTC)

Request

Dunno how to do this, but can someone add Alan Purwin? [3] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nohomersryan (talk • contribs) 04:53, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

 Added basic entry for him on 9/11. If any movie editors wish to sort through his aviation filming, his website has a list of them to choose from. — Wyliepedia 09:52, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

Bill McAfee - September 12

Following his addition here as "journalist and politician", which included his political office, I added his longest job in journalism. InedibleHulk came behind me and added his shorter jobs. The source given states this (paraphrased):

Bill began his public broadcasting career, for which his is best remembered, in 1960, at radio station, WCGA ... He considered this to be one of the most enjoyable experiences in his media career path. Bill then moved to other radio stations, WBHF... and WCHK ... In 1963, he moved to Channel 9, WTVC ... Bill was with Channel 9 for 12½ years when he moved to Channel 12, WDEF.

Personally, I think it's overdoing all the jobs he had (3 jobs in three years), regardless of how he was "remembered", which is borderline too local. Had I known that all the others would've been added, I would've let his entry stand and his notability be his political office. — Wyliepedia 21:11, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

I was mainly just aiming for recognition of his radio work, not only TV. The details are secondary, and yeah, quite local. Not particularly attached, but the one best radio station should stay. WCGA, I guess. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:26, September 14, 2015 (UTC)

That ping didn't work, by the way. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:29, September 14, 2015 (UTC)

@InedibleHulk: That's because it's not a @Ping:, but merely an identifier. I do know what I'm doing, yanno. — Wyliepedia 22:01, 15 September 2015 (UTC)