Talk:Aphex Twin

Personal life

James does not have children. He is not married, either, him and his girlfriend just like to joke around and pretend like they are and like they have children.

Quote:

»dave: […] Also been checking some of your interviews that have started coming out, really cracked me up, all your lies about having kids and wives !

rich: Well you know you gotta play with the conventions ain't ya, also though, I always kinda fantasised about what it would be like to have kids and get married etc, I know I probably will never do that, so I guess it's nice to pretend that you've done it, my russian girlfriend was flattered when I started pretending we were married, a lot of people now think we are married which is funny and we just play a long with it most of the time, we had an imaginary wedding and have imaginary kids.«

Source: http://noyzelab.blogspot.co.uk/2014/11/syrobonkers-part1.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.226.41.126 (talk) 18:37, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

New album?

Is this worth placing into the article? http://www.bbc.co.uk/6music/news/20090313_aphex_twin.shtml 91.111.126.70 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 23:03, 14 March 2009 (UTC).

Why not? A new album, and on Warp. That's news. --Avant-garde a clue-hexaChord² 23:12, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

whats the deal with konklaver? his so called new album, anyone know? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.153.78.87 (talk) 17:54, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Still waiting......

Computer albums

I've altered a section in the analord section that claims his previous albums were just soft synths and computers, as it seems a lot more likely that he used hardware then processed it for drukqs as well as for some late nineties material. it was probably just the mid 90's stuff that used computers exclusively. Melaena (talk) 19:14, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

I believe I added that, it was my intention to refer to those previous albums like Richard D James in that sentence. Despite, I think the article is best without it.Rtyq2 (talk) 22:13, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Tregaskin+Tregaskin=James

Both Discogs.com and Rushup Edge's Allmusic Guide Review claim that The Tuss is, in fact, another name for Aphex Twin. What should we do with the The Tuss article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lord Weasel (talk • contribs) 03:45, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Well it's still not 100 % certain. I would however just include whatever you to write about The Tuss in the Aphex Twin article and state it's still uncertain it is in fact Richard D James but that credible sources think it is, and cite that Allmusic article. Biggiesmartypants (talk) 13:45, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Every track from Confederation Trough EP and Rushup Edge is registered with BMI as being written by Richard David James. (BMI Repertoire Search, search for "james richard david" as a composer/songwriter) You can't get much more officially confirmed than that. —Eclipsed Moon (talk) 00:05, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Yeah - how much longer are we going to have to wait before we can put The Tuss as a confirmed RDJ alias? If the BMI Repertoire Search says it is him - it is him. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.236.128.11 (talk) 00:35, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Right now we just have it linking to The Tuss saying it's unconfirmed, which seems good enough. Once (if it ever) gets officially confirmed, we'll change it. Rtyq2 (talk) 21:13, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

It's pretty much officially confirmed. BMI is the most factual of a source you're going to get, unfortunately you can't say the same about Richard. ChunkyStyle (talk contribs) 04:52, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

mention BMI facts backed up by source. quote rephlex sayin' 'tuss is not aphex. who cares. music more important' = balanced + sorted (aka the wikipedia way) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.4.214.216 (talk) 08:28, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

I added a section called "rephlex's denial" to The Tuss. Hopefully that should balance out the article. And feel free to add more to it. Rtyq2 (talk) 18:19, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Following the merge guidelines, I'm placing a merge document on the top of the page. If you haven't heard the news, in an interview RDJ has claimed authorship of The Tuss. --Akhenaten0 (talk) 01:59, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

The second sentence: Aphex described as "the most inventive and influential"

"He has been described as "the most inventive and influential figure in contemporary electronic music."[1]" from source [3]

This is an opening of an article that's ment to lure readers in, I left it out. It is not a source that can be copied in the opening paragraph of this article. I guess Aphex Twin could be called influential somewhere in the article but with extreme caution because it's Point of View.

Why has this been placed back?Biggiesmartypants (talk) 19:24, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Removed this sentence again.Biggiesmartypants (talk) 20:51, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

..and it's back again. my 2c - it's a referenced statement, and is relatively neutral. to put it another way, we can't say 'he is the most influential figure in electronic music' but we can say 'he has been described as the most influential figure in electronic music', and provide a reference. i say keep it. --Kaini (talk) 15:09, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

A source would be a book or an article from someone who knows what he's talking about, not the quoted article. The quoted article is not scientific. It may be fun to read for someone who doesn't know aphex twin but otherwise it's worthless. This second sentence of this wiki page makes it ridiculous from the get-go. The rest is sub-par too so i guess it fits. I'm out Biggiesmartypants (talk) 12:51, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

that ref is from the guardian. refs don't get much more verifiable/notable than that. Also this article should be geared towards 'someone who doesn't know aphex twin'! --Kaini (talk) 09:35, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

It's been kind of quoted out of context because what I said about luring the reader in, it's typical journalistic stuff to keep the reader interested. Also this journalist isn't an authoritiy on musical influence (I have looked the writer up). I personally am not able to read past such a sentence in an opening paragraph in a wiki. I agree with your "Also this article should be geared towards 'someone who doesn't know aphex twin'!" but at the same time I'd want the article as scientifically correct as possible. Biggiesmartypants (talk) 14:50, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Okay I'm proposing this instead: "Many artists have said they've been influenced by the music of Aphex Twin. Many critics have applauded the innovativeness of his sound." Or something that's worded better. I propose this becauese it is more factual and therefor encyclopedic (sources with these sentences would be nice). Or I'm proposing a sentence similar to the one that's there now, but from an authoritative figure. Biggiesmartypants (talk) 07:55, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

I put this discussion back from the archive, I don't agree on it being archived after a month. Also I still don't agree with the sentense, I should remove it again, as the last time it was removed by a bot. Also I could do a poll, but as a poll is a way of starting discussion I don't feel like it because I'm done discussing this, I'll leave it to future editors Biggiesmartypants (talk) 13:42, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

I think the statement should be removed as well unless it's been said by someone relevant. You could cite a sentence like this from somebody about virtually and band. I think the sentence should be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.227.159.148 (talk) 01:09, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

This article will forever be a joke to me as long as that sentence (with that source) is in the opening of it. (That's just another opinion though). Biggiesmartypants (talk) 13:09, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

if you have a problem with wikipedia policy regarding something like WP:V, the village pump is probably a good place to start discussing that. the talk page of an article probably isn't --Kaini (talk) 20:53, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

No I have a problem with this particular article. I think this is a bad source to get such a bold claim from, in the opening sentence this article no less. It should be taken from a respectable authority on music (who, I hope, won't make such a strong statement though, because it's hard to be the most influential) (maybe this borders into problems with WP:V, yes). With my joke remark I'm mostly saying that, if I was unfamiliar with Aphex Twin and looked him up on wikipedia to find out more about him, I would disregard this article as juvenile after reading the first sentence and would stop. Biggiesmartypants (talk) 22:20, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

the claim is based on The Guardian as a source. this is a respected and venerable english paper. there's no question as regarding the verifiability or indeed notability of the source. your problem is with policy, inasmuch as policy affects this article. --Kaini (talk) 00:58, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

I was too lazy to do this before but maybe I want to do it now: shall we have a Straw poll about this? I'd like to have more opinions on this and maybe this will help get those. Biggiesmartypants (talk) 22:20, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

whilst polls can help gather a feel of what the consensus is, polls don't decide stuff like this. i've amended the lede a bit - should actually be longer, really... ---Kaini (talk) 01:03, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

I read about polls and I understand they aren't for deciding on stuff. However, I want to use it to get people to post here about this subject. Because now it's just us two discussing this. I don't want to use the poll to get my way but it would make me feel better, as a wikipedia user, to know the general consensus on this. (I appreciate your last patch but I still can't agree).Biggiesmartypants (talk) 09:14, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Gear

He also used synthesizers of his generation, the Synton Fenix, and the notoriously difficult to program Roland MC-4 sequencer (a sequencer with a reputation for excellent timing), as well as the famous Roland TB-303 for his trademark acid melodies.

hrm... who is hyping up ebay items, huh? analord features over 100 machines. imo move the sentence to analord article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hexagonmoon (talk • contribs) 22:54, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

perhaps you could tell us some more of the 100+ machines? These (except 303) feature on the analord labels, so do Electrocomp sequencers on analord 9 The idea of someone needing to hype a Synton Fenix in this way, or at all, is proposterous. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.157.243.124 (talk) 20:36, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

agreed. i'm trying to WP:AGF but i just cannot see how someone would interpret this as 'ebay hypery'. --Kaini (talk) 23:12, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Conkern65 (talk) 17:15, 6 June 2011 (UTC)== Aphex twin covers? ==

I wonder would it be relevant to make a short list of songs covered by other artists..

I can only think of one off hand: Flim is covered by american jazz trio The Bad Plus on their album "these are the vistas" (2003 columbia records)

but if anyone can think of any others and get references i think it might be worth a quick mention.. or it could be put in the influence on others section.. 89.125.107.20 (talk) 22:13, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

well, there's an entire album of covers by Alarm Will Sound, as well as a cover of come to daddy by Dillinger Escape Plan. but i dunno if it warrants a new section. --Kaini (talk) 00:18, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

I was only listening to Alarm Will Sound when I remembered I posted this here. Perhaps that at least deserves a mention in the influences on others section? That section could probably be tidied anyway. 89.125.106.70 (talk) 21:20, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

I agree, Covers are only relavant in the specific album that they were covered from.

Conkern65 (talk) 17:15, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Rumours

In the "History" section, under "Synthesizers and drum machines: 2004–2008" it says: "Rumours that he may have committed suicide in 1999 remain unproven, thou many suspect this may be true, and that the so called public "Aphex Twin" is just a guy in mask." Since when does wikipedia deal in rumour-mongering? Shouldn't this be removed? Wikipedia is not a tabloid magazine or a fan-forum/BBS. And also, it should say "Though" not "thou" 220.239.181.130 (talk) 23:52, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

I removed it, there's no evidence to suggest this at all, probably just a troll edit. Geshpenst (talk) 04:31, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Stockhausen

Could we please cut out shenanigans like:

Stockhausen influenced Aphex Twin. Fact. It's in the references

All that is referenced explicitly is James having mocked Stockhausen, and even that only once. Could the Stockhausen supporters please cite their sources? And yes, explicitly: with names, date, link and all - the works. Else, it's WP policy to delete what is not sourced, glorious V doing the magic.

Here's James on Stockhausen:

Aphex Twin on “Song Of The Youth”

Mental! I’ve heard that track before, I like it. I didn’t agree with him. I thought he should listen to couple of tracks of mine: Didgeridoo, then he’d stop making abstract, random patterns you can’t dance to. Do you reckon he can dance? You could dance to Song Of The Youth, but it hasn’t got a groove in it, there’s no bassline. I know it was probably made in the 50s, but I’ve got plenty of wicked percussion records made in the 50s that are awesome to dance to. And they’ve got basslines. I could remix it. I don’t know about making it better; I wouldn’t want to make it into a dance version, but I could probably make it a bit more anally technical. But I’m sure he could these days, because tape is really slow. I used to do things like that with tape, but it does take forever, and I’d never do anything like that again with tape. Once you’ve got your computer sorted out, it pisses all over stuff like that, you can do stuff so fast. It has a different sound, but a bit more anal.

I haven’t heard anything new by him; the last thing was a vocal record, Stimmung, and I didn’t really like that. Would I take his comments to heart? The ideal thing would be to meet him in a room and have a wicked discussion. For all I know, he could be taking the piss. It’s a bit hard to have a discussion with someone via other people.

I don’t think I care about what he thinks. It is interesting, but it’s disappointing because you’d imagine he’d say that anyway. It wasn’t anything surprising. I don’t know anything about the guy, but I expected him to have that sort of attitude. Loops are good to dance to…

He should hang out with me any my mates: that would be a laugh. I’d be quite into having him round.

"I don’t think I care about what he thinks", "I don’t know anything about the guy" - no inference at all for Stocky having had influence on James, ok? It certainly doesn't matter that I feel Stockhausen to be an overrated moron, but when James thinks that a "computer [...] pisses all over stuff like that", meaning Stockhausen's taped silliness, it does - righto? Could all the Princes Charming please heed this advice: ridicule is nothing to be scared of! They can? Fine, thank you. --tickle me 17:02, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

This article in The Guardian cites Stockhausen as an influence on Aphex Twin. --Kaini (talk) 17:50, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Hello? One Simon Hattenstone, a "features writer" with a "weekly sports column"(!!), who never had heard of Stockhausen before, never had professional or personal experience with electronical or classical music, engages in humorous banter as the editor designated him as a guinea pig of sorts for the Guardian's "series on 'difficult' art forms", so the slot for a facetious essay can be filled. In the course of this endeavour, he tells of an equally non-descript "Alex Poots", who sends him a CD of electronic music composed by artists he, "Alex Poots" esq., feels to be "influenced by Stockhausen". So, this outweighs James' very own assertion, who doesn't "care what [Stockhausen] thinks", doesn't "know anything about the guy", and likens Stockhausen's clumsy endeavours succinctly to "piss"? Can we please stop being silly? Which eventually means stop cherry-picking from the results of hasty unrelated google-searches? ...to back up Stockhausen's fanboys' notion that their master influenced real musicians, too? The ones with balls and brains? And could we be bothered not to revert disputed edits per WP policy? And *not* to edit until we got verifiable and -hello?!- authoritative sources that outweigh James himself? Once and for all? --tickle me 22:13, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

You are now removing referenced material from a reliable source in order to make the article fit your ideas regarding Aphex and Stockhausen. This is not the way we do things on wiki. To tell the truth, I don't particularly care if Stockhausen is mentioned in the article or not, what I have a problem with is, and I repeat, your removal of referenced material from a reliable source in order to make the article fit your ideas regarding Aphex and Stockhausen. --Kaini (talk) 22:30, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

here's another reference for you, from The Independent. --Kaini (talk) 22:35, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

and another, from an interview with James in The Guardian, Friday October 5, 2001. --Kaini (talk) 23:44, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

It's not enough to quote a reliable source, the source must actually back up a claim. Wikipedia has been touting the Stockhausen/Aphex Twins link for long, and papers copy it: this is disastrous. None of these articles gives any proof of James seeing himself connected in any way to Stockhausen, they exclusively purvey the author's assessments about it. This...

Whereas most white musicians these days are born of the blues and the Beatles, Aphex Twin's lineage is Stockhausen, John Cage, Kraftwerk, Brian Eno and the Detroit techno of Derrick May.

...says: I, the Guardian's author, cited in the non-authoritative and non-reliable source "aphextwin.nu", feel Aphex Twins to be related to Stockhausen et al.

The Independent's E. Dugan, however, does actually purport such nonsense indeed. How can I put it nicely? If James qualifies Stockhausen's efforts as, quote, "piss", unquote, and makes clear that he doesn't "know" him and doesn't "care" about his thoughts, than this is ultimate proof of Ms Dugan copying received wisdom from their peers, who are none the wiser. James makes it quite clear in the only explicit interview available, that he loathes Stockhausen. The interview is copied and linked to above. All sources, at the very best of encyclopedic propriety, can be summed up like this:

Some journalists claim Aphex Twins' music to be influenced by Stockhausen, though Richard D. James denies this in the strongest terms possible, likening his efforts to "piss", asserting that he doesn't know Stockhausen and doesn't care what he thinks.

I edited accordingly. --tickle me 01:25, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

the aphextwin.nu link is a transcription of an earlier article from perfectly reliable source. i can make the cites pretty and quote that source if you like. and they way the article is after your edits, it reads dreadfully and contains WP:WEASEL words. here's an interview with James where he states (after playing at a Stockhausen-centric event in The Barbican) "I’m doing this Stockhausen thing because it will probably be his last gig and I actually just wanted to get tickets. He’s played live a few times recently but only new things and I don’t really like them. They are conceptually amazing but I don’t really like the music. They are probably too advanced or whatever. (laughs) But this time he is playing his first three electronic pieces.

additionally, repeatedly using "aphex twins" in your response is, well, a bit troll-ish to be honest.

how many references must I add to the article before it meets your standards, Tickle me? --Kaini (talk) 01:36, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Let's add more of that quote, right?:

I’m not making a conscious decision to play in these places. I’d rather play in a shit club anyday. I’m doing this Stockhausen thing because it will probably be his last gig and I actually just wanted to get tickets. He’s played live a few times recently but only new things and I don’t really like them. They are conceptually amazing but I don’t really like the music. They are probably too advanced or whatever. (laughs)

What of this supports the idea of Stockhausen having had influence on James?

1. James preffering shit clubs any day?
2. James merely wanting to get tickets?
3. Not really liking the "new things?"
4. Not really liking "the music?"

This is getting out of bounds. Please stop.

> WP:WEASEL words
Indeed, I got carried away - and, hey, James' "piss" drives the point home nicely, doesn't it? --tickle me 03:41, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

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PSF: Any interest in working with interactive systems and components?

I haven't done anything like that but I'm really interested in that sort of stuff. Anything odd or unusual like that. Electro-acoustics like that. A lot of it makes me laugh though because it's kind of like a science lesson with no music. A lot of people forget to make it into music. It's very technical and not very emotional. When it's got the two, then that's when I really like it.

PSF: Anyone in mind when you say that?

At the moment, I suppose it's just my friends who do it and a few old composers. I like the old tape and avant-garde music. I really like Stockhausen's first record. It's awesome. Don't really like much else after that. 'Songs of Youth' is my favorite one. Tod Docstader as well. He's an American (composer) from the '60s, working with tape music. At the moment, I like Luke Vibert. He's doing this tour with me. I love his music. I like Squarepusher as well.

http://www.furious.com/PERFECT/aphextwin.html

Aphex Twin likes some things of Stockhausen but doesn't like other things. Tickle Me, your argument about Aphex Twin not liking Stockhausen is now dead. He likes some things but not others.

Whereas most white musicians these days are born of the blues and the Beatles, Aphex Twin's lineage is Stockhausen, John Cage, Kraftwerk, Brian Eno and the Detroit techno of Derrick May. James takes in his stride the fact that he is now considered as important as these all-time electronic greats. Even having Madonna on the blower didn't faze him. She rang him one day out of the blue at home because she wanted some of his strange magic to rub off on her: cool by proxy. Aphex had other ideas for the mooted collaboration.

You see, it's directly implied here that Aphex Twin is quite relaxed about the fact that his music is influenced by these musicians who include Stockhausen. The word lineage implies the influence behind Aphex Twin's music includes that coming from the listed musicians, including Stockhausen. "James takes in his stride" implies that Aphex Twin is humbled to be considered on the same level as his predecessors. Take a listen to perc#6 or Gwarek2. Sounds similar in style to Stockhausen's Kontakte. The journalist actually talked to Aphex Twin, he didn't get the information from Wikipedia, he got it straight from the horse's mouth.

I don't see any solid argument that Stockhausen should be removed from the list of influences. It's absolutely ridiculous. I'm honestly stunned that it's being challenged. If there are further problems we can sort out the exact wording and references to at least try to satisfy Tickleme. Creating a win-win situation would be best.

"Some journalists claim Aphex Twins' music to be influenced by German composer Karlheinz Stockhausen,[34][35] though Richard D. James denies this, likening the composer's efforts to "piss", asserting that he doesn't know Stockhausen and doesn't care what he thinks.[36]" Well, this claim is not true, as seen by the two references that I have given, therefore I will delete this claim. --[signed User:Gargantuan_Peeder]

"Whereas most white musicians these days are born of the blues and the Beatles, Aphex Twin's lineage is Stockhausen, John Cage, Kraftwerk, Brian Eno and the Detroit techno of Derrick May. James takes in his stride the fact that he is now considered as important as these all-time electronic greats..."[1]

indeed, it could be inferred that one "Paul Lester", having read Wikipedia and copying it for want of better information, feels Aphex Twins to be related by Stockhausen et al. and be proud of it. Unfortunately, all James has to say for himself is, that he

1. likens the composer's efforts to "piss"
2. asserts that he doesn't "know anything about the guy"
3. doesn't care what he thinks.
4. prefering shit clubs any day to playing in Stochhausens behlf
5. doing it merely to get tickets to the barbican
6. doesn't really like the "new things?
7. doesn't really liking "the music?"

whereas in another interview he says that he

1. really like Stockhausen's first record
2. Doesn't really like much else after that

Get it? He "really like Stockhausen's first record" is all that can be added regarding this subject.

Besides, it really would help if one-time one-purpose editors wouldn't pop up anytime this article needs to be defaced in the vain above. cf [2] and [3]. --tickle me 12:15, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

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You claim Paul Lester created the article after reading Wikipedia but the Guardian article was published in 2001. The column title of the article is "The Friday interview". A quote from the headline says "From Limp Bizkit to Madonna, everyone wants to work with the Aphex Twin. But those high-paying jobs aren't important, he tells Paul Lester." The article is based not on Wikipedia, but an interview by Paul Lester with Aphex Twin. Paul Lester directly communicated with Aphex Twin. I would like to point out the status of the Aphex Twin article on Wikipedia in 2001, it is a crude discography of 12 records along with 1 fully formed sentence and a few descriptive phrases, without a mention of Stockhausen. You said "indeed, it could be inferred that one "Paul Lester", having read Wikipedia and copying it for want of better information, feels Aphex Twins to be related by Stockhausen et al. and be proud of it." but that claim is simply not true, as shown by the vast amount of evidence in this paragraph.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Aphex_Twin&oldid=234239

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/stockhausen-enigmatic-maestro-dies-aged-79-763778.html Obituary of Stockhausen: "His unique blend of classical, avant-garde and electronic music propelled him to musical fame in the Fifties, and he has continued to influence a host of musical luminaries, from Miles Davis and Aphex Twin, to Brian Eno and Bjork"

http://www.furious.com/PERFECT/aphextwin.html "I'm really interested in that sort of stuff. Anything odd or unusual like that. Electro-acoustics like that. A lot of it makes me laugh though because it's kind of like a science lesson with no music. A lot of people forget to make it into music. It's very technical and not very emotional. When it's got the two, then that's when I really like it.

PSF: Anyone in mind when you say that?

At the moment, I suppose it's just my friends who do it and a few old composers. I like the old tape and avant-garde music. I really like Stockhausen's first record. It's awesome. Don't really like much else after that. 'Songs of Youth' is my favorite one. Tod Docstader as well. He's an American (composer) from the '60s, working with tape music. At the moment, I like Luke Vibert. He's doing this tour with me. I love his music. I like Squarepusher as well."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2001/oct/06/2 "He sends me a CD of electronic music composed by artists influenced by Stockhausen - Orbital, William Orbit, Talvin Singh, Bjork, Aphex Twin."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/culture/2001/oct/05/artsfeatures3 "Aphex Twin's lineage is Stockhausen, John Cage, Kraftwerk, Brian Eno and the Detroit techno of Derrick May. James takes in his stride the fact that he is now considered as important as these all-time electronic greats. "

As refuted above, this was taken from an interview article where the journalist communicated directly with Aphex Twin. It was not created using Wikipedia because the Wikipedia page of the time barely featured more than one sentence, notwithstanding absolutely no mention of Stockhausen at the time.

I'd like to refute numbered point 1:

     " 1. likens the composer's efforts to "piss" 

Where?

"Once you’ve got your computer sorted out, it pisses all over stuff like that, you can do stuff so fast. It has a different sound, but a bit more anal."

Aphex Twin is bragging about his computer, not criticising Stockhausen with the word piss.

"Would I take his comments to heart? The ideal thing would be to meet him in a room and have a wicked discussion. For all I know, he could be taking the piss. It’s a bit hard to have a discussion with someone via other people."

He's wondering if Stockhausen's criticism of Aphex Twin was fully serious or not.

http://www.aphextwin.nu/images/interviewsarticles/afx_interview_by_heiko.pdf

I had a look through this source about the Barbican gig but there is no mention of Aphex Twin likening Stockhausen's music to "piss".

Some journalists claim Aphex Twins' music to be influenced by German composer Karlheinz Stockhausen,[34][35] though Richard D. James denies this, likening the composer's efforts to "piss", asserting that he doesn't know Stockhausen and doesn't care what he thinks.[36]

There is no reference of Aphex Twin denying that Stockhausen is an influence on him. There is no evidence of him saying that the newspaper articles are untrue. Aphex Twin didn't liken Stockhausen's efforts to piss, and the reference that you're using to make that claim doesn't contain the claim.

Whether Aphex Twin personally knew Stockhausen or not is irrelevant to whether he was influenced by some of his music or not. Aphex Twin said he didn't care what Stockhausen though, but let's put this into context, this article is from 1995, while the others are from 2001 and after.

Tickleme, it takes a lot of effort to refute all of your claims, but I have demonstrated quite comfortably that most of your claims are untrue, backed up by references. I believe the effort that I am putting in is out of proportion to what has happened: you deleting the word "stockhausen" out of the influences section.

Anyone can edit wikipedia, that's why it's awesome. What matters is whether the people involved are trying to improve the encyclopaedia by telling the truth and backing it up with good sources. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gargantuan Peeder (talk • contribs) 13:22, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

what really bothers me about this dispute is that tickle me doesn't really seem to have any interest in Richard James, but rather seems to have a problem with Stockhausen. this attempt to introduce a subtle bias into wiki is a more insidious thing than straight-up vandalism, and it's the sort of thing that makes me very disillusioned with wiki sometimes :( --Kaini (talk) 14:56, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Stockausen II

" ... But I’m sure he could these days, because tape is really slow. I used to do things like that with tape, but it does take forever, and I’d never do anything like that again with tape. Once you’ve got your computer sorted out, it pisses all over stuff like that, you can do stuff so fast. It has a different sound, but a bit more anal."

Some English semantics for beginners from a non-native speaker: "he" refers to Stockhausen - "things like that," "anything like that," and "stuff like that" a computer "pisses all over" refers to Stockhausen's "stuff." "stuff" Stockhausen did with tape, which James feels to be a bad idea, as he prefers computers, because with it "you can do stuff so fast."

> There is no reference of Aphex Twin denying that Stockhausen is an influence on him
There's no evidence of Aphex Twin denying to peddle crack, either .

> There is no evidence of him saying that the newspaper articles are untrue
There's no evidence to the contrary, either, but many instances of James mocking Stockhausen, his work, and his procedures, making it highly unlikely that James feels S. to have had influence on him. We simply won't write anything that can't be proven. Cut it out. And please, stop arguing by attrition, bizarro logic, and sock- pupettry to circumvent policy. --tickle me 22:22, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

what "pisses all over" refers to is the process. he's saying that the process of making concréte type stuff is made much easier by having access to things like wave editors and sequencers. i get the feeling that you should learn a bit more about the article you're editing, and james' frequent use of colloquialisms, particularly london ones ('lush' is another favourite of his, used to describe things that are good, for example). as to your accusations of sockpuppetry, it's frankly offensive. feel free to get a mod to checkuser. i'm about a hair's breadth (that's a colloquialism) from escalating this anyway --Kaini (talk) 22:31, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

There's enough evidence and references to back up having the word "Stockhausen" in the list of influences. I suggest getting Administrator attention, as I believe Tickleme will keep removing "Stockhausen" regardless of the evidence and good references. Tickle me is adding some heavily biased version of quotes to the Stockhausen VS the Technocrats section, which is the totally wrong section. What he is trying to add should go in the influences section, and the sentence that he is trying to add drips of bias, as he is twisting the source and chopping it up and presenting it to support his personal opinion. 1995 was when Aphex Twin was getting into computers. 2001 is when he peaked with laptops and then he got into tape for recording Analord. People's opinions, tastes, methods, and influences change as they grow up. It's a shame that Tickle me hasn't realised this because he is creating a lot of work for other people that is truly a waste of time.

> it pisses all over stuff like that

subject: it [the computer]

predicate: pisses

object: stuff [that Stockhausen does with tape]

"concréte type stuff" - if one so likes to heighten discourse with buzzwords.

> escalating

Please do. --tickle me 22:39, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

the situation at present-

there is a small amount of primary-source stuff (interviews from around the time of the release of drukqs, and the stockhausen gig in 2000) which would suggest james would count stockhausen as an influence.

there is LOTS of secondary evidence (articles and editorial matter) to suggest the same thing.

your evidence to the contrary is one article from 1995 which you are misinterpeting, or twisting the semantics of, to suggest the opposite.

i'm inviting further opinion on this argument. you honestly need to get real. --Kaini (talk) 22:42, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

> further opinion

That's talking - but: will funny, ugh, editors please abstain? Admins welcome. Another good idea: add quotes by James on Stockhausen having had influence on him, and let the readers judge by themselves - sound & basic WP policy. But: please don't plaster the place, instead reduce, shorten, and put what he says in a nutshell.--tickle me 23:12, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

> What he is trying to add should go in the influences section

Indeed, even funny editors have good ideas sometimes. I complied, and, to add icing to the cake, added {{Refimprovesect}} to the "Influences" section. Presently it's just unsubstantiated name dropping. No artist at all should be named as influence, unless sources say so, particularly James himself. And no, I don't mean press blurb by guys with, say, a "weekly sports column" needing to fill some lines. Can we please stick to known experts who make a case for their assertions, wouldn't that be a good idea, too? Anyway, we're getting somewhere. --tickle me 19:02, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

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"Paul Lester is a freelance music journalist who has been contributing to the Guardian for most of this century. Among other things, he writes the New Band Of The Day feature for Guardian Unlimited Music."

http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/arts/author/paul_lester/profile.html

Tickleme, you realise that you are creating a lot of pointless work for other editors? You realise that the biggest claims that you have made have been demonstrated to be wrong with references?

Paul Lester wrote the following quote, and he is an experienced music journalist who interviewed Aphex Twin directly. As proven above, he did not copy this claim from Wikipedia as the Wikipedia article of 2001 was a few sentences! The following quote is more than enough evidence to support having Stockhausen in the list of influences, so please stop removing it.

Whereas most white musicians these days are born of the blues and the Beatles, Aphex Twin's lineage is Stockhausen, John Cage, Kraftwerk, Brian Eno and the Detroit techno of Derrick May. James takes in his stride the fact that he is now considered as important as these all-time electronic greats. Even having Madonna on the blower didn't faze him.

It's just my Original Idea, but.., I think To Cure A Weakling Child, Contour Regard (on the Come to Daddy EP) is a reference of Aphex Twin to Gesang der Jünglinge by Stockhausen.Biggiesmartypants (talk) 22:39, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

RfC on the Stockhausen/Aphex dispute

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

all editors who participated were of at least the conclusion that even if Richard James doesn't like much Stockausen bar Song of the children, he has been cited as an influence on Aphex Twin (and, as an aside, most of the time secondary sources are more desirable than primary ones) - and therefore deserves inclusion in the Influences section of the article.

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Does Stockhausen deserve mention as an influence of Aphex Twin?

• My two cents: It looks to me like Stockhausen was indeed in some way an influence on Aphex Twin. Even if RDJ doesn't like Stockhausen's music, that doesn't exclude him from being an influence. The fact that there are multiple sources claiming Stockhausen as an influence is good enough for me. Again RDJ doesn't say that Stockhausen isn't an influence, he just pokes fun at him. Heck, I could name a few sucky artists that have influenced my music. Also, I really don't think an RFC is necessary. Wickethewok (talk) 14:56, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

i agree that RfC mayy possibly be overkill, but i have a feeling that tickle me will not give this up without a proper and definitive consensus, so might as well cut to the chase. --Kaini (talk) 02:26, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

• Mostly I agree with Wicket. All that stuff about RDJ not liking Stockhausen's music after his first record seems to be true, but all the sources are saying is that he was influenced by Stockhausen, not that he was necessarily a fan. And heck, if RDJ has strong opinions on Stockhausen's music then it certainly would seem that way, no? - filelakeshoe 13:18, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
• my feelings on this matter are made very clear in the two sections preceding this one. tickle me seems to have disappeared, so i'm giving the RfC one week in case any other parties care to comment, then i'm closing it. --Kaini (talk) 00:36, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Electronic music genre

Please, Electronic music is too broad to have listed as a genre. It needs to be more detailed, like whether it is IDM, ambient, etc. etc. {Tim C} 08:35, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

i'd encourage you to have a read of the talk archive. the use of the term IDM and the corresponding cat has been the source of much wailing and gnashing of teeth in the past. --Kaini (talk) 23:24, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Electronic music fits it. Richard's music is too diverse to be caged in only one sub-genre like IDM. Show me s.o. dancing to let's say "Bucephalus Bouncing Ball". Is "Come To Daddy" IDM? Or "Windowlicker"? What about "Milkman"? --Say Headcheese!--hexaChord² 19:48, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Aphex Twin's career is defined by his exploration of electronic music. "I.D.M" is Aphex Twin's career processed through the minds of American internet geeks and sprayed onto the internet. Aphex Twin is a British artist so the article should represent the original British interpretation of his career (electronic music) as evidenced by over 20 sources from the world's print journalism. American misconceptions as evidenced by the American fan site (www.watmm.com) and the American "IDM list", and pathetic blog sites should be removed or played down. In conclusion Aphex Twin = electronic music. Editors should defend against accidental vandalisms by ignorant American editors and fanboys who frequent the American fanboy websites. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Flamingpikey (talk • contribs) 11:44, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Electronic music is a precise and accurate descriptor. Time would be better spent proving the with sources the claims made in the article to stop trolls from causing disruption. Tonyfey (talk) 16:09, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Grew up in Lanner?

Is this actually sourced? I am pretty sure his family home is is in Carharrack. I've forgotten his parents' first names but pretty sure they are listed in the phone book as Carharrack. Anyway, if Lanner isn't sourced it should be removed (from here and the Lanner article) for now I think. Kernow (talk) 18:12, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

I don't know about his childhood but he's confirmed that the house he was living with his parents in during his teenage years (the one he left when he finally moved out on his own) was 36 Clissold Cresent in Lanner, England. He even used his address as a song title ("36 Clissold Cresent, Above the Kitchen" was one of his soundcloud songs). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.68.125.182 (talk) 03:18, 26 June 2015 (UTC)

awards?

he probably hasn't won any grammy's but i was surprised to see no mention of awards in this otherwise comprehensive article. a section on awards and accolates might be appropriate? Roadnottaken (talk) 23:40, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Do you know of any off-hand? If so, feel free to add it to the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.114.226.227 (talk) 01:15, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

rare artical. where to download??

1991-XX-XX - New Music Express - Material World 1992-XX-XX - New Music Express - Doin' The Digeridoo 1992-XX-XX - Sounds Music Weekly - Double Trouble 1993-01-XX - Melody Maker 1993-03-XX - Zine - Twin Peaks - by John Pavely 1993-04-XX - Future Music - The Aphex Effect 1993-06-05 - NME - Trapezer Good 1993-09-20 - Trance Express Europe CD booklet 1993-11-27 - Melody Maker 1993-12-XX - Melody Maker's Push talks to Aphex Twin... 1993-XX-XX - Interview With Richard D. James - by Bob Gourley 1993-XX-XX - Man, Machine, Music - Paint It Red - by Tim Johnson 1993-XX-XX - Melody Maker - The Six Lives Of Richard D. James

http://forum.watmm.com/index.php?showtopic=4785

link dont working —Preceding unsigned comment added by BlackmanRaheem21 (talk • contribs) 14:34, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Last Step - a Aphex Twin Venetian Snares collab ?

Soundwise and by the look of the artwork it looks like it especially "Your'e a nice girl"(http://planet-mu.com/discography/ZIQ129) which has the Aphex Twin logo. Does anybody have some hard evidence or info ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.55.76.229 (talk) 20:16, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

firstly, that's not the aphex logo, secondly, it's pure WP:OR. last step sounds like aaron trying to ape the analogue sounds of analord. in 7/8. --Kaini (talk) 20:19, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

OK - so there is no evidence of any connection. Then just leave it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.55.76.229 (talk) 20:35, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Doesnt sound anything like aphex twin, RDJ has said he doesnt like Vsnares that much anyway. --66.158.232.98 (talk) 18:37, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Source please - 122.106.163.229 (talk) 08:01, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Why should he provide a source for a trivial conversation on a talk page? ≤ ^alvareo [speak to me] ≥ 16:48, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

rdj begged af to release his music on rephlex. BEGGED. af said no but they were still e-mail bum chums years ago, dunno about today. source is my fat ass. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.3.221.163 (talk) 21:02, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Antiques Roadshow appearance

yes, it's obviously richard (although without a reference that matters not). however, does it deserve a section in an article on wikipedia? no. even if it passed WP:V, WP:N would lean toward it deserving - at the very most - possibly a line in the article. deleted content below:

Shortly after the airing of the 2nd episode of the 32th series of Antiques Roadshow, rumours surfaced that James was in attendence and visible during the inspection of an Edison Electron Gramaphone. This was notable due to his reportedly reclusive nature and apparent lack of concern at being filmed (however briefly).

The same day Grant Wilson-Claridge confirmed reports stating that "We had been in the North making preparations for a Manchester show. He heard about it and wanted to look into buying a Wurlitzer but ended up trying to buy Donald Bradman's autograph". He also expressed surprise that fans had noticed this so quickly given the obscurity of the program.

Kaini (talk) 23:23, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Wrong Attribution? Fabricated info?

in: Advice from Aphex Twin

Future Music: What pisses you off about the current music scene?
Aphex Twin: Too many sheep and not enough shepherds. Let's all sit back and have a long hard think, then make something different! We can all do it, surely?[37]

It references http://www.furious.com/perfect/aphextwin.html, however, there is no mention of this quote. I looked on the internet archive: http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.furious.com/perfect/aphextwin.html, and I didn't see it there either. I also search google and couldn't find any reputable sources of the quote. It appears the quote originates from Wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Revil (talk • contribs) 03:16, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

future music 2005 (2005?) interview —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.3.221.163 (talk) 20:52, 25 November 2009 (UTC) http://musicthing.blogspot.com/2006/07/aphex-twin-interview-in-future-music.html evidence for the article's existence. whats the wiki policy regarding print magazine sources? does it need to be scanned and uploaded to wiki? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.3.221.163 (talk) 20:58, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

I think as long as the magazine is sourced properly, it should be fine. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Revil (talk • contribs) 20:00, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

2001 lost Mp3 player

Why on earh someone would label his mp3 player "Unreleased Aphex twin tracks"? It makes no sense at all this is in main article —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.13.192.235 (talk) 07:20, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

what matters is what aphex said. readers can make their own mind up as to whether it's bullshit or not. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.3.221.163 (talk) 21:00, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

actually the [20] reference says it's a bullshit —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.13.225.158 (talk) 21:07, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

"The release of Drukqs two years ago was prompted by a mistake. James left an MP3 player on a plane that held a mind-boggling 282 new tracks. It was labelled "Aphex Twin Unreleased Tracks" to make any would-be bootleggers quite sure that what they might post on to the internet was the real deal. This never happened, but James hurriedly put together a double CD just in case. "

The posting to the internet of Aphex Twin's mp3 tracks is what never happened. The source doesn't make any claim of bullshit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.13.159.216 (talk) 04:47, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

self-promotion vandalism

"Hard Jam Ciders" is a pseudonym? lol. i'd do it myself but the page is protected —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.170.119.219 (talk) 22:23, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Irish/British EDIT WAR

Please let's stop this STUPID and COUNTERPRODUCTIVE edit war. The article explains that he was born in Ireland, grew up in Cornwall and has lived in London for years. I'm not aware of any statements by him about Irish independence or anything like that. Just let the reader decide for themselves. We really don't care how much some editor hates England or whatever. Doctorx0079 (talk) 21:10, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

i could not agree more, and if i see consensus i'm going to add an invisible comment to the article to that effect (not that it's done any good in the past *sigh*) --Kaini (talk) 21:21, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

My friend's son was born in China but has British nationality and carries a British passport. He is not Chinese. I can think of many British celebrities who were not born in the UK. Joanna Lumley, and Spike Milligan for a start. Ian Hislop was born in Wales, but he's not a Welshman. I agree with the two users above. By the way, there isn't actually a decent source that proves that Richard James was born in Ireland. Yawn. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Leprachaun2010 (talk • contribs) 07:11, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Considering that Chinese and Irish nationality laws are completely different, your comparison is a waste of time. 130.235.100.25 (talk) 13:12, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

It seems to have started up again, sadly. Given his mix of Welsh and Cornish heritage, time served in London and reported current residence in Scotland, 'British' seems the only sensible descriptor of nationality. The whole Irish thing is an obvious red herring - although Richard seems to write enjoy those, to be fair... Garibaldi do Biscotti (talk) 10:41, 19 February 2015 (UTC)\

He is an Irish citizen automatically since birth according to Irish nationality law, unless you can show that he has given up his Irish nationality. Wales, Cornwall, London and Scotland are all in the UK (i.e. British), yes, but the Republic of Ireland is not. Seeing as he holds both British and Irish citizenship, "British-Irish" is the factually correct description. Obviously that's not the consensus view on here, but consensus opinion is not always correct. 19:11, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

Disgusting Vandalism

Ugly vandalism, not maintenance template. Write the lead longer if you care that much. Do you realise that there is a INFOBOX full of information that would go in the lead? So what do you say, have the lead and infobox as the EXACT same information? What nonsense. Only a thick Marxist brain could suggest such an unintelligent opinion and back it up with the force of anti-intellectual moderation policy. Pathetic scumbag criminal people. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.157.157.64 (talk) 08:34, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

firstly, please remain civil. secondly, calm down; you're talking about 2cm of screen real estate and getting this worked up over it is ridiculous. finally, why not be bold and improve the lead yourself, if you have such a problem with the template? --Kaini (talk) 11:22, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

A brief moment of thought will suggest that since you are going against the policies of the Wiki, and apparently care enough to personally attack people, it makes more sense for you to expand the lead. Some guy (talk) 12:37, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

"Do you realise that there is a INFOBOX full of information that would go in the lead? So what do you say, have the lead and infobox as the EXACT same information? What nonsense." Why does it make sense for me to edit the lead because I don't believe there is worthwhile information to enter there? In fact, the opposite is the case. In fact, Aeternus, Kaini, Some guy should enter the information or remove the vandalism. Hohoho, you will leave a maintanence box for 5 years rather than add the informations yourself that you claim is necessary, while you put the responsibility to the man who doesn't understand what information could even be added there! Why do brainless moderators have the power when they have no mind no brain no intelligence? Criminals —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.157.157.64 (talk) 20:39, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Fan site

I removed the newly added fan site from the external links section of the article, because our guidelines on external links expressly states that such sites should not be added to articles. The section titled Links normally to be avoided, it states, "Links to blogs, personal web pages and most fansites, except those written by a recognized authority. (This exception for blogs, etc, controlled by recognized authorities is meant to be very limited; as a minimum standard, recognized authorities always meet Wikipedia's notability criteria for people.)" While guidelines are, of course, flexible, I have never known an exception to be made for fansites of musicians. That link definitely does not belong on Wikipedia. Qwyrxian (talk) 11:18, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

useful forum. policy isnt strict. should make exseption + keep. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.68.192.193 (talk) 09:51, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Why would we make an exception for that one specific musical artist? Every artist has a fan page, some of which are as good or better than the artist's own page from a web design perspective. Why should we make an exception in this case? It can't be just because it's "useful"--by definition, fan sites are always useful to fans. That's not enough of a reason. Qwyrxian (talk) 11:08, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

forum.watmm.com and xltronic.com belong in the links. aphextwin.info looks promising but doesnt have many users. get more users or relevant content such as exclusive interviews then you can add it —Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.170.210.82 (talk) 04:03, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

You haven't explained why these forums are somehow an exception to a very widely recognized and accepted guideline. I remove fan sites on every music, musician, actor, or tv show page I see them on, because the guideline is extremely clear. I've never once seen a successful defense for a fan site. Thus, you need to provide an extraordinary rationale why this should override our normal behavior. Qwyrxian (talk) 05:45, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

beatles have none. sex pistols have two or three. the guideline is only a guide not a firm rule. consensus on invidual talk pages is the best route. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.173.15.21 (talk) 16:34, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

No. Editors on individual articles cannot override guidelines or policies. For example, editors on a page can't decide, "Eh, we don't need NPOV, because this person is obviously evil, so we can write anything we want." Exceptions need to have a clear, specific reason for being overridden. Think about it in this case--if editors at pages could choose to add fan pages, what musician's page would be without them? So, again, please provide a reason why we should violate not only the guideline, but also widespread practice. As a side note, thanks for mention Sex Pistols--I'll go remove the fan sites there as well. Qwyrxian (talk) 22:01, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

one of the existing discography links was to aphextwin.nu (the previous name of xlt) - i've removed that, as well as another external link. we definitely don't need three links to discographies, when the entire discog is more or less replicated internally. it doesn't add any value to the article. Kaini (talk) 00:34, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Odd redirect

Why does Karen Tregaskin = ? Redirect here? Conkern65 (talk) 04:52, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

karen tregaskin is listed as half of The Tuss, which is an RDJ alias. Kaini (talk) 16:46, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

That is a theory. I deleted the page nonetheless.

Conkern65 (talk) 15:49, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

it's not a theory, it's a fact. BMI entries like that one list who the royalties go to for a track. Kaini (talk) 15:56, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

infobox

I think that parts of the introduction, i.e. labels and aliases, should be contained in the infobox. It could be contained in both, but priority would be infobox. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.29.92.9 (talk) 08:07, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Phlegm EP

I keep reading About this EP, which I can find no evidence of. http://www.aphextwin.nu/learn/98136141045227.shtml http://www.answers.com/topic/james-richards both contain this. ? Conkern65 (talk) 17:32, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Early Years

"Richard David James was born to Welsh parents Lorna and Derek James in St. Munchin's Limerick Regional Maternity Hospital, Ireland." Is there any evidence or source for this? I have hearsay that this is hearsay. Robin726 (talk) 04:45, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Which part are you concerned about? Here's a book reference for Limerick. I'm pretty sure those are his parents' names, and they might be listed in one of his albums liner notes somewhere. I'll check that later. —Torchiest ^talk_edits 18:42, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

His parents are mentioned by name in a couple of tracks from Druqks. -- Doctorx0079 (talk) 22:18, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, that's exactly the album I was thinking of. —Torchiest ^talk_edits 23:09, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

1985-present

What qualifies as still presently being a musician? He hasn't released an album under a confirmed Moniker since Chosen Lords. He still tours, but I am not sure if we should change that or not? Conkern65 (talk) 01:12, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

I would say Aphex Twin is synonymous with Richard D. James, and as long as he is making music under any moniker, he is still active. Unless there was some official announcement that he had retired the name or something, it would be original research to try to guess at when he was no longer active. If he's still touring, I'd definitely count that as active. —Torchiest ^talk_edits 05:03, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

The Aphex Twin name

The section about Aphex' name claims that the Aphex portion of the name is derived from Aphex Systems Limited. However, official unofficial aphex twin faq (section A:2) has a different opinion and quotes a printed magazine source:

The "Aphex" in Aphex Twin is actually a registered trademark of Aphex Systems, Ltd. a manufacturer of pro audio and broadcast sound processing products (most well-known for their Aural Exciter). Some recent releases include the line "Aphex is a registered trademark of Aphex Systems Ltd and is used by permission" somewhere on the package. But, according to the February 13, 1993 issue of NME:
"Richard came across the word by accident, using the 'A' in Aphex for the acid element in his sound, and the 'ph' as the pH value of acid. He hadn't even heard of an Aural Exciter until he'd had a few records out. He is, let's face it, the last person who'd name himself after a piece of gear made by somebody else: he was constructing his own synthesisers at 13."

However, even if this source is deemed unreliable, the claim that the name comes from the hardware company is still unsubstantiated and probably an inference from the fact that the name is used with permission. I think the claim should either be changed or thrown out completely. Nitro2k01 (talk) 21:40, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

I always thought he was merging the words "Effects" and "Apex" (which means the same as pinnacle). The Apex of Effects as it were. Not that I ever heard that from any source, it just seemed blatantly obvious etymology. Probably where Aphex Systems got the word from. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.68.142.54 (talk) 03:52, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

Genres

So, Richard has made numerous genre's of music, and I have noticed that it keeps getting changed, I think we need to agree on a series of Genre's that encompass his music production. I know hem refused the Term IDM and prefers his Braindance, but other then that, Ambient, and Experimental are definatly important. is there anything else? Conkern65 (talk) 21:35, 6 January 2012 (UTC) IDM shouldn't be there at all. It is a false genre made and spread by American fans. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.183.34.71 (talk) 09:36, 29 August 2012 (UTC) Personally I have always used the more general genre of "Electronic" (which is how a record store would file it) rather than bothering to think of sub-genres. If he stuck to a single sub-genre it would be different but so long as an artist actively explores different sub-genres on every album I prefer to be general about the genre. His next release will just add more to the pile of sub-genres anyway. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.68.125.182 (talk) 03:34, 26 June 2015 (UTC)

irish, english, british, cornish

are we talking nationality here, as in what goes on someones passport? in that case then then answer is british. though irish-born, this fact has little relevance to the well known musician aphex twin's career and thus has no relevance in the lead paragraph. cornwall seems to have more of an influence as track names and some artwork are based on cornish language, beaches and culture. i say, keep "irish-born" out of the lead as it is not very relevant drive-by vandalism. cornish has a stronger case to be made but there is enough room in the detail of the article to discover this fact. british is the guy's nationality therefore it is relevant to the lead so that people know aphex twin isn't from china or the north pole or argentina. can we get some consensus here to stop this continual vandalism? - Mr Self Parody — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.186.135.82 (talk) 14:58, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Cornwall is not an independent nation with its own citizenship/nationality. Britain (i.e., the UK) and Ireland are both independent nations, both with their own citizenship and both with their own passports. He has both citizenships, because anyone born in Ireland before 2004 is automatically an Irish citizen and both the UK and Ireland permit dual citizenship. It never ceases to amaze me how difficult it is for many people on Wikipedia to comprehend that a person can hold dual citizenhip. Due to population statistics, there are far more British people on Wikipedia than Irish people, and many of the former go around Wikipedia removing the dual citizenships from many famous people who hold dual Irish and British nationality. 130.235.100.25 (talk) 14:46, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Per WP:OPENPARA, "Irish-born" should be removed from the lead. Although it's likely RDJ had an Irish passport, it mentions "previous nationalities or the country of birth should not be mentioned in the opening sentence unless they are relevant to the subject's notability." And I'd be inclined to keep British as his nationality; sure, it's generalising but unless there's a reliable source where he identifies as English or Cornish, it's best to keep it "British." Idiotchalk _(t@lk) 16:16, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Makes sense, Idiotchalk. I like that signature... Lighthead...KILLS!! 07:05, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

There isn't a good source for the Irish-born thing in the first place. If there is, please reveal it. I'd bet it was a typographical error in a magazine that has been accidentally spread as truth by wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.183.34.71 (talk) 09:35, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Speaking from personal experience, huh? Let me take a look. Lighthead ^þ 23:41, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

He's right. There's nothing solid from any interview or anything saying that he's Irish, much less from Limerick. I straightened out the intro. Lighthead ^þ 23:57, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

Except for the fact that he was born in Ireland before 2004 and is therefore, as defined by the law of the Republic of Ireland, automatically an Irish citizen since birth. But don't let facts get in the way, this is only an encyclopaedia after all. Since he is automatically entitled to Irish citizenship since birth, the burden of proof falls on those who don't think he should be listed as Irish in the article: i.e., find me an interview where he specifically mentions that he renounced his Irish citizenship. Until such proof is found, the correct way to describe the person in the article is as "British-Irish", because those are the two nationalities he holds. 130.235.100.25 (talk) 14:49, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Find me a source (that doesn't reference wikipedia) that says he's Irish. Go on. On Wikipedia, we back up our facts with sources. I know he's Irish (and I'm from Limerick), but we need a source. Kaini (talk) 16:14, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

He was born in Ireland before 2004 so holds Irish citizenship. My source is the nationality law of the Republic of Ireland. 130.235.100.157 (talk) 12:59, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

You need to find reliable proof that he was. An article in a music journal or a newspaper, for example. Kaini (talk) 17:20, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

I have changed it to read "England-based" to avoid an inaccuracy in the Lead, even though Limerick is in the Infobox. How does this sit with people?--Soulparadox (talk) 04:02, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Why are some people so keen on associating RDJ with Ireland anyway?? I doubt very many Irish people care about him. He isn't THAT famous and probably never will be. His roots in Cornwall are much more relevant to his music. The impression I get is that some editors are going around with an "up with Ireland" mentality. I wish they would stay out of this article. -- Doctorx0079 (talk) 14:17, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

I don't think it has anything to do with an "up with Ireland" mentality. If any lawyer or civil servant were tp follow the nationality laws of both Ireland and the UK, then they would very quickly come to the conclusion that RDJ holds dual nationality. The problem is that the majority of people in the world (and on Wikipedia), were born and lived in the same country for their whole life. And, unfortunately, many of these people simply cannot grasp the concept of multiple nationalities. Therefore, there is an element on Wikipedia who insist on assigning a single nationality to persons. In this case, it involves constantly reverting RDJ's nationality back to a single nationality. 130.235.100.25 (talk) 13:19, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

I went to the General Register Office in Ireland. He wasn't born here. I checked from 1968-72. See the new entry below I added specifically about birthplace. We have a possible in Truro, Cornwall but need help to investigate https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVWN-GPQH Jclarity (talk) 11:25, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

If it helps Richard's date of birth is August 18th 1971. It's why he changed the name of his Soundcloud account to "user18081971" (18-08-1971). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.68.125.182 (talk) 03:39, 26 June 2015 (UTC)

The Aphex Twin has spoken: http://www.irishtimes.com/blogs/ontherecord/2015/01/14/the-aphex-twin-has-spoken/ 82.171.253.241 (talk) 19:14, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

Computer generated

What exactly is a 'computer-generated acid line' ?

Does this mean that his computer wrote the acid line by itself? Because computers don't work that way...

I think that many people feel that to make electronic music, you just turn on your computer. Dispelling this notion would be a good idea, in my opinion.Michaelphonic (talk) 04:40, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Perhaps it refers to algorithmic music. Jarble (talk) 02:29, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

it's quite possible it's there to distinguish it from, say, an acid line made by a TB-303 which is the usual bit of kit used to make acidy sounds. Kaini (talk) 13:14, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

I'd be very surprised if he made his acid sounds on anything as notorious as a TB-303. He's reputed to be a very skilled programmer. I think Kaini and Jarble mean to say that he's gone beyond just analog instruments to a certain extent. Lighthead ^þ 23:38, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

Hi, you can change that line. What wiki articles need is exciting english prose, and that's policy. We have to take care that the interesting language is factual too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.47.191.62 (talk) 08:07, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

Article title change?

Although James is best known for his Aphex Twin work, he has also been creative under numerous monikers and I am wondering if we should swap the redirect and the article title, so that it is an article about "Richard D. James", which is more all-encompassing than "Aphex Twin". I cannot think of an accurate comparison at the moment, but, for example, Roddy Frame and Aztec Camera are two separate articles, even though Frame was the sole member of the band for most of its existence. I am not suggesting two separate articles, but, as James is an artist who is more expansive than the "Aphex Twin" moniker, the change may be warranted at this point in time.--Soulparadox (talk) 04:08, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Reconstruction Album

At the bottom of the page under the unreleased albums section there is something called "Reconstruction". I've never heard of this and want to know if "Reconstruction" has even been confirmed to be the work of Aphex Twin? If not should't it be removed? 2604:2000:FFC0:1F9:4BE:10F9:EAC4:E40D (talk) 08:58, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Aphex Twin

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Aphex Twin's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "Amy":

• From Crowdfunding: Amy Phillips (19 September 2012). "Amanda Palmer Starts Paying Musicians". Pitchfork. Pitchfork Media. Retrieved 19 May 2014.
• From Syro: Amy Phillips (21 August 2014). "Aphex Twin Reveals Amazing SYRO Album Artwork and Bio". Pitchfork. Pitchfork Media. Retrieved 22 August 2014.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 10:48, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Birthplace

As he was nominated for Choice Prize in Ireland, myself and friends have been researching his nationality deeply. Today I went to the national archive and found no evidence of him born in Ireland at all from 1968-72. Have photographic proof.Jclarity (talk) 00:44, 10 January 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jclarity (talk • contribs) 00:38, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

Where does this leave us? Does it invalidate him from the award? Regards,--Soulparadox (talk) 03:28, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

Award organisers have been contacted .Jclarity (talk) 05:15, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

Considering this is a possible BLP issue, has proven to be contentious and lacked any reference in the text or infobox, it should not be included again unless verified. Karst (talk) 09:59, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

It would be great if we could get a volunteer in Cornwall to do what I've done with the physical records there. In our research in free BDM databases we have found a Richard Leigh James born in Truro, Cornwall in 1971. Mother's name Hancock. https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVWN-GPQH Jclarity (talk) 10:34, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

Oxford University Press say he was born in Truro, Cornwall. http://oxfordindex.oup.com/view/10.1093/gmo/9781561592630.article.47229 Bodrugan (talk) 16:31, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Hooray for a well-respected, reliable, objective source! --Akhenaten0 (talk) 19:56, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

There is no evidence that Aphex Twin was born in Ireland. I believe the original document pointing out Richard's ancestry as Irish was a compilation of other people's interviews. The man who wrote the document had never even met Richard James before. If you have the evidence that Aphex Twin is Irish then please provide it so we can have a looksy. Until that time, please visit youtube and watch the video of a song called 'There's no one as Irish as Barack Obama' to get a sense of the Celtic sense of humour that has affected this Wikipedia article.

Richard David James was born on August 18th 1971 to mother Lorna James (no idea what her maiden name is). His father is Derek James (which is why the drukqs track of his parents singing him happy birthday on his answering machine is titled "lornaderek"). I couldn't tell you what country the birth took place in, but narrowing it down that much can probably help your search. His birthdate is the reason his current Soundcloud account name is "user18081971" (18-08-1971). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.68.125.182 (talk) 03:49, 26 June 2015 (UTC)

IDM is a FAKE genre

IDM was a massive fraud perpetuated on the public by an American gang at the Hyper Real website and IDM list. There are American websites that have graffiti scribbled their American garbage ideology onto British electronic music. IDM was denigrated and attacked by Aphex Twin, Mike P, and Luke Vibert. But some trolls have gone through the main article removing references and quotes from Aphex Twin's friends regarding this false genre name. Clearly, the trolls have used Wikipedia in order to promote this fan created genre name. It is associated with websites such as WATMM and XLTRONIC nowadays. Anyone with the slightest bit of decency should do the right thing and keep IDM out of the Aphex Twin article. What a fraud on the public! — Preceding unsigned comment added by MoideredByDaUkGuv (talk • contribs) 08:04, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

Discography (the abridged one on the main page)

The criteria for what gets cut out of the abridged discography seems to not make sense. Personally I hate that a 40 disc discography is cut down to 12 or so things but I can understand leaving eps out (even if I disagree with it). But the policy on compilation albums seems to be leaving some albums out while including others (Ventolin isn't included, Caustic Window Compliation is). I'm making changes now to include ALL full length albums. Of course the regulars should feel free to make changes to my changes, just make sure any rules you follow in doing so are applied equally. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.68.125.182 (talk) 04:02, 26 June 2015 (UTC)

Since someone decided to undo the changes based on mistaken info on their part I feel further discussion (point by point) is warranted. The criteria I used for the changes is: MUST BE A FULL LENGTH ALBUM NOT AN EP OR SINGLE. That includes compilations since they were already included on the old list (Caustic Window Compilation and Chosen Lords were on the old list despite having no new tracks and missing tracks, just because they're full length and what they reprint isn't). To be clear:

1. ANALOGUE BUBBLEBATH 3 is over 50 minutes. There has never been a justifiable reason for leaving it off this list.
2. VENTOLIN is a full length album. Yes it is true that SOME of the printings have it as 2 EPs instead of 1 album, but other printings (the US printing) have it as all one album. Thus it is a full length album because ONE OR MORE of the versions of the album are. The fact that one of the printings isn't full length does not invalidate the other printings, especially because they came out at the same time (the US and UK first printings) rather than the full length one being just a later printing.
3. CLASSICS is a full length album reprinting some of his most notable early releases (his 3rd and 4th EPs). The only justification for leaving it off the list is the fact that it's a compilation, but so is Caustic Window Compilation and Chosen Lords and they're on the old list. You can't say that it's because they're more notable releases because Classics is far more notable than either of them.
4. HANGABLE AUTO BULB is a 2005 compilation 35 minutes in length (so long enough to count as an album but damn close to the limit) that reprints the EPs "Hangable Auto Bulb 1" and "Hangable Auto Bulb 2". We are not talking about the EPs (which are NOT long enough to be considered albums), we are talking about the 2005 reprint which has a different title (no number) and IS just barely album length (about the same length as the UK printing of "Richard D James album").
5. 26 MIXES FOR CASH is a 2 cd set consisting mostly of remixes he's done over his entire career. Only 2 justifications come to mind for leaving it off, either "it's a compilation" or "it's not one of the notable releases". The first doesn't work because of Chosen Lords and Caustic Window Compilation, the second is actually a decent point.
6. EXPERT KNOB TWIDDLERS is a full length duet album with Mu-Ziq. I can't see any reason it was left off the old list.
7. Analogue Bubblebath 5 is a 1995 album whose release was canceled. It's full length but probably left of the list because it's "unreleased". In fact copies were printed and mp3s based on those copies made it to the internet back in the 90s. Then in 2005 a few new copies were printed and given to fans whose orders of Analord got screwed up (as a way of apology). I'm counting that as a "release", even if it was limited to a dozen copies and wasn't available to intentionally order. Perhaps I'm wrong to count it this way.
8. Come To Daddy was a full length album on the us printing and 2 EPs on the UK first printing. All later UK printings have it as all one album.

As an aside, so far as I know there has never been a printing of On that collected both EPs on one album. Some people's mp3 collections have it like that but I've never heard of a proper printing of it like that, thus it's not added to this list. 24.68.125.182 (talk) 05:01, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

just because it's a full length album doesn't not mean it's a studio album. compilation shouldn't have been/shouldn't be on something that says Studio Albums. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:8084:200:2300:596A:702:2192:97D (talk) 10:47, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

Various collaborations

This may or may not be redundant, but it'd help expand the biographical sections.

Is it worth mentioning things such as this within his "gaining success" section/others: a remix and an original track of Richard's appeared on the NIN remix album Further Down the Spiral, via Nothing Records (which I believe distributed for a few artists on Warp within the US) prior to appearing on 26 Mixes for Cash - I normally wouldn't see the need to mention all the remixes he's done for notable artists as those alone would constitute half the page - an original track though?

I only bring it up as I know so many avid fans of his who, without internet connections and unfortunately any presence in a community where word of mouth mentioned anything worthwhile that wasn't celebrity, had no idea who Aphex Twin was or what he sounded like, only learning of him by hearing his work accompanying much more high profile artists at the time (i.e. finding ICBYD through NIN). Worth mentioning along with anything else as notable, at least up to the strong international following he gained before and after the impact of Windowlicker.

72.200.69.99 (talk) 19:22, 19 November 2015 (UTC)