Talk:Eddie Guerrero

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Should something be added here about the way WWE (often controversially) used his name after his death? 68.192.137.151 03:55, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Shouldn't "cheat 2 win" be a finishing move for eddie? He used it to win matches almost as much as the frog splash. GamerZX101 18:45, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Why isn't there any mention of Eddie's severe elbow injury in his first WWE match in 2000. He accidentally landed on his elbow while performing a frog splash. He was unable to wrestle for months after that, but was kept on tv as kind of a manager for Chris Benoit, Perry Saturn & Dean Malenko.--Hndsmepete 13:21, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

So then be bold and add it. Anakinjmt 13:24, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

I support the idea to add "Cheat 2 Win" to his finishers and to add the elbow injury. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kperfekt722 (talk • contribs) 02:09, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

I support adding his previous elbow injury, but "Cheat 2 Win" isn't technically a wrestling move. Yes, he did cheat to win (much to the enjoyment of fans everywhere), but how would that be any different from adding "Ric Flair Holds Opponents' Legs Down" to Triple H's list of finishing/signature moves? Spartan198 (talk) 07:29, 14 November 2008 (UTC) Spartan198

On Vince Mcmahon's page it says as his finisher While McMahon usually relies on outside interference to win matches KingRaven (>$.$)> (talk) 21:55, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Grand Slam/Triple Crown Champion

Can someone add that he was also the 11th WWE Triple Crown Champion, and only the 5th WWE Grand Slam Champion? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.167.215.130 (talk) 10:50, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

• why? that's insignificant trivia cruft - I mean is there a significance to list that he was the 11th and the 5th to do something? if he was the first or maybe second I can see it but 11th and 5th? Nah. 01:10, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism

Somebody removed the date of death and put that he's retired. Talk about taking things too seriously...--206.27.244.59 22:40, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Birthplace

Where was Eddie Guerrero born? In the statistics, it says he was born in El Paso, Texas, but in the main article, it says he was born in Juarez, Mexico- SCB '92 08:46, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Can some one please explain why Tulcingo de Valle in the Mexican state of Puebla is listed as the place Eddie Guerrero was born. It is well documented that he was born in Ciudad Juarez, which is in Chihuahua. The only confusion I'm aware of is the fact that he once stated in an interview that we was born in El Paso, Texas, USA. But on his official site 'Eddicts. com' and at his WWE Hall of Fame induction, it was said he was born in Ciudad Juarez. This should surely be good enough for us.

Eddie Guerrero was born in El Paso but wrestled in Juarez for a long period of time. His parents Herlinda and Gory Guerrero wanted him to be born in the states so that he wouldnt have to be an immigrant and live the life of one. Herlinda Llanes was his mother and wanted her children to be fluent in both English and Spanish.

Well, thinking he was born in Juarez is understandable then, but to cite Tulcingo de Valle, which is in southern Mexico, as his birthplace seems crazy. I was just interested where that came from.

Eddie was born in El Paso. His name can be found in this Texas Archive given below.

http://searches1.rootsweb.com/usgenweb/archives/tx/elpaso/vitals/births/1967/elpab67c.txt

VITAL RECORDS - EL PASO COUNTY, TX - BIRTH 1967

GUERRERO, EDUARDO GORY 09-Oct-1967 m

Mk32 (talk) 07:13, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Growing up I loved wrestling. Being Mexican myself, I idolized Eddie Guerrero. I have the Issue of WWE Magazine where it talks about him being inducted into the WWE Hall Of Fame after his death, and it says there he was born in Juarez Mexico. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Solidkrush29 (talk • contribs) 07:26, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

the clean for 4 years

Thing needs to be taken out since we found out Eddie was taken drugs up to his death supermiker

Eddie wasn't taking drugs, he died of heart complications due to taking drugs EARLIER in his life.--ProtoWolf 22:47, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

well according to the News that a lie supermiker

Supermiker, we get you don't like Eddie Guerrero, but everybody knows including people who don't like Eddie that he wasn't taking drugs up to his death. Mr. C.C. 07:04, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

he quit the drugs, and even if he didn't im sure the exhumer would have mentioned something. Hollywoodd 02:07, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

References

This articles needs more references. There is only one, yet the Chris Benoit article has 95. Mr. C.C. 07:04, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

I see 5 references, but it's still far too few references. I've started working on the page improving and tweaking it, eventually it should be a GA candidate but right now it's really far away from being it. MPJ-DK 12:00, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

also eddie was at the peek of physical fitness he was not diagnosed with the heart dieseas which is why he died as well he was the most humble person that you will ever meet i would know he was very close to me and my heart i love you eddie and goodbye you will allways live in my heart adios amigo. one day i will carry on your legacy and i've already started. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.197.177.30 (talk) 17:50, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

His last heel theme

The song was entitled 'Gangsta Lean' and not 'Gangster Lane' as it was written before. I'm gonna go ahead and change it AGAIN. User:Rawisrob —Preceding comment was added at 23:18, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Whoever is changing the name back to 'Lane' really needs to stop. The song is called GANGSTA LEAN. 'Gangster Lane' makes no sense. 'Gangsta lean' is an urban phrase. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rawisrob (talk • contribs) 01:38, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Hey, RawIsRob, you put Eddie's last theme as "Gangsta Lean." Well it may be an urban phrase, but if you listen closely to this, you'll notice the rapper is saying "Now's about the time I step into the Gangsta Lane." Besides, steppin into the gangsta LEAN doesn't sound right. THE $R$ Habla!^Hancock 00:51, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Its LANE you crazy lol. Hollywoodd 02:08, 11 June 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kperfekt722 (talk • contribs)

It's Gangsta Lean. Go look up the lyrics on the official site. It's listed as Gangsta Lean. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rawisrob (talk • contribs) 01:25, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Eddie's last theme was actually called "I will not lose" by Jim Johnston —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.45.232.219 (talk) 16:39, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Reverted to the original and actual name of the song. Gangsta Lean is a phraze for "A common driving position in which the driver holds the wheel with his left hand while leaning to his right toward the passenger seat, usually bobbing his head or bumpin' with the beat" - Which Eddie was famous for. Hence the reason the song was written for him, No where in the theme does the singer sing Gangsta Lane. Having it as Lane would not rhyme with the verse after it, "It's about time I stepped into the Gangsta Leaaaaaaaan, It's about that time homeboy, I keep the sky high (Mexican/Spanish vocal) Maccccchhhiiiinnnnneee" -> Lane And Machine don't rhyme + "It's about time I stepped into the Gangsta Lean" does make sense. Meaning it's about time he got behind the wheel. 91.107.156.120 (talk) 23:37, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Came to wcw with benoit and malenko

Benoit was in WCW in 1992. WHAT.

142.162.204.216 (talk) 22:16, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

What about the others?

Well, I think that he was trained by people other than his brothers and needs to be fixed. I read in his book, that most importantly his dad displined him to be a wrestler. I think that should be fixed soon. And on another issue, he actually trained Chavo Guerrero Jr. as well. Please take this under advisement, thank you. Muchas Gracias, amigos!

Gossipgirl1 (talk) 18:40, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

You know the beauty of Wikipedia right? if you want something changed then YOU can actually do it yourself, be bold and all that. MPJ-DK (talk) 06:53, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

The actual date of the SmackDown taping

The SmackDown taping in which the three way with Eddie, Batista and Orton was scheduled was November 13, 2005. It was a Sunday taping of both Raw and SmackDown because they were going on an oversees tour the next day. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ewitner (talk • contribs) 05:13, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

The taping was scheduled for Guerrero to face off against Batista and randy orton and win the World Heavyweight championship....it would've aired on November 18....but the match was never taped.

Mil Mascaras

Does Eddie have something to do with Mil Mascaras? Volkov ^talk 21:15, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

No...I don't think they've even met

They were partners, once. Allegedly. InedibleHulk (talk) 13:45, November 13, 2015 (UTC)

Eduardo Gory......

Some time ago I saw his full name listed here as Eduardo Gory Guerrero Llanes. I don't have a problem with it either way, but is there a reason why this was removed? Seems odd for something like that to have been changed with no discussion whatever. 208.66.39.94 (talk) 12:29, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Hey for real! man Wikepedia is removing facts from the WWE Legend

Frog splash... or Jackknife Splash ??

When did the frog splash was named jackknife splash? I've watch every Eddie's WcW match and they never call it a jackknife splash.

Isn't it typo error on the ref site web, or maybe a confusion wih the jackknife finishing move of Kevin Nash!? Jeangabin (talk) 22:05, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

The source used for the name Jackknife splash is the archived version of his WCW bio, [1]. It's a relibale source, so I don't see a problem. Just because you don't remember them calling it such, doesn't mean they didn't. Their official website calls it Jackknife splash, so we also list the name here. ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 12:32, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

No problem with. But it can be a cut, copy, and paste error or human erreor on the site web. You can also find error on the WWE official website, so at a time where information on the web wasn't as controled as nowadays... The name is not written two time, only one. You should find a second reliable source with the move named Jackknife splash or a WcW match where you can clearly hear the commentors refered to it with that name. Jeangabin (talk) 14:26, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

OK. I've find !! The name "Jackknife Splash" comes from Art Barr, Guerrero began using the move in AAA while teaming with "Love Machine" Art Barr. After a comment from 2 Cold Scorpio, Barr changed the name of his finishing move to "Frog Splash". After his death, Eddie adopted the "Frog Splash" as his finishing maneuver as a tribute to his friend. Jeangabin (talk) 12:00, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

World Heavyweight Champion?

Unto a couple of weeks ago. In the section that talks about Guerrero's death it stated that Stephanie McMahon had hinted that Eddie was scheduled to face Batista and Randy Orton and win his second World title. Why was it removed? Was it not a fact?

It was impossible to verify. There's no solid source you can point to and say, here, this proves that Guerrero was scheduled to win the WHC.TheNeutroniumAlchemist (talk) 22:21, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Every interview I have ever heard done by writers who were with the WWE at this time ALL say that there were no plans what so ever for Guerrero to win the title prior to his death. The most recent example was Court Bauer say this on the recent edition of Bauer and Pollock podcast. (November 13, 2013 edition of the show). And I know Alex Greenfield and someone else have confirmed this on Wrestling Observer radio shows. I know it's this romantic thing that he was suppose to win the title, but it's been denied so often that I think it's pretty safe to say it was never on the books. Something that is speculated should not be in a wikipedia article anyways.

228lbs?

Didn't Eddie Guerrero weigh 228lbs? because I have so many of his DVD's and Pay-Per-Views and every time he entered the ring it said 228lbs....I know that on the offical website it says 220 but I'm telling you he weighed 228lbs go on yahoo type in Eddie Guerrero and every website will say 228lbs.

First Paragraph

in the first paragraph that states Guerrero's name, Wikepedia should really state that Eddie was one of WWE's top superstars and one of the most skillful and technical wrestlers —Preceding unsigned comment added by Flakitox3 (talk • contribs) 02:49, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

POV = Point of view--WillC 02:53, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Well he was...on WWE's mainpage, it says .....Some new Drug policy was created after the death of one of WWE's most beloved superstars, Eddie Guerrero....Damn Wikepedia show the man some respect. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Flakitox3 (talk • contribs) 14:54, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

It says beloved as you say, not anything you just said in your first post. The article is a biography, not a fan article.--WillC 21:35, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

you heartless basted! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.4.0.11 (talk) 00:04, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Return?

It says that Eddie guerreor's tradegy was a storyline to feud with batista...I think somebody might've put false information, he's dead —Preceding unsigned comment added by Flakitox3 (talk • contribs) 17:08, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Yep, false info. I've reverted back. ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 17:27, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Major Rewrite?

Just thought I'd try and get a consensus on whether or not this article is up to standard. It's well sourced and the information is fully correct as far as I can tell, but it doesn't seem as well presented or written as most Pro Wrestling articles are. Just a thought. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.105.245.250 (talk) 17:40, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Wrong age

He was 38, no 37--186.6.82.166 (talk) 09:17, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Who broke the infobox?

In case you haven't noticed, the infobox is broken. I'm not going to bother trying to fix it because that's not really my bag, but someone probably should. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.249.130.53 (talk) 00:33, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Guerrero's children and WP:BLPNAME

I've removed the unsourced mention of Guerrero's kids' names a couple of times, but the change is just reverted with the explanation that we don't need to source everything. I've pointed to WP:BLPNAME in my initial edit summary, which seems explicit: However, names of family members who are not also notable public figures must be removed from an article if they are not properly sourced. I'm just posting this here to make sure there's not some good reason that we are not following WP:BLPNAME. Thanks! EricEnfermero (Talk) 05:06, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

Actually, I didn't see the latest, but it looks like NNDB has been added as a source. Hopefully we can at least find a more reliable source. EricEnfermero (Talk) 05:09, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

First heart attack

How come there is no reference in this article of this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VV9nMbSZgQ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:569:797B:EA00:38A2:B02A:E912:9869 (talk) 18:37, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

"He is regarded as one of the greatest of all time": he is, in fact, but some clarifications.

As the person who had written it originally, I'd like to let the cat out of the bag as to "why" the intro is there, because I can see a lot of editing happening in the near to far future. I want to say that the intro of the article is not "fluff", but a tentative legitimate approach to the question pertaining to the general perception of Eddie Guerrero. Wrestling may be a hobby, true; on the contrary, statistical analysis is my field of work. How do we determine if we can say that "wrestler X is considered by (fans) a good/great wrestler"? We need the appropriate sample size to say so. The sample size of wrestling fans (using cagematch.net as a source, not because I prefer it per se, but simply because it's the biggest pool with "votes" available online) is plenty enough to justify the conclusion that Guerrero is, in fact, most likely among the best ever according to your average Joe. Guerrero is seventh - technically sixth, as there is a non-wrestler above him, that non-wrestler being Paul Heyman - in a database of possibly thousands, or dozens of thousands of pro wrestlers of all time (according to the site itself, it's pretty much all-encompassing: "the biggest stars and the most unknown rookies, all of them are included in the database and can be commented on, rated and generally browsed for huge amounts of information -- as long as the individuals have received professional training"). You may say "the internet wrestling community" may not be representative of the whole wrestling community. Fair enough, from a purely theoretical approach, but I think it's a little extreme take on the data we have as of today: I doubt that most fans who are able to follow wrestling today have not access to the internet. And mind you that we need only some people to "interview" to make a claim statistically relevant. In short, we may say that the data obtained through the internet is representative of the wrestling community as a whole because for the purpose of statistical research as long as we have the right size of data. Or the right sample, if you like.

What is the right sample, then? Now, I don't know exactly how many wrestling fans are in the world. I know that other statistical researches suggest that around 1/5 Americans are, in fact, fans. This is irrelevant, though, even if we overestimate the size of pro wrestling fandom to include about 1 billion individuals, we may reach anywhere from 95 to 99% accuracy with a limited pool of around 666 individuals (http://www.surveysystem.com/sscalc.htm). In the cagematch.net database, Guerrero has received more than 700 ratings, which represent a sizeable, relevant pool for statistical data.

So, according to the wrestling fans as a sample, Guerrero should most likely be included in the top ten of all time. This should be enough to give legitimacy to the "Guerrero is widely regarded (by fans) as one of the greatest". But what according to the WWE? Sure enough it's easier, because we have plenty of official publications. We have some articles that cover Guerrero's time as a SmackDown superstar and another that labels him "one of the greatest technician". However, we do have another article specifically referring to the "top 50 WWE superstars of all time", a research reportedly based on WWE officials, WWE current wrestlers and past wrestlers. Eddie Guerrero is, again, in a remarkable eleventh position. So there you have it, according to WWE, Guerrero is right in the first dozen of its best wrestlers of all time (not enough to justify a broad claim involving other federations, truthfully); according to the wrestling community he is right there with the very very best of every federations and time.

Hoping I shed some light on the issues behind giving proper basis to statistical research covering the claim, I hope this can help other wikipedians when writing their articles too. Sorry if I mistyped anything! :)