Talk:David Icke

Need correction

Hello,

The following information is incorrect.

He was awarded a British Empire Medal for gallantry in May 1943 after helping to save the crew of an aircraft that had crashed into the Chipping Warden air base in Oxfordshire. Along with a Squadron Leader, he ran into the burning aircraft, without protective clothing, and saved the life of a crew member who was trapped inside.[4]

How can someone born in 1952 be awarded in 1943?

Apologies. I assumed the information on was on David Icke.

Regards

Comment on Wogan's death

Hello. If [1] is not enough of a reliable source, here's the same image posted on Icke's official site. 89.72.244.110 (talk) 10:46, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

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Anti-Judaism Category. Anti-Judaism is the essence of Icke's notability.

I put Icke in the "Critics of Judaism" category and was reverted. The only reason David Icke is known because of his bizarre conspiracy theories about the leaders of International Jewry, he believes they are lizards and all that other nonsense. If he had not written that nonsense there would be no article about him, which makes him different from other Anti-Jewish people such as Adolf Hitler, Friedrich Nietzsche, Carl Jung and Helena Blavatsky, who were famous people who happened to be Anti-Jewish, the only reason Icke is well known is because he is Anti-Jewish. If he were not Anti-Jewish there would not be an article about him. Even Lothrop Stoddard who was only mildly Anti-Jewish and did not discuss Judaism much in his writings is included in that category. So why shouldn't Icke be included in that category? RandomScholar30 (talk) 00:17, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

Hannah Newman in her book The Rainbow Swastika:A Report to Jews on New Age Anti-Judaism" stated [begin quote]The best personal example of neo-Nazi ideology merged with NA thought is David Icke, former BBC commentator turned Green Party activist and "son of the godhead" guru, whose seminars are crowded with NAers and neo-Nazis alike. Likewise the British magazine _Rainbow Ark_ and the Australian periodical _Nexus_, which Icke recommends to his followers. (For a good overview of Icke, see "From Green Messiah to New Age Nazi", _Left Green Perspectives_, Jan. 1996.) [Note the quotes by Icke, many of which are almost verbatim Bailey teachings.] Also worthy of mention is the "New Acropolis", ostensibly a NA philosophy club to outsiders, but a Fascist group known by insiders to be imitating the Third Reich.[end quote] The quoet is in chapter F: Nazism and New Age. http://philologos.org/__eb-trs/naF.htm Newman is a Jewish apologist, opposes New Age, and is also fringe, so she cannot be used as a source in the article itself, but it gives my point that Icke is Anti-Jewish evidence which makes me inclined to think my judgement was correct, so I will look for reliable sources that are not biased and are mainstream that support the fact Icke is Anti-Jewish. RandomScholar30 (talk) 04:18, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

I found one reliable, mainstream source (although not more neutral) that also described Icke as Anti-Jewish. "British author David Icke, accused of promoting Anti-Semitic conspiracy theories, found that theatres in Vancouver were unwilling to rent their space to him for a proposed public seminar in February." D. Singer and L. Grossman editors American Jewish Year Book 2003 page 316 [2] RandomScholar30 (talk) 04:27, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

Icke was also called 'the prolific Anti-Semitic British conspiracist, David Icke' here Handbook of Spiritualism and Channeling [3]RandomScholar30 (talk) 04:30, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

"David Icke asserts a conspiracy to rule the world by Jews who are shapechanging lizards from outer space." Matas, David Aftershock: Anti-Zionism and Anti-JudaismRandomScholar30 (talk) 04:32, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

I found this source from Hannah Newman's book,http://social-ecology.org/wp/1996/01/left-green-perspectives-35/. It states " He openly endorsed the The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, the tsarist anti-Semitic forgery that informed Hitler’s notion of a global Jewish conspiracy.

Icke seems oblivious to the fact that the Protocols were long ago exposed as a crude device to stir up hatred of Jews. Nor is he concerned about their popularity with Nazis from Hitler onwards. “Just because Hitler used knowledge for negative reasons doesn’t reflect on the knowledge,” says Icke.

The Robots’ Rebellion weaves a complex tapestry of extreme right-wing concerns about conspiracies to control the world through such diverse means as banking, the New World Order, freemasons, the FBI, the Waco siege, microchips, extraterrestrials, and gun control.

The anti-Semitism of the book is not concealed. Icke accuses Jewish bankers of funding both Hitler and the Bolsheviks,a classic piece of far-right propaganda. He attacks “Jehovah, the vengeful God of the Jews,” as “quite possibly an extraterrestrial." I think there's enough evidence that his Anti-Judaism should be mentioned in the article and he should included in the category "critics of Judaism". RandomScholar30 (talk) 04:34, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

WP:BLPCAT applies here. I don't disagree with the basic assertion that David Icke has said some wacky things, but he is more of a conspiracy theorist recycling every conspiracy theory there ever was than a far right racist figure. Categories at the foot of the article need to be supported by text and citations within the article. The best source that I could find on this issue was this piece in The Guardian. Icke is careful to avoid saying things that are outright anti-semitic as this might get him banned from travelling to other countries. Some people have argued that "lizards" is code for "Jews" in Icke's work, but not all of the people that he has classed as lizards are Jews.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 05:54, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

Yes, but a lot more of Icke's villalins are Jewish (at least ethnically) than people think. For example the Rockefeller family are of Jewish ancestry even though they do not consider themselves Jewish, and some people regard Judaism as an ethnicity as well as a religion, so by some definitions they would be Jewish even though they don't identify with Judaism. They are one of the families Icke calls "lizards", another was the Rothschilds who are also of Jewish ancestry. It seemed to me that people of that group predominate in Icke's theories. Also, even though we cannot use it as a source because she is fringe, Jewish-Zionist author Hannah Newman has well documented the Anti-Judaism of the New Age Movement in her book The Rainbow Swastika: A Report to Jews on New Age Anti-Judaism [4] I found much of it convincing, and she referenced Icke in the book "The best personal example of neo-Nazi ideology merged with NA thought is David Icke, former BBC commentator turned Green Party activist and "son of the godhead" guru, whose seminars are crowded with NAers and neo-Nazis alike. Likewise the British magazine _Rainbow Ark_ and the Australian periodical _Nexus_, which Icke recommends to his followers. (For a good overview of Icke, see "From Green Messiah to New Age Nazi", _Left Green Perspectives_, Jan. 1996.) [Note the quotes by Icke, many of which are almost verbatim Bailey teachings.]" [5] RandomScholar30 (talk) 07:07, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

I agree with ianmacm. It is certainly not the case that "Anti-Judaism is the essence of Icke's notability". Some of his statements may indeed be seen as anti-semitic, but that does not make him a "critic of Judaism" - that is, a critic of the religion. "I found much of it convincing" is, I'm afraid, not a good basis for editing. Ghmyrtle (talk) 09:53, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

I added much evidence from reliable sources my finding Newman's evidence persuasive was not my only basis for editing this it was mainstream reliable sources. Icke is described as AntiJewish in most mainstream sources. And he is New Age and New Age has definite AntiJewish tendencies. He directly attacked the Jewish God according to one of the reliable sources I showed that is attacking the religion and he also has targeted the racial group in addition for example most of the villains in his writings are ethnically Jewish even if not theologically for example the Rockefeller family. RandomScholar30 (talk) 17:03, 2 June 2016 (UTC)