Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2017 November 28

Fictional television programming

Category:Category:Fictional television programming

• Propose renaming Category:Category:Fictional television programming to Category:Category:Fictional television shows

Nominator's rationale:

Category:Category:Fictional television shows with religious themes

• Propose deleting Category:Category:Fictional television shows with religious themes - Template:Lc1
  

Nominator's rationale: NEED REASON.

Consistency with real TV show categories. Category:Fictional TV series is inappropriate because not all elements are TV series. 165.91.13.204 (talk) 16:56, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

Category:Family medicine

• Propose merging Category:Family medicine to Category:Primary care

Nominator's rationale: The same thing by different names Rathfelder (talk) 14:44, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

• oppose: not in the USA, they're not. In fact we have three different articles on primary care, general practice, and family practice. Merge those together, and we can talk. I also note that the articles in the category deal specifically with the US specialty. Mangoe (talk) 16:21, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

Category:Indian sex gangs

• Propose renaming Category:Indian sex gangs to Category:Sex gangs in India

Nominator's rationale: Created by me and was previously discussed at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2016_April_15#Category:Pakistani_sex_gangs. I was wrong one year back so wants a new consensus. Same for Category:Pakistani sex gangs. Störm (talk) 13:08, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

Category:First Ladies and Gentlemen of Estonia

• Propose renaming Category:First Ladies and Gentlemen of Estonia to Category:Spouses of presidents of Estonia

Nominator's rationale: Follow up this move. 90.191.76.154 (talk) 11:47, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

Years and decades in Wales up to 1700

• Propose merging Category:560 in Wales to Category:560 in Europe and Category:6th century in Wales
• Propose merging Category:569 in Wales to Category:569 in Europe and Category:6th century in Wales
• Propose merging Category:1100s establishments in Wales to Category:1100s establishments in Europe and Category:12th-century establishments in Wales
• Propose merging Category:1116 establishments in Wales to Category:1116 establishments in Europe and Category:12th-century establishments in Wales
• Propose merging Category:1131 establishments in Wales to Category:1131 establishments in Europe and Category:12th-century establishments in Wales
• Propose merging Category:1132 establishments in Wales to Category:1132 establishments in Europe and Category:12th-century establishments in Wales
• Propose merging Category:1136 in Wales to Category:1136 in Europe and Category:12th century in Wales
• Propose merging Category:1157 in Wales to Category:1157 in Europe and Category:12th century in Wales

Nominator's rationale: merge/delete per WP:SMALLCAT, the larger amount of categories only have one or two articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:32, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

Category:Jewish American mayors

• Propose renaming Category:Jewish American mayors to Category:Jewish mayors of places in the United States

Nominator's rationale: Standard NC in the mayors tree is "Mayors of places in Country", not "Demonym mayors". Bearcat (talk) 04:34, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

Keep - Insufficient rationale. Follows the pattern of Category:Jewish American state governors of the United States, Category:Hispanic and Latino American mayors, Category:LGBT mayors of places in the United States and other similar cats. Appropriate renaming is ok though. Mhym (talk) 07:22, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

Category:Muslim dynasties

• Propose renaming Category:Muslim dynasties to Category:Islamic dynasties

Nominator's rationale: Per MOS:ISLAMIC. Chicbyaccident (talk) 23:30, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

• Not sure that MOS:ISLAMIC supports the proposed rename. Dynasties consist of people, people are Muslims. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:53, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
• Oppose - The proposed change would alter the scope of the category. A "Muslim dynasty" is one whose rulers follow Islam; an "Islamic dynasty" is one that declares a caliphate. -- Black Falcon ^(talk) 04:51, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

  How did you come to that conclusion? Chicbyaccident (talk) 07:17, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

  Presupposing that people are Muslims whereas concepts and objects are Islamic, an "Islamic dynasty" would be not just a succession of Muslim rulers but one that relates to Islamic tenets—i.e. a succession of caliphs. -- Black Falcon ^(talk) 20:09, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ℯxplicit 04:08, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

Category:Malayalam short stories

• Propose merging Category:Malayalam short stories to Category:Indian short stories

Nominator's rationale: Not enough articles to warrant a category. Kailash29792 (talk) 07:20, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

• Keep - 6 articles is about enough for a category. Anyway Malayalam is a language; it would be as inappropriate to merge it with Hindi as English literature with French. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:41, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
• Merge to both parent categories, this intersection category is a bit over the top with the limited total amount of Indian short stories articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:02, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ℯxplicit 04:08, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

Category:Officer of the United States

• Propose deleting Category:Officer of the United States - Template:Lc1
  

Nominator's rationale: Too vague. Literally any executive branch politician from Thomas Jefferson (Secretary of State) to Karl Rove (Deputy Chief of Staff) could fit into this category. – JocularJellyfish ^Talk_Contribs 04:02, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

• delete Officer of the United States covers a lot more territory than the executive branch, but when it comes down to it, anyone who is an "officer" is so by virtue of occupying some position which would prompt a more specific categorization, rendering this a huge container category of various US office-holders with no direct membership. I just don't see the point. Mangoe (talk) 16:28, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

Rulers who died as children

• Propose deleting Category:Rulers who died as children - Template:Lc1
  

Nominator's rationale: Category:Deaths by age-type category. 165.91.13.63 (talk) 02:46, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

• Merge to Category:Child rulers. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:12, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
• oppose It seems to me that nominal child rulers who never assumed adult rule IS defining. Mangoe (talk) 16:31, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

Category:Meghan Markle

• Propose deleting Category:Meghan Markle - Template:Lc1
  

Nominator's rationale: Not enough content for an eponymous category. Why does this exist? ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 01:34, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

• Delete. This probably got created because her fiancé has one — but he's got quite a lot more spinoff content than just the article about the upcoming nuptials, while she doesn't. She might certainly have more content to justify this in the future, but we don't create eponymous categories just because they might become more populated someday — we create them only when they already are more populated now. Bearcat (talk) 04:37, 28 November 2017 (UTC)