Talk:Babe Ruth

Edit request on 16 May 2012

I find this (in Ruth's declining career from 1929 onward):

(He had often pitched in exhibitions in the intervening years).

Please put the period INSIDE the parentheses, because that is indeed a complete sentence.

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Grammar

"...whom she had been living with..."?? Criminy.

I used to fix things like that when I found them on Wikipedia pages. But it seems that editing is no longer allowed.

I have no interest in jumping through hoops to be allowed to edit pages, so from now on I'll just let errors slide, no matter how egregious. Too bad. The community loses out, but don't blame me. I didn't make the rules.

Please change number of RBIs

According to several sources, including Babe Ruth had 2,214 RBIs in his career, not 2,213 as stated in the article.

Sauljaffe (talk) 19:42, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

They seem to be reacting to this article.--Wehwalt (talk) 22:14, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

References

Semi-protected edit request on 18 April 2017

I was the first to discuss Babe Ruth's cancer diagnosis and I have an article showing that I was the earliest: Bikhazi, N et al. Babe Ruth's Cancer and Its Impact on Medical History Laryngoscope 109:1-7. January 1999.

I would like to add this reference to the initial line (which I wrote): "In 1946, Ruth began experiencing severe pain over his left eye, and had difficulty swallowing. In November 1946, he entered French Hospital in New York for tests, which revealed that Ruth had an inoperable malignant tumor at the base of his skull and in his neck" Nbikhazi (talk) 22:51, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Izno (talk) 17:24, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

Could someone with access to medical sources take a second look at this and see if what he says is accurate?--Wehwalt (talk) 18:08, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

Perhaps bring it up at WikiProject Medicine? JTP ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:54, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

Could not locate this journal article title anywhere? – Train2104 (t • c) 17:26, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

The correct title is "Babe Ruth's Illness and Its Impact on Medical History". You can download it here. Prayer for the wild at heart (talk) 18:32, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

Early Years

In the 9/16/1985 People. Babe's sister Mary revealed that Babe was followed by a set of twin boys, then Mary's twin sister and Mary, then another set of twin boys. Mary's twin sister and the two sets of twin boys did not survive infancy. (http://people.com/archive/babes-sister-vol-23-no-12/) Someone needs to include this under Early Years section. 47.152.248.207 (talk) 00:01, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

Have secondary sources picked it up?--Wehwalt (talk) 09:05, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

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Inconsistency between article writing style and Wikipedia policy

Wikipedia is forever frowning on articles that read like the narration track written for any number of PBS and similar types of cable stations (A&E, History, Military Discovery etc etc etc). Yet the whole tone of the entire article reads exactly like such a script.

As I keep getting honked at by Wikipedia administrators for improving articles and I keep listening to them say the same thing - why would they let entire articles like this stand as a monument to a writing style with which they have a problem?

Either the Wikipedia administrators need to quit complaining about how articles sound like a TJ Lubinsky production or else they need to quit complaining about the people wo contribute in that style of writing.

It's one or the other people. You can't have your cake and eat it too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.102.157.201 (talk) 02:39, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 October 2017

Change: Brother Matthias Boutlier of the Christian Brothers To: Brother Matthias Boutlier of the Xaverian Brothers 74.102.116.182 (talk) 15:43, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

See my response below. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 16:12, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 October 2017

Change: Brother Matthias Boutlier of the Christian Brothers To: Brother Martin Leo "Matthias" Boutilier, C.F.X., of the Xaverian Brothers

???: Boutlier or Boutilier 74.102.116.182 (talk) 15:59, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Not done: as it appears you don't know what you are requesting. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 16:12, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 November 2017

One sentence says "As an adult babe ruth reminisced he been..." shouldn't it be "he had been" Ghinga7 (talk) 15:22, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

Done DRAGON BOOSTER ★ 16:30, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 November 2017

http://nypost.com/2014/02/01/chicago-journalist-debunks-babe-ruths-called-shot/ says "Crosetti even said that after Ruth regaled reporters with his tale of how he called the shot, he sat next to Crosetti, winked, and told him, “You know I didn’t point, I know I didn’t point, but if those bastards want to think I pointed to center field, let ’em.” I think that is needed in this article Ghinga7 (talk) 16:37, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

I think it's better at Babe Ruth's called shot than here. We have a sufficient discussion--Wehwalt (talk) 18:17, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

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Brother Matthias Boutlier

Brother Matthias Boutlier was a member of the Xaverian Brothers, i.e., a member of the Congregation of St. Francis Xavier (C.F.X.), which operated St. Mary's Industrial School when Babe Ruth was a student there. Brother Matthias was not a member of the Christian Brothers (i.e., De La Salle Christian Brothers or Brothers of the Christian Schools). There are a number of pictures of Brother Matthias Boutlier available on the Internet including ones with Babe Ruth. Brother Matthias is not dressed as De La Salle Christian Brother or as an Irish Christian Brother in any of these pictures. Somebody with editing powers should fix this statement in the article. JacquotFresne (talk) 00:33, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

Can you provide a source for what you're saying?--Wehwalt (talk) 07:54, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

Note first of all that there was no source for claiming that Brother Matthias was a Christian Brother (either a De La Salle Christian Brother or an Irish Christian Brother) so the statement that he was a Christian Brother was never even purported to be justified in the first place. On the other hand, there are photos readily available on the Internet that show that Brother Matthias was dressed as a Xaverian Brother (C.F.X.) and not as a Christian Brother.

To see how Brother Matthias was dressed, see https://www.catholicjournal.us/2011/08/08/babe-and-a-brother-named-mathias/ and https://www.stjohnsprep.org/cf_news/view.cfm?newsid=4595 . Note that this second web page is from St. John's Prep, a Xaverian school. To see other pictures of Xaverian Brothers see http://stjoeprep1959.tripod.com/brothers.htm and http://graveyardrabbitofsanduskybay.blogspot.com/2011/08/blessing-came-in-us-mail.html . Yes, Brother Matthias dressed like a Xaverian Brother. Indeed, he was a Xaverian Brother.

To see how the De La Salle Christian Brothers dressed until recent decades, see, for example, https://www.cbu.edu/the-christian-brothers . To see how the Irish Christian Brothers dressed see, for example, https://irishphotoarchive.photoshelter.com/image/I0000JNWrXeEz754 . Thus, the three congregations of brothers dressed distinctly and should not have been confused.

Babe Ruth attended St. Mary's Industrial School which eventually became Cardinal Gibbons School. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardinal_Gibbons_School_(Baltimore,_Maryland)#Saint_Mary's_Industrial_School_for_Boys_(1866%E2%80%931950) . During Babe Ruth's time, the school was under the direction of the Xaverian Brothers. Nevertheless, eventually a De La Salle Christian Brother, Brother Kevin Strong F.S.C. became the school president. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardinal_Gibbons_School_(Baltimore,_Maryland)#Saint_Mary's_Industrial_School_for_Boys_(1866%E2%80%931950) and https://www.fscdena.org/2018/01/04/brother-kevin-strong-fsc/ . The second reference is to a web site of the De La Salle Christian Brothers. It notes that Brother Kevin Strong, F.S.C., was president of Cardinal Gibbons School from 2004 to 2008. Perhaps this is the source of the confusion, i.e., there was a change in who ran the school. The important thing, however, is that, just because there was a De La Salle Christian Brother in charge of the school from 2004 to 2008, it doesn't mean that the De La Salle Brothers were teaching at St. Mary's Industrial School when Babe Ruth attended there. Indeed, they weren't.

Some other Internet references to the Xaverian Brothers running St. Mary's Industrial School during Babe Ruth's days there are http://www.davidbstinsonauthor.com/tag/st-marys-industrial-school-for-boys/ , https://www.deadballbaseball.com/?p=1678 , https://entertainment.howstuffworks.com/babe-ruth2.htm , and http://livingthecharism.com/saint-marys-industrial-home-a-grateful-look-at-the-past/ . Note that this last reference is to a Xaverian Brothers' web site. JacquotFresne (talk) 04:27, 17 January 2018 (UTC)