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The main project page has been updated with a members section, resources section and template section. Northamerica1000^(talk) 08:47, 11 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Cleanup taskforce

You might consider merging the inactive WP:Cleanup taskforce into your group. See WP:INACTIVEWP for information. Also, you should probably create a redirect here from WP:WikiProject Cleanup so that more people can find you, and also list your group at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory/Wikipedia#Maintenance. WhatamIdoing (talk) 05:55, 1 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Nb. I have added a listing for the project to Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory/Wikipedia § Maintenance (diff), and the inactive Cleanup taskforce presently has a hatnote informing readers about this project, which should likely suffice. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 06:23, 21 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Cleanup categories merger proposals

I noticed an overlap in cleanup categories, so I proposed that Category:All articles needing cleanup be merged into Category:All pages needing cleanup and that Category:Wikipedia pages needing cleanup be merged into Category:Articles needing cleanup.

Thoughts? Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2017 March 2

CoolieCoolster (talk) 01:31, 2 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. Basically the cleanup categories need some cleaning up themselves. SpiritedMichelle (talk) 02:04, 23 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Articles with incorrect citation syntax

(Moved this general post below here from Wikipedia:Cleanup). North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 15:04, 27 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Articles with incorrect citation syntax - As part of the migration to Lua-based citations, we have been able to track and identify many additional types of incomplete and malformed citations. This has led to a backlog of pages that are newly recognized as needing citation cleanup. Any friendly wikignomes that want to help out would certainly be appreciated. Dragons flight (talk) 00:42, 6 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

New ways to Promote WP:CLEAN

Copied from User talk:Northamerica1000

I have been noticing that "Project Cleanup" has only two prominent editors to it. You and I. Project Cleanup is supported to be a place where wikipedians can post articles that they think need cleaning up but it seems the only people posting new articles are you and I. I looked back at the archive and it seemed at some points, many wikipedians were posting on Project Cleanup.

I do not want this project to die out like others are.

Do you think there are anymore ways of promoting people to put submissions on the page? Could you try to put more advertisement up on the maintenance page like "Post your project to cleanup" I think that if more people saw banners, we would have more participation.

One idea I had was to have a bot dump random articles(preferably older) from "Category:Articles needing cleanup" maybe weekly. A dump system would give us many articles to cleanup and would help us reduce the backlog of cleanup templates.

I hope you can help benefit Project Cleanup. Keep up the good work. AmericanAir88 (talk) 21:15, 8 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi AmericanAir88 Nice ideas. I will provide a detailed response in the next 24 to 48 hours or so. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 06:01, 9 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hey chaps, I'd like to help, too. Hit me up. A Train^talk 13:17, 9 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you so much User:A Train and User:Northamerica1000 AmericanAir88 (talk) 19:07, 9 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Discussion

@AmericanAir88 and A Train: After thinking matters over, I'm against the cleanup list being populated by a bot. Human-picked entries are more personal in nature, and these articles are actually viewed by humans. Also, use of a bot could have the reverse of the intended effect, driving people away, who may feel that bot-generated entries are impersonal, or that they would then just go to various cleanup categories.
Here are some ideas to promote the project:

I agree with including wording that promotes the posting of entries on the project's main page, and this could potentially be added to Wikipedia:Maintenance in a brief manner somehow.
The main project page's lead could be rewritten to be more concise, and the area to post entries could be made more obvious. An idea is to place revised (more concise) intro content into a {{sidebar}}, so that the first actual content on the page's body is the actual listings and posting area. This would make the page much more accessible for posting and immediately seeing entries. At the very least, this would make the page easier to navigate.
Send {{WikiProject Cleanup invitation}}s to users who engage in cleanup activities to join the project, using {{subst:WikiProject Cleanup invitation}}.
Contact present project members on their talk pages via mass messenging, stating general news, encouraging posts, and inviting people to check in on the page every now and then. A newsletter could be created to perform this.
Maybe contact users who have dated posts on the page to consider withdrawing the respective dated nominations. If a post is over a year old and has received no work from the project, it may sit for quite some time, creating a permanent backlog of entries on the page that are never addressed. This can make the project look stale.
Maybe consider archiving posts that are dated over a year, stating so on the main project page.
Possibly include a very short mention on the {{Cleanup}} template about the option to post to the page.

Note that I'm on semi-wikibreak right now due to other matters in life. I can likely perform some of the above, but cannot guarantee having time to perform all of it. I think revising the lead and moving some content to a sidebar would be a good starting point. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 09:07, 11 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Northamerica1000: @Northamerica1000: These are fantastic ideas. I will get right on it. Thank you. I do ask how we can drive people to the page. We need to use words that tell people that you can post your articles on the page and they will be cleaned up. We need to see more people posting on the page. Have any suggestions? You are an administrator, any way to promote with others or on big pages like the community portal? I was thinking maybe say on the portal "Post pages that need cleanup on WP:CLEAN." or something. Comment with any additional ideas. Thank you for your participation. Enjoy your semi-wikibreak, I hope all goes well in life. AmericanAir88 (talk) 02:22, 12 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@AmericanAir88 and A Train: Regarding point #2 above, I have modified the main project page. In the process, I have moved and consolidated information to simplify the page and designed the page so posts are located directly below the page headers. Here is some of the work performed:

Created a new sidebar at Wikipedia:Cleanup/Information sidebar. Moved content previously at Template:Wikipedia:Cleanup\Header to this page.
Moved the lengthy {{resources for collaboration}} template to the project's Resources page
Updated the project's Tabbed header

– North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 07:23, 13 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@AmericanAir88 and A Train: (and anyone else interested): I propose that entries over a year old on the main project page should be archived. If nobody works on a posted article for a year, it may never receive edits from project members or others that visit this page. This will serve to keep the page current, as opposed to having a permanent unnecessary backlog. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 08:08, 13 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I think that's a great idea, Northamerica1000; the backlog for a project like this could be theoretically infinite, and long backlogs are intimidating. A Train^talk 08:13, 13 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Northamerica1000: Totally agree, I'll get to work on it. 01:41, 14 October 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by AmericanAir88 (talk • contribs) [reply]

Archiving Done. It has been over seven days and no objections have been posted. Entries dated over one year on the main project page have been archived to Wikipedia:Cleanup/Archive 11. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 05:13, 21 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Question

I just received an invitation to join this project. I had never seen it before, so was interested. I'm just curious what the difference between this project and TAFI is. Are there articles that would be more appropriate for one and not the other? – Corinne (talk) 18:09, 25 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I think there are more than enough articles for there to be multiple projects focused on improving them. That said, I am curious how many of the articles listed on User:power~enwiki can/should be added here. power~enwiki (π, ν) 20:19, 25 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Corinne: This is where users can post articles they feel need work. Users who are part of the project will then cleanup the article. It is different to TAFI as for TAFI, you have to nominate it where as for Project Cleanup you can post and get instant feedback. Project Cleanup members also can help reduce the backlog of articles that need cleanup, via maintenance tags. Honestly, I prefer WP:CLEAN as it is way more active and provides all types of support to articles. I wish TAFI was more active... Its starting to become abandoned. AmericanAir88 (talk) 00:22, 26 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Tidy replacement

Hi everyone. I noticed there's new traffic around this WP project: good luck! I thought I might suggest an area where you could join forces with WP:WikiProject Check Wikipedia, maybe?

You may be aware that the Parsing team wants to replace Tidy with a RemexHTML-based solution on the Wikimedia cluster by June 2018. This will require editors to fix pages and templates to address wikitext patterns that behave differently with RemexHTML. Please see the "What editors will need to do" section on the Tidy replacement FAQ. We have tried to make the instructions as plain as possible so that anyone could figure out what to do. Also, mw:Help:Extension:Linter#Tools is a place to collect scripts/tools/anything that's helpful - you don't need to apply fixes manually, unless you want to! Work is ongoing, but operations seem to go a bit slowly at this wiki, which is a bit surprising when you consider it's the largest community. More specifically, it looks like people are starting to fix the issues in the low priority categories, rather than in the high ones :)

Please do ping (User:SSastry (WMF)) if you have any questions or concerns, ideas about how to get more people involved here or communications venues we haven't explored yet. Here's a link to the latest update he provided on wikitech-l, and to some of the most recent stats available. We hope this helps, and are looking forward to your crucial support! Elitre (WMF) (talk) 15:53, 26 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

A metric to warm your heart and sustain your editing

{{notice|{{Graph:PageViews|365}}|heading=Daily page views |center=y |image=Open data small color.png}} I've been putting that on some of the talk pages of articles I've worked on. Gives you a feel for the utility of your efforts. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 21:23, 28 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

A couple of useful tools

Hi everyone! I was recently invited to this project. I have a couple of tools that I made a while ago that some of the editors here might find useful:

toolforge:apersonbot/cat-track, which tracks the sizes of a bunch of backlogs, and
toolforge:yabbr, which is an experimental tool I made that shows only relevant wikitext sections while you try to go through a backlog. For example, when you run it on Category:Pages with duplicate reference names, instead of wading through all of the wikitext in the page, you only see the wikitext corresponding to the problematic references.

Hope these are useful! Enterprisey (talk!) 21:08, 29 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Enterprisey: Thanks for posting the resources. You should consider posting these links at Wikipedia:Cleanup § Tools. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 01:31, 30 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 11 November 2017

This edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request.

119.160.118.211 (talk) 10:32, 11 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Not done. An actual request has not been presented here. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 11:30, 11 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

George Mandel

This article needs a lot cleanup, it is very disorganized, and has a few edits by somebody claiming to be his daughter. The one about him serving in ww2 is at least partly correct, I was able to find his enlistment record (https://aad.archives.gov/aad/record-detail.jsp?dt=893&mtch=3&cat=all&tf=F&q=Mandel+George&bc=&rpp=10&pg=1&rid=2841531&rlst=2841531,3875337,5779849), but have no idea how to fix the overall article — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:6000:1209:809A:7917:657F:8F12:F348 (talk) 06:23, 15 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

RfC notice

There is an RfC at one of the cleanup templates in scope of this project, Template talk:COI, proposing changes to the conditions whereby the template may be removed for lack of discussion. --RexxS (talk) 19:58, 9 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Question

What is wrong with the article 2011 Samsung Mobile 500.ping to reply.Kpgjhpjm (talk) 15:50, 16 May 2018 (UTC) Kpgjhpjm (talk) 15:50, 16 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Not much - now done. Johnbod (talk) 16:36, 16 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

User box

Is there a user box for this group? A 10 iceplane (talk) 15:41, 23 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

{{WikiProject Cleanup userbox}} There ya go :) --LichWizard talk 16:23, 23 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

that as simple,ci feel stupid, thank you LichWizard for your help A 10 iceplane (talk) 16:45, 23 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

No problem, glad I could help! --LichWizard talk 17:26, 23 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 23 May 2018

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Substantial edits need to be made to the Kilpatrick Townsend & Stockton page. I've tried to make these edits, but am not getting anywhere. Most of the issues are sources, which I've tried to correct, but am now being told I am a close connection with the subject, which isn't true. Msmwiki0403 (talk) 20:33, 23 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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 ::: No problem, glad I could help! --[[User:LichWizard|<span style="background-color: black; color: grey">LichWizard</span>]] [[User talk:LichWizard|<span style="background-color: grey; color: black">talk</span>]] 17:26, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
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+Substantial edits need to be made to the Kilpatrick Townsend & Stockton page. I've tried to make these edits, but am not getting anywhere. Most of the issues are sources, which I've tried to correct, but am now being told I am a close connection with the subject, which isn't true. [[User:Msmwiki0403|Msmwiki0403]] ([[User talk:Msmwiki0403|talk]]) 20:33, 23 May 2018 (UTC)