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:::::: I totally agree. We'd need a clear consensus first. -- [[User:BullRangifer|BullRangifer]] ([[User talk:BullRangifer|talk]]) 21:52, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
:::::: I totally agree. We'd need a clear consensus first. -- [[User:BullRangifer|BullRangifer]] ([[User talk:BullRangifer|talk]]) 21:52, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
:::::: Agreed. [[User:SPECIFICO |<b style="color: #0011FF;"> SPECIFICO</b>]][[User_talk:SPECIFICO | ''talk'']] 22:56, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
:::::: Agreed. [[User:SPECIFICO |<b style="color: #0011FF;"> SPECIFICO</b>]][[User_talk:SPECIFICO | ''talk'']] 22:56, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

== Jewish or latino, or both, or nothing? ==

I don't get if Zimmerman is a Jewish name, or a latino name.

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Trayvon Martin Foundation

The Trayvon Martin Foundation, founded by his parents, is probably worth talking about. I don't know all that much about it, though. -- SatanicSanta 04:35, 7 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Article title change suggestion

This article should not be called "Shooting of Trayvon Martin"; instead, it should be called "Shooting death of Trayvon Martin". It's the fact that he died which made this story so notable. 98.118.62.140 (talk) 14:50, 3 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Or "Killing of Trayvon Martin" ? Do you have RS for the distinction you're suggesting is key here? SPECIFICO talk 15:31, 3 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, a plethora of them. And taken in aggregate, they make clear that this was notable largely in part because Trayvon died. See this google search: https://www.google.com/search?q=trayvon+martin 98.118.62.140 (talk) 15:35, 3 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Killing of Trayvon Martin makes sense. It's a redirect now, but should be the article title. -- BullRangifer (talk) 16:29, 3 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
1. "largely in part" is an oxymoron. 2. If you have RS, you would need to provide plethora RS links with rationale, not a google link. 3. @BullRangifer: I would be OK with you making the change, swapping title and redirect. SPECIFICO talk 16:34, 3 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The phrase "largely in part", is not an oxymoron; and even it were, the meaning of what's being said is plain enough and doesn't diminish the fact that many, many news articles focused on the death of Trayvon as being a significant part of the story. It wasn't just black vs white (Hispanic) or older vs younger or gun vs no gun; rather it was the power disparity often suffered by young Black men - a disparity which sometimes results in their death. Xerton (talk) 21:05, 3 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
You appear to be arguing against the original poster's claim that the incident is notable only because Martin died. Did you mean to be responding to me or to OP? Your final "sometimes results in death" seems to agree with me and BullRangifer that the incident would have been notable because it's about an armed vigilante shooting, even if Mr. Martin had not been killed. Or are you favoring the current title over both of the two alternatives? My view is primarily to oppose "shooting death" SPECIFICO talk 21:28, 3 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Trayvon was shot and he did die from that shooting. And the farther in time we get away from the events of that day, the more important it is to capture the essential salient facts of that moment in time via a precise titling of what the event was. The event was the shooting death of Trayvon Martin and everything which followed after that stems from these two true facts: he was shot, he died from that shooting. Xerton (talk) 20:55, 4 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
If we have a consensus for that move, I'd be happy to try, but I'm not an admin. Sometimes that type of move requires admin tools. -- BullRangifer (talk) 16:40, 3 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I have those kinds of admin tools, and I'd be willing to move the article. But, not with this kind of discussion. I strongly recommend having another full RM discussion (and require some sort of discussion) before any moves are performed, given the controversial nature of this article (and also because at least three such discussions have taken place in the past, and some people might not agree to a move). SkyWarrior 21:16, 3 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I totally agree. We'd need a clear consensus first. -- BullRangifer (talk) 21:52, 3 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. SPECIFICO talk 22:56, 3 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Jewish or latino, or both, or nothing?

I don't get if Zimmerman is a Jewish name, or a latino name.

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