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Category:Coudenhove-Kalergi

Propose renaming Category:Coudenhove-Kalergi to Category:Coudenhove-Kalergi family

Nominator's rationale: Family categories in most countries are all like "Foo family". It appears that this convention has not been followed strictly with Category:Austrian noble families. Is there a reason? Do we need a wider discussion? Rathfelder (talk) 17:47, 8 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy rename per WP:C2D. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:41, 8 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I tried that and there was an objection. Rathfelder (talk) 22:50, 8 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That was because it is not a case of WP:C2C: sometimes "family" is used, sometimes "house of", sometimes nothing at all. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:56, 9 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Agree switch to. (e. g., Category:Beethoven family) YOKOTA Kuniteru (talk) 02:12, 9 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Fagus

Propose renaming:

Option A

Category:Fagus to Category:Fagus (plant)

Option B

Category:Fagus to Category:Beech

Nominator's rationale: The bare title Fagus is a disambiguation page, so some renaming is needed. The head article is Beech, and the scientific name Fagus (plant) (plant) redirects there. I am not sure which to use. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 00:01, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Rename in Some Fashion I'll defer to others on which title. RevelationDirect (talk) 00:56, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Rename to avoid ambiguity. Option A is consistent with the general usage of scientific names in biology categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:20, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Beech is clearly primary, by a mile. As so often, Bhg, it would be better to sort out these bogus disam pages, than mess about the categories. Failing that, option B seems far more sensible, unless there is some strong convention otherwise. Johnbod (talk) 00:38, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I'm more partial to option B, the common name here, since it seems that the "beech" name applies to all members of the genus, and only members of that genus, which is not always the case for common names. The other consideration, of course, is that the main article is at Beech. bibliomaniac 1 5 03:25, 5 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Option A, per the convention of using scientific names in categorization—e.g., Fir/Category:Abies, Pine/Category:Pinus, Oak/Category:Quercus, and so on. -- Black Falcon ^(talk) 22:14, 2 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Izno (talk) 17:16, 8 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Mayors of populated places

Propose merging:

Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT, just one article in each of these categories and they are not part of a large overall accepted sub-categorization scheme. This is follow-up on this earlier discussion; @BrownHairedGirl, WilliamJE, and ItsPugle: pinging contributors to that discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:58, 8 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per nom. Thanks for the ping too 🙂 ItsPugle (please use {{ping|ItsPugle}} on reply) 23:26, 8 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Coordinates on Wikidata

Propose deleting Category:Coordinates on Wikidata (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Three years after the previous no consensus CfD, this cat has grown to more than 1 million articles, and still no indication of what it possibly could be used for. The cat doesn't indicate any need for action (not here and not even on Wikidata), any error or potential error... it's just tracking for the sake of tracking. Why we should need or want to check some Wikidata property on enwiki is not clear, neither is why we shouldn't then track all other Wikidata properties in the same way (Category:Property "Human" on Wikidata anyone?). Yes, it is possible, and it is even vaguely conceivable that someone finds it interesting once in a blue moon. But it isn't remotely useful to improve enwiki or Wikidata. Fram (talk) 10:55, 8 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 13:17, 8 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Wikidata:Coordinates tracking may be of interest, though it still does not clarify what purpose this tracking serves... -- Black Falcon ^(talk) 17:43, 9 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Grammy Award

Propose deleting Category:Grammy Award for Best Soundtrack Album (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Grammy Award for Best Soundtrack Album was created in 2000 and renamed in 2001 to Grammy Award for Best Compilation Soundtrack for Visual Media Category:Grammy Award for Best Compilation Soundtrack for Visual Media so no need in two identical categories, its useless double with the exactly same winners.

Category:Template loop warnings

Propose merging Category:Template loop warnings to Category:Pages with template loops

Nominator's rationale: This category is populated by the MediaWiki:Parser-template-loop-warning message, and only works when the template loop ends up directly in the final output, and not, say, inside of an {{#if}} conditional. Category:Pages with template loops is populated directly by the MediaWiki software, and includes template loops no matter where they end up. This category is wholly redundant to that one. Jackmcbarn (talk) 06:01, 8 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This sounds like an argument for deletion, not a merge, since there's nothing to merge, but it does make sense, so Delete * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 13:18, 8 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Pppery: Yeah, I was actually on the fence as to whether to call this a "deletion" or a "merge". My thought was that after we stop populating this category, we may want to leave its description page around with {{Category redirect}} instead of deleting it altogether, although if anyone disagrees, I don't feel particularly strongly about that. Jackmcbarn (talk) 17:08, 8 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Just for info. At Cfd a merge means that the 14 user pages in this category should be moved to Category:Pages with template loops. With deletion those 14 pages will not be moved to Category:Pages with template loops. In any case no category redirect is created unless you specify that separately. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:08, 9 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Marcocapelle: Every page in Category:Template loop warnings is already in Category:Pages with template loops too. Jackmcbarn (talk) 06:15, 9 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ok in that case delete and merge have the same effect. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:34, 9 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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 ==== Category:Coordinates on Wikidata ====
 :* '''Propose deleting''' {{lc|Coordinates on Wikidata}}<br />
-:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Three years after the previous no consensus CfD, this cat has grown to more than 1 million articles, and still no indication of what it possibly could be used for.
+:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Three years after the previous no consensus CfD, this cat has grown to more than 1 million articles, and still no indication of what it possibly could be used for. The cat doesn't indicate any need for action (not here and not even on Wikidata), any error or potential error... it's just tracking for the sake of tracking. ''Why'' we should need or want to check some Wikidata property on enwiki is not clear, neither is why we shouldn't then track all other Wikidata properties in the same way ([[:Category:Property "Human" on Wikidata]] anyone?). Yes, it is possible, and it is even vaguely conceivable that someone finds it interesting once in a blue moon. But it isn't remotely useful to improve  enwiki or Wikidata. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram|talk]]) 10:55, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
-The cat doesn't indicate any need for action (not here and not even on Wikidata), any error or potential error... it's just tracking for the sake of tracking. ''Why'' we should need or want to check some Wikidata property on enwiki is not clear, neither is why we shouldn't then track all other Wikidata properties in the same way ([[:Category:Property "Human" on Wikidata]] anyone?). Yes, it is possible, and it is even vaguely conceivable that someone finds it interesting once in a blue moon. But it isn't remotely useful to improve  enwiki or Wikidata. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram|talk]]) 10:55, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
 * '''Delete''' per nom. [[User:Pppery|* Pppery *]] [[User talk:Pppery|<sub style="color:#800000">it has begun...</sub>]] 13:17, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
+* [[:d:Wikidata:Coordinates tracking|Wikidata:Coordinates tracking]] may be of interest, though it still does not clarify what purpose this tracking serves... -- [[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]] <sup>([[User talk:Black Falcon|talk]])</sup> 17:43, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 ==== Grammy Award ====