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Any proposal to make London a 5th constituent country, separate from England? And what would be the terminology for this idea? [[Special:Contributions/2600:1012:B026:A94C:0:4E:7CD0:A301|2600:1012:B026:A94C:0:4E:7CD0:A301]] ([[User talk:2600:1012:B026:A94C:0:4E:7CD0:A301|talk]]) 06:31, 19 August 2020 (UTC) |
Any proposal to make London a 5th constituent country, separate from England? And what would be the terminology for this idea? [[Special:Contributions/2600:1012:B026:A94C:0:4E:7CD0:A301|2600:1012:B026:A94C:0:4E:7CD0:A301]] ([[User talk:2600:1012:B026:A94C:0:4E:7CD0:A301|talk]]) 06:31, 19 August 2020 (UTC) |
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:See [[London independence]].... and [[WP:CRYSTAL]]. [[User:Ghmyrtle|Ghmyrtle]] ([[User talk:Ghmyrtle|talk]]) 08:38, 19 August 2020 (UTC) |
:See [[London independence]].... and [[WP:CRYSTAL]]. [[User:Ghmyrtle|Ghmyrtle]] ([[User talk:Ghmyrtle|talk]]) 08:38, 19 August 2020 (UTC) |
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::That article is about making London a sovereign ''nation'', as a city-state outside UK. I'm talking about London separated from England as a country within UK alongside England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. What terms are used to describe this and is there information on the proposal? [[Special:Contributions/2606:6000:60CC:C900:CD31:1CFE:179D:44B|2606:6000:60CC:C900:CD31:1CFE:179D:44B]] ([[User talk:2606:6000:60CC:C900:CD31:1CFE:179D:44B|talk]]) 01:22, 20 August 2020 (UTC) |
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Northern Ireland
Northern Ireland is not a country. It is a province. Kbimbatti22 (talk) 01:39, 17 November 2017 (UTC)
- This has been extensively discussed on this talk page, including at Talk:Countries of the United Kingdom/Archive 4#NI is a "Province". That does not prevent us discussing it again, but please look though the earlier discussions archived at the links at the top of this page. Verbcatcher (talk) 03:28, 17 November 2017 (UTC)
RE undiscussed addition of symbols to the main map last month
On the 7th of March User:Ssolbergj changed the main labelled map to one with symbols: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Countries_of_the_United_Kingdom&diff=prev&oldid=886620129.
Personally I have no view either way on the debate over Northern Ireland's flag/coa, however it is not shown in the body of the article. Furthermore, I don't see what the flag/coas add to the map, which purpose is to show where four countries within the UK are located.
Does such a change not require discussion in the first place User:DIYeditor?
Rob984 (talk) 18:36, 21 April 2019 (UTC)
- Ok, makes sense. I wasn't able to tell from the edit summary that this was the reason. —DIYeditor (talk) 18:42, 21 April 2019 (UTC)
- Northern Ireland doesn't have a flag - the use of the red hand of Ulster is deeply controversial -----Snowded TALK 19:12, 21 April 2019 (UTC)
Identity and nationality
If country means territory, why is there such a detailed section about nations (people) of the countries and whether they identify as British first or second? It seems to me that this section should be reduced to a summary paragraph with a header to a more detailed article.
However assuming there is a consensus to keep the details that are currently in the section. I think there is an issue. In the section Identity and nationality it states
- "white English people perceived themselves as English first and as British second, and most people from ethnic minority backgrounds perceived themselves as British, but none identified as English, a label they associated exclusively with white people"
In the next paragraph
- However, "English participants tended to think of themselves as indistinguishably English or British,..."
Both can not be true simultaneously, so they contradict each other. As they express points of view they ought to carry in-text attribution (with dates) and any conclusions drawn should not be in the passive narrative voice of Wikipedia, but expressed with in-text attribution. -- PBS (talk) 09:41, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
London
Any proposal to make London a 5th constituent country, separate from England? And what would be the terminology for this idea? 2600:1012:B026:A94C:0:4E:7CD0:A301 (talk) 06:31, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
- See London independence.... and WP:CRYSTAL. Ghmyrtle (talk) 08:38, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
- That article is about making London a sovereign nation, as a city-state outside UK. I'm talking about London separated from England as a country within UK alongside England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. What terms are used to describe this and is there information on the proposal? 2606:6000:60CC:C900:CD31:1CFE:179D:44B (talk) 01:22, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
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