User talk:Francis Tyers/Archive8

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... the third party's weapon is not a self loading rifle but his ability without force or threats to persuade both sides to avoid violence and settle their differences by peaceful means ... - The Peacekeeper's Handbook

To be unpopular with both sides at the same time is probably the best pointer to the fact that one is performing one's duties correctly and with impartiality. - The Peacekeeper's Handbook

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I archive my talk page when it gets longer than is preferable. You should too!

• User talk:Francis Tyers/Archive1 (18:58, 25 December 2004 — 18:17, 22 December 2005)
• User talk:Francis Tyers/Archive2 (18:17, 22 December 2005 — 01:40, 06 January 2006)
• User talk:Francis Tyers/Archive3 (01:40, 06 January 2006 — 11:14, 3 March 2006)
• User talk:Francis Tyers/Archive4 (11:14, 3 March 2006 — 01:59, 28 April 2006)
• User talk:Francis Tyers/Archive5 (01:59, 28 April 2006 — 19:00, 1 June 2006)
• User talk:Francis Tyers/Archive6 (19:00, 1 June 2006 — 17:25, 25 July 2006)
• User talk:Francis Tyers/Archive7 (17:25, 25 July 2006 — 17:20, 19 November 2006)

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Stop! Engage brain! Are you looking for the Macedonian Wikipedians' notice board?

I confuzzled :D

I don't know where to write to yah posts. :) --PaxEquilibrium 18:24, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Hey man

Hi Francis. But weren't you an admin? -- Szvest Ω ^{Wiki Me Up ®} 14:02, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Oh man! Well, at the end it is a wise idea if you feel ok w/ it. -- Szvest Ω ^{Wiki Me Up ®} 14:10, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Help with Ataturk

Hello, there's some debate going on at the Ataturk page about a criticism section - currently there is none. I've seen you edit some articles before and saw you were on the mediation cabal, interested in checking it out? Currently the page is blocked for all editors after lots of reverts and such. Thanks. --AW 17:32, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! That was fast. The "Suggestion" part above that has been the subject of the most debate. --AW 17:38, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Cat:Tajikistani_people_stubs

See [1]. Jahangard 07:14, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

See the rest of discussion. Isn't this [2] an unjustified personal attack? Jahangard 09:27, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Also, look at an old related discussion [3]. Jahangard 07:31, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Its kind of silly to have it in the Category for Asian people stubs. If anything it should be in Tajikistan people stubs or Central Asian people stubs.

There is no such category, as you would know if you had been following the debates on both Tajik-bio-stub and this, its successor, at WP:SFD and WP:WSS/P. But you haven't been following those debates - only seeing those partys of them that Jahangard has pointed you to - so you won't know the decision reached at the first of them, which was to have it at the perfectly sensible Cat:Asian people stubs until such time as it grows to the threshold required for its own stub category, at which point it will logically be moved to the currently non-existent Cat:Tajikistani people stubs. Jahangard seems to think that the template points at Category:Asian people, which has thousands of articles. it doesn't - it points to Category:Asian people stubs, which has 131 articles, already towards the lower end of the optimim size for a stub category, as explained at WP:STUB. Currently, there are far too few stubs for such a separate category to be considered for either central asian people stubs or for Tajikistani people stubs; creating the former would leave Asian people stubs with well below the optimum number of stubs, creating the latter would lead to a category with only some 25 stubs (60 is regarded as the minimum requirement for stub categories). This would all have been clear to you if you had taken time to follow the discussions and check the guiding principles used for stub categories, rather than simply reverting my attempts to make this template conform to the decisions reached at WP:SFD in October. Please, in future, check out all the facts relating to an issue before leaping to the defence of someone who is trying to unilaterally overturn a decision taken less than a month ago. Grutness...wha? 09:45, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

unilaterally overturn a decision taken less than a month ago?!! [4] has nothing to do with Category:Asian people stubs and its inclusion in that template. My edit didn't overturn any result of that discussion. Also, being a sysop doesn't give you the previledge to label other users as vandals (without a reasonable justification). Jahangard 10:02, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

As I said...It is kind of silly to have them in that Category.

Not silly at all. Standard stub-sorting practice, in fact. If there are not enough stubs for a separate category, then the template is upmerged into whatever is the most appropriate higher category. Since tajikistan is undoubtedly in Asia, then stubs on Tajikistan people are categorised both as Tajikistan stubs and as Asian people stubs. It's a system which works very well with very very few complaints (in fact, in the two years I've been stub-sorting, this is to my knowledge the first complaint about upmerged categories I've come across. Grutness...wha? 10:14, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

However... if you note my response on J's page,

Difficult one. While I can understand their point of view (it isn't worth having a stub type for only a few articles), I think this is more of a problem of systemic bias rather than "not enough" (e.g. I'm certain there are over 60 notable Tajiks). Perhaps we should just get on creating Tajik people stubs until we have enough for a category? - Francis Tyers · 08:50, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

If you note my response on WP:WSS/P, you'll see this is pretty much what i suggested too: If you can find another 30-35 stubs which can be marked with this template, then there will be no problem creating such a category - but until there are that many, directing it to the larger categories is a more sensible thing to do. Grutness...wha? 10:14, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

BTW, since Jahangard seems more intent on yelling at me than at trying to get a few more articles, I've been making a few myself. You might like to see whether you can expand the barely-one-line stubs I've made on Ismoil Talbakov, Abduhalim Ghafforov, Amir Qoraqulov, Olimzon Boboyev, and Davlat Ismonov. Five down, 28 to go... Grutness...wha? 10:54, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

And thats 60. Could you advise the next course of action please?

Already done. I've updated the information at WP:WSS/P. With that many stubs, a separate category is now both viable and appropriate. The debate should still be allowed to run for a while before creation - officially it's supposed to run a week, but under the circumstances, that will probably be reduced. Expect to see a category sometime very soon. Grutness...wha? 11:15, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the help.

Any time. Sorry to have been so grumpy! And now, since it's about half past midnight here, I think I'll call it quits for the night... Grutness...wha? 11:25, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Please go back and correct your articles. Category:Tajikistani politicians and only wikify Communist party of Tajikista Ernst Stavro Blofeld 11:34, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

They should look like Dzhabar Rasulovich Rasulov. the first secretary if not capitalized is misleading and makes it look like they were the first leader of the party. It should be First Secretary as it is a title . Ernst Stavro Blofeld 11:37, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Hola como estas mi amigo? Mi nombre es Ernst Stavro Blofeld, James Bond?. Vivo en un volcano en Japan!. Actualmente Gales. yes we should have an article named First Secretary of the Communist Party of Tajikistan linked to and from the main Communist Party of Tajikistan. You could state that it is a title of the party stae what it involves etc. Then you can list all of the politicans you have started to link it together. I think it is great you are going through Tajik politicians -it makes wikipedia less English centred and more global. I suggest you set up that article now Ernst Stavro Blofeld 11:41, 21 November 2006 (UTC) Good luck

Guitar

U iz looking cool man! DO you play guitar like myself? I play stuff like Hendrix and Joe Satriani and [Aerosmith]]. I play along with the dvds note for note! Ernst Stavro Blofeld 11:46, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

We have about twenty guitars in my house five are mine and 15 are my dads. I have a Fender Stat sky blue. Fender Telecaster royal purple, a Gibson Les Paul Epihpone Sunburst like (Slash) a Yamaha electro acoustic and a Tanglewood acoustic. I recently bought a Fender 200 Watt concert amp of ebay for £250! Usaully they are like £900! My dad even has like a mandolin and ukeleles and a sitar!

I know a musician when I see one. I tend to like you know your more classic Rock like Def Leppard and Whitesnake don't laugh and Led Zeppelin and that. I do like a bit of punk green day, blink 182 and the Sex Pistols and a bit of death metal Korn Slipknot but only in small doses a bit dark and heavy for me. I can almost play the Live in San Francisco Satriani dvd fully but some of his riffs are so difficult I do miss a note or two on the tapping parts. Steve Vai also is cool. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 11:57, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

I have heard of Opeth I think I saw them play in a Scandinavia Rock Festival on cable a year or two ago. they are great. I too like heavy metal but with emotion.Ernst Stavro Blofeld 12:13, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

I've seen Def Leppard four times! Heavy metal with emotion . I don't know whether you like them My sister has every album from On Through the Night to present stuff. They are amazing live. Hendrix is probably one of my heroes though. Nuts 60s stuff. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 12:17, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Mm. I don't know have had so many great songs. I dont know if you have seen Rock Star (film) . The band on it steel dragon was modelled on Def Leppard and Judas Priest. The film also starring jennifer Aniston had a few leppard songs on it. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 12:24, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Run to the hills baby yeah they rock. Leppard is very similar to these. How nuts is Ozzy osborne? Ernst Stavro Blofeld 12:26, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeah you should definately buy the film. try and pick a cheap one off of ebay or something. See Steel Dragon. it is modelled on leppard. Where do you live anyway? Ernst Stavro Blofeld 12:29, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Nice to finally find a cool wikipedian. Some of the users on here are way too serious and really suck. e.g User:gene Nygaard,.What a knob!! Nice speaking to u anyway. keep in touch and I may help you with Tajikistan some time or other. Its my day off today and I am just lounging around on my ass! I am currently concentrating on old films and actors from imdb which are about 0.0001% covered on wikipedia. See ya. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 12:36, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Oh yeah I absolutely agree with you. Just because it is english wikipedia doesn't mean it has too revolve around England and the United States. Wikipedia is alreasdy pretty impressive in places but if you think of everything that exist or has existed your looking at 1,000,000,000 articles plus. Recently I have been doing work on Finnish film. Finland has a major film industry of its own and many of the films are released in countries like ours and America in English but it is extremely poorly covered and in we of course know nothing about them. e.g Paha maaWikipedia needs to look at the planet as a whole from the perspective of different people -there are always diffrent ways at looking at the world. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 13:05, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeah to be honest with you what got me started on it is that something led me to a Finnish actor I think I was categorizing it for someone else and I saw his filmography. There was like 200 films on there all with red links and it made wikipedia look really crap. Then I checked out the Internet Movie Database on category Finland and you'll see the vast majority and of film in general is totally missing. And I thought wow. All the info of it was missing. and then you look at Category:American actors and it dawns on you how Anglo American/English wikipedia is. - how completely one sided it is. Even if they are just stubs I figure articles like Timo Koivusalo and the quite fit Pamela Tola help out. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 13:49, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Hey see I have just looked at Timo Koivusalo. I only wrote the first sentence and his filmogrpahy. Some finnish wikipedian has written all of it! Ernst Stavro Blofeld 13:53, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

I am also very interested in Tibet. I did quite a lot of work a few months back on some monasteries such as starting Shalu Monastery, Ramoche Temple, Tashilhunpo and 95% of the owrk on the great Potala Palace is mine. Very little of Tibet was covered on wikipedia so I expanded it a little. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 14:00, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Also i am gradually working on Seven Years in Tibet and trying to make it a featured article. I am about half way through it.Ernst Stavro Blofeld 14:05, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks mate that means a lot to me. I don't know about the Potala but I know I can make Seven years into a good articles even a feature. I ought to concentrate on it really. I am about half way though the film itself but I need to complete it all ,I have a book on it so I could have a paragraph comparing the book and the film and I also plan a detailed parapraph on the filming of it by Jean Jacques Annaud. At present the section from Film synopsis to Controversy cover every part of the film so far!Ernst Stavro Blofeld 15:50, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

THe end result should be three or four times longer than at present. Do you reckon I should go for it. and add citations but most of it is from my mind! Ernst Stavro Blofeld 15:53, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Khorog and Kizilbash

I had proposed moving this titles long time ago and there is no objection (see their talk pages). Could you please move them to Khorugh and Qizilbash. Jahangard 21:57, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Congratulations!

I see you have finished your MA. Now, take a deep breath and move on to the next step. -- Donald Albury 00:34, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Request

HI there is also an [[5]] (Armeniapedia). I know you worked on moderation of some issues. I am wondering if you can change your opinion on [6]. Since you are reasonable person. I support Armeniapedia and WikIran as well. Thanks for your help. --alidoostzadeh 03:04, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

HI it is not about putting such articles on wikipedia more than introducing an encyclopedic work..--alidoostzadeh 01:07, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Politics of Transnistria again

Thanks Francis, for your thoughts about Politics of Transnistria article. The reason I asked you to mediate the dispute between me and Mauco was that previously he wrote about you [7] "Francis Tyers is a better wikipedian than most of us". I considered that he will accept your thoughts as a neutral person, however it seems he is accepting your opinions only when it fits with his agenda. He again removed from the article the information about the closure of Communist Party office in Transnistria and he obtained article's protection. In talk page you can see that he was the only one against this inclusion, and 4 wikipedians considered the inclusion relevant (me, you, Dpotop and TSO1D). I don't know what to do in this situation, maybe you can advise me, as having more experience in Wikipedia. Did Mauco have veto rights in Wikipedia about Transnistria-related articles? The community is considering relevant the inclusion of the information about the closure of Communist party office, only Mauco oppose, should the community accept Mauco's demand? I am requesting your help for unprotecting the article and including the information about Communist Party office closure.--MariusM 13:44, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Reply

Dear Francis, i always read before i revert. a line above is written Slavic speakers were encouraged to change their Slavic surnames to Greek sounding surnames. in the line i reverted it says other names simply reverted into Greek... returning to.... why isn't there any note that those 'Zografos' were previously slavicised (even as a possibility)? in that way it seems as if all of them had to (?) change their surnames. btw, since Zografos is a popular surname in Greece, north, west, south, everywhere..., i would like to see a clear reference for that-i wouldn't like the readers to believe that a greek by that surname was previously a so-called "Macedonian" or whatever... Regards (see my comment in respective talk). Hectorian 18:42, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

And see again:) Hectorian 18:49, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

The earth was round etc

You are kidding, right? I mean about comparing flat earth with 'Macedonian'; or perhaps you are collecting answers to bizzar suggestions. Why not?! But just in case... If we are quoting people stating that the earth is flat, we would use the same words. For the Mac lang we have no worthy quotes of a "Macedonian language" before 1940s. Those dialect could have been standardised in any number of 'new' languages, as well as into Serbian or Bulgarian. For that matter, the Slavic idioms of Greece could also be standardised into a more Hellenic new language.

By the way, when was English officially standardised? Make sure you publish the results of your research when you find out.

Retroactive comes from the French and is a compound of Latin terms. Politis 19:08, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Francis, I am having trouble following your 'reasoning'. You wrote to me, "Hi, you seem to have got the impression that before a language is standardized, it cannot exist. If that were so, there would be no English language.” Then you go on an concur with me that it was never officially standardized. Such contradictory (mischevous?) reasoning leaves too many loose ends, in fact, rather like the reasoning that distorts and re-invents history for using retroactively the term Macedonia (what I would call, the ‘Da Vinci Code’ school of history).

You say that the term has been updated. By who? There are probably more people who disagree with the update. What happened to them? An updated term is a suitable transition so long as it does not re-write the past. For instance, vacuum cleaner became Hoover, portable music gadget became a walkman. That is fine. But we need to take stock of the consequences and of historiagraphy when we suggest updating terms such as Bulgarian, Macedonian (meaning Greek or the ethnic ‘salad’ of the region of Macedonia), South Slavic dialects, etc… into an ethnically purified ‘Macedonian’. In fact, it would have been fine to do so, if the descriptive term was instantly recognizable and contextualized by its users/consumers. But it is not; it usurps and even sends off the Slav Macedonians of Fyrom/Rom into incoherent directions. That is why we need to add qualitatives next to it: Greek Macedonia, Republic of Nova Makedonija, Slav Macedonian, Bulgarian Macedonian, etc…

Finally, it is churlish to "piss off” people on any grounds and hardly :-). Politis 15:04, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Tajik alphabet

Hi,

Why did you delete the new samples [8]? Jahangard 19:09, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Moldovan upset :)

You said some things about me on Talk:Politics of Transnistria#Ok, I'll bite. I left you a message there asking you to clarify what it is about, or retract. I'm only talking about your statements concerning me. Dpotop 21:32, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but you failed to explicitly retract. Dpotop 09:23, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

MKA

Please take a look Talk:Mustafa Kemal Atatürk. Regards. Must^TC 18:34, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Category:Tajikistani people stubs...

...has now been created :) Thanks for all the help with getting it up to a reasonable size! Grutness...wha? 22:44, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Don't erase the historical points, please!

Please, Francis, I am a Macedonian trying to say something relevant to the language I'm speaking at home. Why on earth deleting the relevant facts and leaving only the irrelevant ones from the Macedonian and Serbian PoV's? They have thier right to be there, it's bloody POINT OF VIEW, it does not have to be neither accurate nor impartial! I mean, when we made this article, we put all the disputed facts into this area, just to say to the readers: Hmmm, look what all the different people and propagandas think about one official and lining language. It should be the same with Galician language or so. Let them all say what they sincerely feel. That's why the title stands: Political Views of Macedonian language. Probably there's a bit of truth in every one of them, but they cannot all be trusted. For Christ's sake, I at least am not a nationalist, haha, I tried to create this page to let everybody say what they feel, although there's not many places where you can read so many facts from different historical books from different nations. Even in Wikipedia. Zikica

this is the copy of my letter to VMRO:

look, man, it's not a BS. Source? Krste Misirkov: Za Makedonckite raboti, how more Macedonian should it be? Well, as a person of mixed Shop-Macedonian ancestry, I have my relatives in 3 countries, and they switch nationalities easily, according to the current propaganda. It always amazed me how my grandfather had several last names during his life, without even noticing it. So, I can see you consider yourself a Bulgarian, it's OK. I don't want to precise, although in my birthlist it's written: Serb. I am in a process of obtaining the Bulgarian citizenship, because I also feel Bulgaria as my country. This is a trick of Shop and Macedonian identity: it could be very "multiplied". But to tell you the truth, I would only accept the Bulgarian nationality, for example, I would decline from the Slovenian or some other passport, no matter they are in the EU. It is not a matter of free travel, more like a matter of national feeling. My cousin in Skopje is a fierce VMRO Macedonian nationalist, and he is also in the process. How very strange. He spends days and night in fighting Bulgarians on the Web, but applied for the citizenship. So, I would like to say the following: Tell me which passage from the Macedonian View bothers you, and I will quote it. If anything is wrong, I will be glad to improve it. Greetings! Zhix 17:59, 17:59, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:VMRO"

Your opinion

Hi Francis. Please let me know your opinion on this. No explanation for revert in talk page. Don't understand what consensus to seek, I asked your intervention exactly for consensus, as I know that previously you were a mediator agreed by Mauco. 4 wikipedians want to put information about Communist Party office closure, I've put the paragraph in your compromise proposal form, but it seems somebody want veto rights on Transnistria related articles on Wikipedia.--MariusM 23:47, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Zeb-un-Nissa

I just wanted to know a little bit about the photo of Zeb-un-Nissa that you added. Would you please tell me about the book from which you scanned it? It's author, date and place of publication. Thank you Ariana310 12:43, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Turkish Revenge Brigade

As per the MoS, please don't wikilink random years, as you did in Turkish Revenge Brigade. Thanks! ShakingSpirit^talk 14:43, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

You'll like it

See User:NikoSilver/Nationality quiz. It was partly inspired by your deleted 'Nationalist test' and the Genographic Project. Enjoy! NikoSilver 13:56, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Re: Tajik lexicon etc.

Thanks for letting me know about this. I'll forward this to a guy I know who speaks English, Russian, Arabic, and is learning Tajik. Any plans on using this lexicon for computational purposes? –jonsafari 22:34, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Re: Tajik

Sorry, my skills in Tajik are very limited at best. :-( — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tajik24 (talk • contribs) 01:14, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

From Evlekis

Hi. I admit that even now has been a quite a while as I write to you. There is one in Sheppard's Bush called Skaradlija. Until some time ago there was a Spanish theme place where old diasporans would meet and that was La Baraca (Notting Hill). A Greek themed restaurant was open Sunday evenings for Yugoslav functions, that was in Bayswater (El Greko) and in Fulham there is a restaurant behind Sveti Sava church run by Serbs (but that tends to attract only Orthodox people, so very few Slovenes/Croats/Bosniaks etc). Evlekis 17:33, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

When I knew it, it was Sunday evenings at Greko, downstairs a some creepy basement; there was often music. Evlekis 17:41, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Mediation

Hi Francis. I wonder if you could mediate between me and Tigran in the articles Shusha and History of Nagorno-Karabakh. As usual, we kind of cannot reach a consensus, and I would really appreciate your help. Thanks in advance. Regards, Grandmaster 12:27, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi Francis. These are 2 online Azeri dictionaries I’m aware of: [9]

This is the best one: [10] I hope it helps. Take care. Grandmaster 05:50, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Your reply about feb. 2006...

see reply on Talk:Standardization. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 201.43.54.214 (talk) 10:56, 6 December 2006 (UTC).

Stub Blahblahblah

Hey - I just noticed the to do about Tajikistan bio stubs a while back - let me know if you have any questions about stub related issues in the future; I worked a lot on those project so I know a bunch of the procedures and most of the wikiproject participants. I would be glad to help on those matters. Aelfthrytha 16:29, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Somehow I ended up knowing a lot about procedure and who to go to for what approvals in general - if it's an admin / bureaucratic thing, I'm probably your person. Go figure. I thought I was more politically leftist than that, but I can sure work the system. Aelfthrytha 16:33, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Anthropology Collaboration of the month

Hello. I noticed that you signed up for WikiProject Anthropology and thought that you might be interested in participating in the Collaboration of the Month. This month's article is Marvin Harris. Thanks. Stilgar135 19:24, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

The Ten Lies of Macedonism

Hi, there is a little Macedonian-related conflict there and I'd like to invite you to join in. I have just intervened, but the persistence with which the edit war has been waged previously suggests that it will continue in the future as well. I don't think I can handle a long revert war there (I can't afford to spend that much time on Wikipedia), so I hope you can weigh in. Regards, --Anonymous44 22:33, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Terrible article. Why don't we just AfD the silly thing? Fut.Perf. ☼ 22:45, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Not tonight, I'm tired. Fut.Perf. ☼ 23:00, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

And what exactly is so terrible about it. It is making any absolute judgements.   /FunkyFly.talk_  23:01, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

User:SuperDeng

He's emailing every admin btw. And I mean every admin. Anyway. Here is the CheckUser log. This is Deng's very extensive block log. This is the latest AN discussion on Deng. This is my page which lists the socks that Deng has used. And all but one (BigBobcool, which was very obvious) were confirmed by CU. You can also look at Deng's talk page to see some of is behaviors. He's violated every major policy that we have and he's totally unrepetent. I mean. He's still claiming that he doesn't use sockpuppets despite the incredible amount of evidence to the contrary. --Woohookitty^(meow) 09:02, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Btw. His most recent sock was on the 12th. 2 days ago. I can understand appealing an indefinite ban but he's also going right on with violating policy at the same time. I don't think that's the behavior of someone who wants to reform. Just my 2 cents. --Woohookitty^(meow) 09:07, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

I never explained why I blocked him. Sorry about that. It was for exhausting the community's patience if anything else. If you look at his block log, he's been given numerous chances to reform. And I do mean numerous. I believe he's been blocked more than 10 times. And a couple of times, admins shortened his block to give him another chance. But some of the sockpuppets that he was proven to use via CU (from late September to late October) were actually used when his main account was not blocked. So even when he could've followed a different path and ceased violating policy, he did not do so. So that's the main thing. Just exhausting the patience of the community and the lack of desire to reform. Even know, he's not saying that he's going to change. Quite the contrary. He continually justifies his actions as a "bad admin" acting against him. In the past, it was always other users. So you know, he's been given lots of chances. Lots and lots. And yet here we are again. And I just don't see where suddenly he's going to decide to change when he's made absolutely no moves towards changing. And it's not just sockpuppet use as you can see from his block log. --Woohookitty^(meow) 00:29, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. Sorry for being so...windy. :) I do that. --Woohookitty^(meow) 09:05, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Don't you love it Francis :-)

User:Woman+man is really not me... (it's most likely Kamikazi2) //Dirak 15:12, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Labadism

I've added the "{{prod}}" template to the article Labadism, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but I don't believe it satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and I've explained why in the deletion notice (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). Please either work to improve the article if the topic is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, or, if you disagree with the notice, discuss the issues at Talk:Labadism. You may remove the deletion notice, and the article will not be deleted, but note that it may still be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached, or if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria. Pastordavid 16:04, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Went ahead and merged, if you want to check out Jean de Labadie. Pastordavid 18:28, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

And actually

I'd really appreciate it if you could help out in containing Deng. Just got informed today that he has a new account called User:Rocketlauncherman. And he's right up your alley. :) Pretty much defines nationalist. User:Pinkgreenvelvet might be Deng as well. He's not even hiding it well at this point. --Woohookitty^(meow) 00:58, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Just for more help, the articles he hits the most are Eastern Front (World War II), Battle of Stalingrad, Battle of Kursk and others. His trademark is to claim that other people's numbers are "wrong". He's been beating that drum for a year now. --Woohookitty^(meow) 01:00, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Thank you. :) --Woohookitty^(meow) 01:03, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Denial of Armenian Genocide

File:Turkish denial small.jpg

This is most probably an ad on the Times given by the Armenian community. Why is it not mentioned under the photo? Instead it just says "published by Times".--Doktor Gonzo 21:36, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Addition; ok as seen on the hq photo, it actually says on the image it is an ad, I am going to mention it on the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Doktor Gonzo (talk • contribs)

Translation

Sorry for the late reply.. Hmm, there is no substantial difference between the two actually, they are both present tense singular first person. I suppose "sikerim" is a bit stronger, just because there is a small conceptual difference between the two present tenses :) I don't know if I would be able to explain the exact diff, and most Turks wouldn't be able to do so either. It is just one of those things! Cheers! Baristarim 20:45, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Voting about sibwiki

Could you please confirm your vote as it is described in http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Closure_of_Siberian_Wikipedia? Thank you! Voyevoda 20:31, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Is this how I confirm? - Francis Tyers · 18:45, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Hey

Speaking about examples the other day, I thought you might be interested in this resurrection... NikoSilver 00:24, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Please do not vandalize my user page by removing content. There is nothing inappropriate about a picture of Alexander or the Vergina sun. I will report you to administators if it happens again. Macedonia 21:15, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

No concensus

Francis, could you close this on the basis of no concensus. It doesn't seem to be going anywhere (most of the votes in favor of deleting it are from Turkish users while most in favor of keeping it are Armenian users). The easiest solution, in my opinion would be to rename the template to "Former Armenian capitals." Best, Clevelander 12:33, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Template

Hello, the reason why I have deleted the use of the term Macedonia in this template is because Macedonia is a region, not a state. If you wish to describe the Slavomacedonian national awakening, please do so using a different, less provocative manner for Greek Macedonians.

By using the geographical term to describe only a section of the region's population, you monopolise it only for them, without considering Greek Macedonian perspectives. I think that we must find something else. Have a nice day Kapnisma 09:04, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, I have seen it and I beleive that this article is an example of cooperation and good faith. Kapnisma 09:36, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

I' ve also seen some minor changes that you have done with the term Slavonacedonians (usage as slur, etc), while I agree with them I'm expecting that you also do the same for the term Macedonian when used to decribe Slavomacedonians (that it is offensive for Greek Macedonians, etc) since you seem to believe in neutrality. Kapnisma 12:12, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Well it does not. Kapnisma 12:16, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

See your talk. - Francis Tyers · 12:17, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

I think it's OK. Have a nice day, I am happy to have discussed with you Kapnisma 12:22, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

National awakening of the Macedonia?

When reverting by BS, at least fix my grammar. //Dirak 20:15, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Macedonian Wikipedians' notice board

Thanks for heads up. I added it to my watchlist. I know why people are touchy about this stuff, but I have little patience for the nationalists of any side. What does the disinterested reader need? what reflects the situation at the border/airport/train station? and what reflects the reality of the ordinary people living in those places? For what it's worth, I teach students from Bulgaria, Albania, Kosovo, Montenegro, and Greece (and Poland, and Russia, and Ukraine, and Iran, and Jordan, and...) (in New York City) Jd2718 01:35, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Edit conflict

I think we edited at the sametime sorry for that.--HalaTruth(ሀላካሕ) 14:23, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Veil fetishism

You can also express your support at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Veil fetishism.--Patchouli 14:45, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Halt!

Could you please give me a couple of minutes to add a few sources before reverting again. //Dirak 14:22, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Help needed on racism

we need to see if racism lives in Israel, i would appreciate if more voices could be heard. I believe under the wiki policy i can request voices on these touchy well protected topics.--HalaTruth(ሀላካሕ) 21:28, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

New sig

Having finally found this, I now know why editors keep confusing me with someone else, so I've changed my sig file to hopefully regain my identity. Sheesh - just thought I'd put the word out. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 02:16, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Racovschi and adminship

Hi, and thank you. On the adminship issue, I'm afraid I'm a little too jumpy and opinionated for the behavior required of an admin. I would also dislike the discipline it requires (such as performing certain tasks I would not bother with myself). But thank you for considering it. Dahn 13:31, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

RfAr, Armenian Genocide

Check the bottom of the talkpage and follow the link. I don't want this to pass now, but if it does, I am prepared. I though you may be interested to give your comment. Fad (ix) 17:24, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks and new Templates

Happy new year

Dear Francis, first I should thank you for your comment about User lnag templates I hope a nice and happy holiday for you in Spain for you. I made the other User templates for Tajik Language.

They are:{{User tg-1}},{{User tg-2}},{{User tg-3}}

Happy new year

--Soroush83 14:11, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Nationalist rhetoric aka. Your user page

WHAAAAA!!!??

Your extreme POV on Your user page is POV (hehe) aka. just saw the change in Your userpage, nice. Also Happy new year, I guess, etc. etc. Best, feydey 23:06, 31 December 2006 (UTC)