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Should "The Lies and Truth of Kim Jon Un" by The People on Youtube be mentioned here ?

The video on YouTube has amassed a lot of attention.

Probably not
This *is* as much of a second-hand or third hand source as it gets, really. Find the sources the video cites (if any) and then maybe. Youtube videos as a source in general are dubious.Seven404 (talk) 21:50, 4 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Government description

I think that the Government description from the infobox falls short. I suggest to change it to: “Unitary Juche one-party socialist republic”.

Here’s a source: http://www.korea-dpr.com/political.html --ZAPgon3 (talk) 21:53, 21 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Quoting Gooduserdude from my talk page: "Unitary Marxist–Leninist one-party socialist republic in china country infobox, why should north korea not use juche and socialist in its?" – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 12:07, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
First, whatever they decide at China (there is an on-going discussion at Talk:China#Government form) has direct relevance to that article only. It doesn't mean that we shouldn't watch the arguments made there, but a decision has to be made separately here. Second, combining epithets from various sources into a single claim like that is WP:SYNTH, and that's not allowed. We should follow what reliable sources say when they make this exact claim: what is the form of government of North Korea? E.g. Britannica says "unitary single-party republic with one legislative house". When judging sources, we should be careful about this. Marxism–Leninism or Juche are not forms of government. They are ideologies, i.e. contents, not forms, of policy. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 12:07, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Using Britannica is an easy solution to this. If we include everything that every source has said about the government we would have an extremely long string of words. And editors would argue about most of the words.--Jack Upland (talk) 12:42, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Marxism–Leninism or Juche are not forms of government. They are ideologies, i.e. contents, not forms, of policy. - In the case of Marxism-Leninism, I am not sure that that's entirely correct...it has been my understanding that Marxism-Leninism, in addition to its ideological meanings, also described the form of government (i.e., constitutional rather than political) that the USSR was the prototype example of, and that is currently the form of government of Cuba, Vietnam, Laos, and China. Thus, while China, according to many of its critics (both communists and non-communists), has veered away from Marxist-Leninist ideologies, their constitutional form of government is still Marxist-Leninist. (But I could be mistaken. Definitions can change, too). Firejuggler86 (talk) 09:58, 13 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

article name correction (DPR Korea)

The title article should be corrected to DPRK, instead of North Korea. This is a major error! Baldersmash (talk) 01:39, 26 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Baldersmash: First take a look at the previous discussions on the article name, referred to above. If you still think it is a good idea to change the article name, you should start a new discussion, but with better arguments than "This is a major error!" --Madglad (talk) 03:33, 8 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The name of this country is DPRK. My intention was to point out this fact, not provide arguments. Baldersmash (talk) 04:28, 8 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Baldersmash, Well, it has been discussed, let me see... 6 times now.
It's failed 6 times.
You'll need an argument to continue. —moonythedwarf (Braden N.) 04:31, 8 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Please have a look at the following website: https://www.un.org/en/member-states/index.html . Hope this clears it up! Baldersmash (talk) 04:43, 8 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
So the UN uses DPRK, so what? Wikipedia is not subject to control by the UN. Our policy at Wikipedia is to use the common name. In this case, that is North Korea. --Khajidha (talk) 05:07, 22 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I referenced the UN because it's a significant international organization. I would like to remind you that the Korean War hasn't formally ended, meaning American sources are not WP:NPOV. Baldersmash (talk) 10:32, 24 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
There are no "significant international organizations" when it comes to English language usage. --Khajidha (talk) 10:57, 24 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I referenced the UN website since it was written in English. Baldersmash (talk) 22:10, 2 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
So? Written in English does not equal "having control over general English usage". The UN has absolutely no power over usage by anyone other than its own bureaucracy. We have our own rules here. English language usage is overwhelmingly in favor of "North Korea". End of story.--Khajidha (talk) 05:11, 3 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
My intention was to provide a reference which indicates the correct way to refer to the country in English. Wikipedia is based on references to neutral sources. Baldersmash (talk) 17:50, 3 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
And the vast, vast, VAST majority of neutral sources use North Korea. And, again, the UN has no power to define "the correct way to refer to the country in English".--Khajidha (talk) 17:59, 3 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Feel free to reference a neutral source more distinguished than the UN. Baldersmash (talk) 18:43, 3 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Given that UN usage is only relevant to the UN, what it says doesn't matter. The UN is not a regulator of usage. Nor is it a reporter of usage outside of itself. Here's the point. The usage at the UN isn't worth a pile of fetid dingoes kidneys in this discussion. WP:COMMONNAME
is the controlling guideline. And that guideline leads us to use North Korea. --Khajidha (talk) 18:55, 3 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The conventional manner to establish the properties you describe is to reference neutral sources. Baldersmash (talk) 02:42, 10 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
And there are plenty of those already in the article. --Khajidha (talk) 11:57, 10 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see any particular neutral article which would be preferable to the UN one I already provided. Baldersmash (talk) 02:04, 11 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Any of them is preferable because they show usage in the general corpus of the English language. The UN's usage is designed for use specifically by the UN itself and its subsidiaries. --Khajidha (talk) 02:23, 11 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
WP:COMMONNAME. It is commonly titled "North Korea" in the English language, by English-speaking sources, in en.wikipedia.org. That is pretty much the end of the matter. ValarianB (talk) 12:57, 24 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Please see the discussion immediately above. Baldersmash (talk) 22:10, 2 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
My eyes function just fine, thank you, your guidance is unnecessary. ValarianB (talk) 19:48, 3 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
With respect, the UN link you have provided has a number of names that we do not use on Wikipedia, as they are technical and not common names. The Gambia is not located at "The Republic of The Gambia." Iran is not located at "The Islamic Republic of Iran." Laos is not located at "Lao People's Democratic Republic." Moldova is not located at "Republic of Moldova." Russia is not located at "Russian Federation" (that's a great example, too, since it is about as major a country you can get at the UN, being a permanent Security Council member). Syria is not located at "Syrian Arab Republic." East Timor is not located at "Timor-Leste." United Kingdom (another permanent Security Council seat holder) is not located at "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland." Tanzania is not located at "United Republic of Tanzania." United States is not located at "United States of America." Venezuela is not located at "Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela." Vietnam is not located at "Viet Nam." I have probably missed some others. The point is, that UN list is not how we name countries on Wikipedia. Rather, WP:COMMONNAME is applied. How distinguished and/or neutral the UN is is not the issue. --OuroborosCobra (talk) 02:19, 11 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Monarcho-Communism?

Is North Korea a monarchy? The Kim dynasty has ruled from the beginning. At the very least, a hereditary dictatorship. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MonSocMan (talk • contribs) 17:37, 25 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

How about semi-quasi-monarcho-pseudo-communism?--Jack Upland (talk) 22:49, 25 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I assume this thread is in jest, but just in case it ain't... IIRC, North Korea dropped the official 'communist' label in the early 70s...so they're not even communist in name only, like (arguably, and fiercely disputed by its government) China. Firejuggler86 (talk) 09:44, 13 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Add event

I think we should add the Panmunjom Declaration, it was very important event for both Koreas Nguyễn Phúc Vy (talk) 17:32, 6 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Nguyễn Phúc Vy which part of the article would you prefer to add that? Vikram Vincent 18:47, 6 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Vikram Vincent, I prefer to add that in formation Nguyễn Phúc Vy (talk) 03:34, 7 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Vikram Vincent, I added that in formation to be more enough. Phạm Văn Rạng (talk) 11:49, 22 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Business Bay

Bruh whats north korea, why is it pictures of Business Bay? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.115.178.199 (talk) 18:13, 13 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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