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Sock and biased edit clean-up, February 2018

User:Swingoswingo, User:XLPeeker99p9, User:Oskimua, Special:Contributions/182.58.45.148 and User:Janosik-Ruzalka are all banned Sockpuppets who were involved in disruptive and dishonest editing. The editor was a self-declared non-conformist for which he was banned. See the editor’s comment. The editor is clearly not here to contribute constructively. His comment proves he is not eligible to edit Islamic history articles. In this edit, for example, XLPeeker99p9 wrote About the Mughal empire, W.H. Moreland observed, "it became a fashion to raid a village or group of villages without any obvious justification, and carry off the inhabitants as slaves." But W.H. Moreland in his book, p. 92 actually said Capture was recognised by both Hindu and Moslem law, and in India this recognition led to serious abuses, for it became the fashion to raid a village or group of villages without any obvious justification, and carry off the inhabitants as slaves. In page 91, he wrote Slavery must be accepted as a Hindu institution. Clearly, XLPeeker99p9 grossly misrepresented the source. Slavery-related contents, for example slavery in India, are welcome if it comes from constructive and non-biased editors. But if a seriously biased editor like Swingoswingo makes such content (especially when he rejects all the academic & traditional sources as evident in his remark), it is not possible to justify how much true info it contains, and how much false it spreads, how much misinterpretation it contains. His sources are ambiguous many times; and strangely enough, not a single online source has he used. -AsceticRosé 17:15, 22 February 2018 (UTC).[reply]

Experts' attention needed

This is a pretty large article with so many claims, and it is written in a haphazard way. It says, for example, Two rough estimates by scholars of the number of slaves held over twelve centuries in Muslim lands are 11.5 million and 14 million, but it does not elaborate how and from where they were brought. It is also not clear whether the information is true at all. There are so many such claims, and it is not clear how much they are true. It narrates the slavery activity in Libya. It is true that slavery activity is present in Libya, but from the sources it is clear that it is a African issue rather than an Islamic issue. The article needs a complete overhaul from experts. -AsceticRosé 18:51, 7 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Awfully biased article with lack of references from the Quran

Let's make one thing clear, Islam's statement on slavery, was to abolish it gradually. This article makes it seem like it was happily openly accepted, which it wasn't.

You cannot talk about the freed slaves, such as Bilal and such as the ones freed by Abu Bakr, and then say Islam endorses slavery. It makes no sense.

Islam's aim was to end all types of slavery. There was/is many types of slavery, those who owed a large amount of money and couldn't pay, who worked in labour, there was those who were captured and now were ownership of their master, and there was those captive during a battle. By ending slavery straightaway, there would be people who still owed money, people who had no money and people who were still a threat to th muslims of the day, Islam deals with all of them in a unique way so that all sides were satisfied somewhat.

Further proof of this pages terrible biasedness... It mentions jihadists at the end of the page. Jihad does not mean "holy war" this is a myth, yet here it is on a Wikipedia article were supposed sources are used to back up claims.

Typical case here looks like the mentioning of Arab slave trade is being called Islamic. Again, you cannot talk about freeing slaves and then also say there was a Muslim slave trade, it's a huge contradiction, and knowing from the other tet, such as the mythical reference to jihad, it's clear were the bias stands, and again, hardly any quotations from the Quran. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marccarran (talk • contribs) 00:48, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Title

The name of the article is History of slavery in the Muslim world, but the article also contain information about slavery in the Muslim world of today (21st-century). Would that not mean that the "History"-part of the article title should be dropped?--Aciram (talk) 13:29, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I agree, Aciram, something needs to change. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 13:57, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The article History of slavery contains a section on 21st century slavery. History of the United States contains a section History_of_the_United_States#21st_century. "History" includes not just the past but also the present.VR talk 07:00, 2 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Help

Helped I copied some matter along with the references used at Sexual slavery in Islam but it seems to have errors (although it seems to be working fine in the original article). Please set it right.

Your recent edits are not neutral. You arbitrarily copied materials from an article that is already non-neutral. Please seek consensus here before restoring that material.VR talk 14:55, 20 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Inaccurate statement?

Arab or Islamic slave trade lasted much longer than the Atlantic or European slave trade: "It began in the middle of the seventh century and survives today in Mauritania and Sudan. With the Islamic slave trade, we're talking of 14 centuries rather than four."

Arab slave trade started before the 6th century, and before the advent of Islam. The European slave trade didn't start with the Atlantic slave trade either. Should this be removed? Ibrahim5361 (talk) 15:48, 21 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

While slavery by Muslims predates Atlantic trade, you are right that it obviously didn't predate Europe (Europeans were practicing slavery long before Islam even existed). I'll fix this.VR talk 18:25, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
There is also one in History of slavery, it would be great if you fix that one as well.
According to South African writer Ronald Segal, the Islamic slave trade lasted much longer than the Atlantic or European slave trade: "It began in the middle of the seventh century and survives today [2001] in Mauritania and Sudan. With the Islamic slave trade, we're talking of 14 centuries rather than four". He also says that the gender balance was different: "Whereas the gender ratio of slaves in the Atlantic trade was two males to every female, in the Islamic trade, it was two females to every male". Concubinage was common, and it was not unusual for men to marry their slaves.

Ibrahim5361 (talk) 18:33, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, did that. You can also be WP:BOLD and do that.VR talk 02:03, 23 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Arab slavery not muslims

This page should focus only on Arab slavery without the word "Muslims", as Ottoman slavery has its own page, as well as slavery in the Emirate of Bari should be deleted and slavery in this page should talk about Arab slavery alone so that the reader can know it without being confusing With the mention of Ottoman or Barbary slavery, and this page should be To be more arranged, for example, it must be written when and how this slavery began and how the ethnic divisions were in the Umayyad Empire as it was the first to begin with slavery But I need some research and help on the topic of slavery in the Umayyad Empire. it must writing should be detailed in detail Xwasx12s (talk) 11:05, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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