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Former good article nomineeSomaliland was a Sports and recreation good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
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Semi-protected edit request on 11 March 2021

please add these missing historical events:

| established_event1 = Kingdom of Punt | established_date1 = c. 2500–980 BCE | established_event2 = Macrobian Kingdom | established_date2 = c. 5th century BC | established_event3 = Establishment of the Ifat Sultanate | established_date3 = 940 | established_event4 = Establishment of the Adal Sultanate | established_date4 = 1415 | established_event4 = Isaaq Sultanate | established_date4 = ~1700s - 1884 AbdirahiimYa (talk) 20:20, 11 March 2021 (UTC) (updated: 23:30, 13-03-2021 (UTC)(updated again: AbdirahiimYa (talk) 18:26, 31 March 2021 (UTC))[reply]

I'm not sure what you want that changed to? ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 20:53, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Closing this request pending a response. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 21:33, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry for the late response; this is my first time using Wikipedia as an editor. I'm not sure if it has been submitted, but I added missing historical dates in the events column.AbdirahiimYa (talk) 22:53, 13 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Not done, it is not a general historical events column but one pertaining to the particular state in question. CMD (talk) 01:56, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
These are the different administrations that were formed in Somaliland before present-day Somaliland existed, aka what Somaliland used to be called, so it actually does pertain to the particular state. So I'd appreciate it if it was added to the column so people could see the history of its previous kingdoms. AbdirahiimYa (talk) 15:06, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. Tol | Talk | Contribs (formerly Twassman) 17:55, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Can you please tell me what the process to start a consensus is? I can't seem to find it on the page. AbdirahiimYa (talk) 16:47, 31 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with this addition as Somalia contains similarly contains historical events and states in its infobox. Dabaqabad (talk) 22:57, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Then the Somalia article needs to be fixed. Making this article worse because the Somalia article is worse is not a strong argument. CMD (talk) 01:11, 30 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
FWIW, I don't see it in the Somalia article so there is no inconsistency. Alaexis¿question? 13:52, 31 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The Somalia infobox contains essentially the same type of historical information as the Somaliland infobox, in that it is the events leading to the current status of Somaliland, rather than historical kingdoms and sultanates that used to occupy the same area. There is no continuity of nation between the historical nations and modern Somaliland so I think the infobox should remain as it currently is. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:09, 31 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I've closed the edit request pending the outcome of this discussion. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:43, 31 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Those kingdoms are actually what Somaliland used to be before modern-day Somaliland so there is actually continuity. The last one was the Isaaq Sultanate which ended in 1884 when British Somaliland was formed, so I think adding the kingdoms would show the history of what Somaliland used to be called before the British. AbdirahiimYa (talk) 18:26, 31 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Please don't reopen the edit request until consensus has been reached. Thanks. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 19:23, 31 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Please provide a source that these various kingdoms are "what Somaliland used to be", and for the relevant continuity. CMD (talk) 00:59, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The dynasty of the last Sultanate is still alive to this day and still hold the title Sultan although he doesn't hold any authority. And for the other kingdoms, ifat and adal were both established in Zeila in modern-day Somaliland, and the Macrobian Kingdom was likewise in Somaliland and so was the Kingdom of Punt. The source for all of those kingdoms are in Wikipedia itself except for the Kingdom of Punt which people are not certain about but in 2018 there were found artifacts in Somaliland that resemble the Pharoah and Egyptians https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHJxnzAFnts. AbdirahiimYa (talk) 16:45, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The way the events in the infobox are set up is for the actual continuity of the nation though, rather than just the nations that were there geographically in the past. If we used the style that you're suggesting we'd have mile long infoboxes containing every kingdom, nation, etc that was in an area before the modern country was founded. Look at United Kingdom for example. It doesn't cover each kingdom, empire, warlord and the like that shacked up there, it covers what led to the formation of the modern United Kingdom itself. Just because those kingdoms and sultanates were in the same area does not mean they led specifically to the formation of the current nation or government. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:50, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The Ethiopia article is structured like that and it's actually what inspired me to add these dates to the Somaliland page plus China also has similar dates in its infobox. AbdirahiimYa (talk) 17:16, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Both of those are good examples of what ScottishFinnishRadish called continuity of the nation. CMD (talk) 17:42, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Seems like you omitted the dates I was mentioning about Ethiopia. But the Isaaq Sultanate is a continuity to present-day Somaliland since the Sultan and other Clan chiefs signed the treaty with the British thereby leading to the formation of present-day Somaliland. AbdirahiimYa (talk) 21:36, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Do you have sourcing for that, because that's the kind of fact that would change my mind, at least for that sultanate? ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 22:45, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"Through treaty with Issaq Sultan..." https://journals.openedition.org/etudesafricaines/14226?lang=en. AbdirahiimYa (talk) 14:37, 2 April 2021 (UTC)That definitely brings me around to including the Isaaq sultanate. It looks like there was hundreds of years of tribal/clan rule between Isaaq and Adal, however. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 15:02, 2 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I can't find any history between the period of Isaaq and Adal, so that seems to be the most likely scenario. AbdirahiimYa (talk) 16:19, 2 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I added the Isaaq Sultanate to the infobox based on the source above. If anyone disagrees feel free to revert. I don't think any of the earlier kingdoms are part of the continuity of nation, and I haven't had any luck finding additional sourcing for that gap. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:49, 2 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 14 March 2021

Nasir Abdi nor (talk) 10:35, 14 March 2021 (UTC)  not sovereign states but correctly  called the country[reply]
 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 13:54, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Somaliland

'Sovereign state' not but correctly Country. Nasir Abdi nor (talk) 10:40, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Consensus request on 31 March 2021

I was told to make a consensus to get this change approved, but I'm not really sure if I'm doing it right. I'd like to request that this list of former Kingdoms in Somaliland are added to the infobox so people can easily see its former kingdoms.

| established_event1 = Kingdom of Punt | established_date1 = c. 2500–980 BCE | established_event2 = Macrobian Kingdom | established_date2 = c. 5th century BC | established_event3 = Establishment of the Ifat Sultanate | established_date3 = 940 | established_event4 = Establishment of the Adal Sultanate | established_date4 = 1415 AbdirahiimYa (talk) 00:20, 31 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Please keep the discussion to one section above. CMD (talk) 01:37, 31 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
But I thought that I should make a new section. Can you please tell me what the procedure to make a consensus is? AbdirahiimYa (talk) 12:43, 31 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]