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Was this city actually founded in 1493, or is that when it was first mentioned? Greenshed 16:28, 13 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The economy sections are too detailed and also read a bit like an advertisement for investors. Andries (talk) 00:17, 30 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Vvolodymyr (talk) 03:16, 24 September 2008 (UTC) First mentioned. But this is used to count years for city celebrations. When it was mentioned it was still called Ploskyriv (ukr. Плоскирів) literally meaning shallowditch and/or from the name of the river on which's bank it was situated - river Ploska (ukr. Плоска) meaning shallow. It was a wooden town - then there was a great fire - and the people resettled on the other bank.[reply]

Anyways - I just saw the article. One of these days (LOL) I'm gonna have to update stuff and add some sources etc.

CheerZ!

Vvolodymyr (talk) 03:16, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

the city is placed not in western, but in central ukraine. western ukraine starts from Zbruch river, that's placed on the west of Khmelnytskyi --31.40.233.187 (talk) 18:31, 11 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:1431 establishments in Ukraine

@Johnpacklambert: please WP:BRD and don’t WP:WAR.[1][2] This category is appropriate. It is common practice in the field of history and in civic commemorations to consider the date of first historic mention as a date of foundation, as you can see by example in the sources cited here regarding the date, and also it is consensus practice to treat this as such in Wikipedia. This is reflected in countless articles’ infoboxes and −categorization.

As this article is a WP:DS topic area, please don’t start a revert war over it. Furthermore, I believe this is WP:POINTY editing, as you’re only doing it to smooth your related CFD request, but it’s likely to backfire. It is also beyond what you recently described as “disruptive behaviour” to help get your way over there. Please revert back to the consensus version and let’s discuss it here. —Michael Z. 18:23, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Examples of the principle of cities’ customary founding dates include:

Moscow / Category:1147 establishments in Europe / Infobox: Established 1147 / “archaeological digs show that the site of today's Moscow and the surrounding area have been inhabited since time immemorial,” and “around 950 AD, two Slavic tribes . . . settled here.”
London / Category:1st-century establishments in Roman Britain / Infobox: Settled by Romans AD 47 / “the name came into these languages from Common Brythonic” [the language existed “to mid-6th century AD”]; London#Prehistory relates evidence of settlement 4800 BC–1285 BC
New York / Category:1624 establishments in North America, Category:1898 establishments in New York (state) [and others!] / Infobox: Settled 1624; Consolidated 1898 / “In the precolonial era . . . was inhabited by Algonquian Native Americans,” “the first non–Native American inhabitant . . . arrived in Manhattan during the winter of 1613–14”

I wouldn’t be surprised if this was the rule rather than the exception. Even when a city has a documented formal founding event and date, it is often because it is already a de facto populated place. —Michael Z. 19:13, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Template: Infobox settlement allows for several establishment dates with their own descriptions, and offers examples “Founded,” “Incorporated (town),” “Incorporated (city),” “Settled,” “opened.” Any one or several of these could be eligible to be categorized.

And, perhaps too obvious to have been mentioned yet, the existence of indeterminate-date categories like “1st-century establishments” proves that non-definite establishments are eligible for categorization in Wikipedia. —Michael Z. 19:34, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No, this is horrible practice. If the sourcing does not say that is the year that the place was actually established considering that the year of establishment is not justified at all by actual sourcing.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:00, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It is a consensus practice, whether you WP:LIKE it or not. Please revert your disputed edit per WP:BRD until there is a consensus to change it. —Michael Z. 22:13, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I do not think you will find anything under Category:1898 establishments in New York (state) that we can not actually source to being established that year.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:01, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Procedural Comment There is already an open discussion in CFD opened by another editor to merge the category. Your input (pro/con/other) is always welcome at the link below... - RevelationDirect (talk) 01:18, 1 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
By the same editor: clear conflict of interest, emptying the category to head off consensus there. As you know. —Michael Z. 14:08, 1 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Please see follow-up discussion at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2021_July_27#Establishments_based_on_first-mentioned_dates where the prime example of Moscow may draw more attention. – Fayenatic London 14:14, 27 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
At Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2021_July_27#Establishments_based_on_first-mentioned_dates there was a strong consensus not to categorise by the date first mentioned in records. – Fayenatic London 10:22, 2 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Category:1431 establishments in Ukraine has been nominated for upmerging

Category:1431 establishments in Ukraine has been nominated for upmerging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. RevelationDirect (talk) 01:18, 1 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

the name of the city is Proskyra

In Lithuanian it means the place where something is separated, like Bug is Baiga in Lithuanian and means "the end/final river" 86.38.75.174 (talk) 14:48, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]