Talk:Quidditch (real-life sport)

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Proposed merge with Muggle Quidditch

initial cap only (WP:TITLE) DA Sonnenfeld (talk) 12:21, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

Change of Tittle

This page should be renamed from Muggle quidditch to Quiddich (sport) as the official name of the sport is quidditch and not muggle quidditch.

ALBonnell (talk) 06:56, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

I second a notion for a name change, though the fictional - and more famous - version is also technically a sport, fake or not, so maybe the name would be something different still. Jackson Scofield (talk) 18:40, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Quidditch (Muggle sport)? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.16.19.232 (talk) 21:29, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

I would suggest the change to Quidditch (Sport), and changing the existing page 'Quidditch' to Quidditch (fictional sport). ALBonnell (talk) 04:18, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

"Quidditch (sport)" would to the vast majority of people mean the sport played in the Harry Potter universe, as opposed to some other meaning that isn't a sport at all. But regardless, both of the meanings we have are sports. That one of them is fictional doesn't change the fact. As such, the current title makes as much sense as James Taylor (person) would. As such, I'm going to be WP:BOLD and change this to Quidditch (real-life sport). — Smjg (talk) 08:04, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

Contradiction

There seems to be a contradiction between the first paragraph of the introduction and the section describing the Snitch. I don't know much about the sport, so I don't know which one is correct, but I do know that it's impossible for both to be correct.

The first paragraph contains this sentence: The ultimate goal is to have more points than the other team by the time the snitch, a tennis ball inside a long sock hanging from the shorts of an impartial official dressed in yellow, is caught.

This is how it's described in the Snitch section: The snitch is a tennis ball or balled-up socks placed at the bottom of either a gold or yellow long sock. The sock is tucked into the back of the snitch runner's shorts as if it were a tail. The snitch runner may do everything in his or her power to protect the snitch from being snatched by seekers. Only seekers may make advances towards the snitch or the snitch runner, and no forceful contact with the snitch runner is allowed. The game ends when the snitch is grabbed by a seeker, awarding that seeker's team 30 points. Fishnet37222 (talk) 08:55, 10 March 2015 (UTC) There is no contradiction here. You are warded 30 points for catching the snitch and the game ends. Where is the contradiction? Both can easily be correct. If you catch the snitch and your team is down by more than 30 points you lose, simple. You didn't put a lot of thought in to this if you think it is impossible for both to be correct.

Intro - Snitch role precision

Rules described are incorrect : "the game moves to overtime where the snitch is constrained to the pitch's dimensions" --> this is already the case during regulation time. Should be precised somewhere before. Sevvem (talk) 09:31, 12 January 2017 (UTC) Sevvem

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Name change to Quadball

As of July 2022, the name of the sport has been officially renamed to quadball per its governing bodies. I think this page should be updated accordingly. See info here Xavdid (talk) 21:08, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

What is more important though is what are all the sources and general population calling it. Fyunck(click) (talk) 22:10, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

Is it? Other similar sport renames (such as Ultimate_(sport)) are listed under their official name, even though it's still commonly known as "ultimate frisbee". Also, all of the organizations (Major League Quidditch, International_Quidditch_Association, etc have changed the titles of their businesses accordingly. The news articles from the past all refer to the name of the sport at the time the article was written, but all newly-written sources will use "quadball" going forward. Xavdid (talk) 22:45, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

I can't help what other articles do. It will always be Ultimate Frisbee to me. And when new books get written about Quadball without using Quidditch, then of course we go with the sources. Fyunck(click) (talk) 03:58, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

Current spotted coverage:

https://www.npr.org/2022/07/19/1112324298/quidditch-rebrands-as-quadball-and-further-distances-itself-from-harry-potter-au

https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-news/quidditch-changes-name-distance-harry-potter-author-jk-rowling-rcna38919

On the plus side to a name change, it would also assist in the article name awkwardness of "(real-life sport)"

The comparison to Ultimate does seem apt though. They changed their sports name to avoid a copyright issue. Quadball has done the same to avoid it. While it's likely too early to see if Quadball sticks in English, with all the US and leading international governing body making the change, I suspect it will. I'd say leave as is for the moment, but unless sources roll in that *don't* use the new name, it should be changed soon. Otherwise the article is simply out of date. Queso2469 (talk) 04:07, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

Agreed Dronebogus (talk) 17:36, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

When you think about it, refusing to call quadball by its new, correct name is exactly what J.K. Rowling would have wanted. Haschel47 (talk) 23:38, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

Sounds cool. Fyunck(click) (talk) 01:15, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

“I have no discrimination against quadballs, but they’re still quidditches” Dronebogus (talk) 16:19, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

I have changed the article name on what I've interpreted as overall positive discussion and the precident set by Ultimate_(sport). I won't argue if anyone thinks its too soon and changed it back though, trying to be bold. -- NotCharizard ^🗨 06:00, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

I changed it back because this is under discussion. It looks like over the past couple years it's mostly called Quidditch. Even the rulebook. Heck, right now even the ???Official??? governing body website uses Qudditch. Fyunck(click) (talk) 06:27, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

Understandable, the official name change was only madea few days ago. Do you think perhaps waiting a week or so to see if more statements are made by governing body's would help the case of changing the name? -- NotCharizard ^🗨 06:31, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

It certainly could. But things like rule books and books about the sport, magazine articles etc, carry even more weight. Common usage is usually where we put article titles and those items change a little more slowly. And every single national team is called quidditch right now, so those might also have to change. Teams like Qudditch Australia, Quidditch Canada, Quidditch UK, Quidditch Netherlands, etc. These could all change their name tomorrow though my guess is that new membership might wain when people realize they are being recruited for quadball rather than quidditch. There is also the problem the organization might have when they realized that Quad-ball is an adult bondage and fetish toy. That could be pretty bad if we have to put at the top of the article that "This is for Quadball sport; for the adult bondage quad-ball toy see Quad-ball (bondage toy)" if someone creates a legitimate article (which you know someone will). Fyunck(click) (talk) 06:35, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

USQ and IQA should release new rulebooks by the end of august, if they follow their usual pattern. Those will have the new names. the name change has been a known thing in the community for 7 months at this point, and all the teams I know are changing their names over right now. I think a week or two might make sense, though! TheBigWeeHag (talk) 15:23, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

What you think means absolutely nothing on wikipedia. What matters is sourcing... books, magazines, organizations, the press. Fyunck(click) (talk) 19:10, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

Excessive detail in rules and competition sections

I feel the rules section should have overview of major changes in the sports history where notable, including significant changes of both technical and thematic nature (eg removal of capes, removal of off pitch seeking), as well any significant international differences in the modern version. Per rulebook is definitely overly detailed.

Major competitions might actually be worth a spinoff to another article. Should be enough coverage on most of the major ones (at least from local news orgs and the like) to be notable/verifiable. This article itself though seems like an inappropriate place to list all major quidditch tournaments, when there's approximately 10 different ones on this list that happen yearly or every other year.

Queso2469 (talk) 18:11, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

Requested move 21 July 2022

Quidditch (real-life sport) → Quadball – Official name change supported by both US Quadball and the International Quadball Association, the two biggest governing bodies in quadball. Name change has been expected for over a year now (i.e. the community have been on board with a name change) and was made official on the 19th July. The ame change has been posted by many major news sites and a precendent has been set on Wikipedia by when Ultimate_(sport) in relation to the common name, when Ultimate changed it's name due to copyright reasons related to frisbee. -- NotCharizard ^🗨 07:34, 21 July 2022 (UTC) -- NotCharizard ^🗨 07:34, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

Support If this were any other topic, it wouldn't even be a discussion, it'd just be done Snokalok (talk) 16:18, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

References

Survey

• Oppose - for now. This just happened and Wikipedia usually uses the common name. I'm sure all recent books and magazines use Quidditch. Even the current rulebook. Right now even the ???Official??? governing body website uses Qudditch. Every single national team is called quidditch right now, so those might also have to change before we do a page move. Teams like Qudditch Australia, Quidditch Canada, Quidditch UK, Quidditch Netherlands, etc. These could all change their name tomorrow though my guess is that new membership might wain when people realize they are being recruited for quadball rather than quidditch. There is also the problem the organization might have when they realized that Quad-ball is an adult bondage and fetish toy. That could be pretty bad if we have to put at the top of the article that "This is for Quadball sport; for the adult bondage quad-ball toy see Quad-ball (bondage toy)"... that is, if someone creates a legitimate article (which you know someone will). I think we need to wait to see if all the national quidditch teams change. I can't speak for Ultimate but I do know that every single time I see it on tv they call it "Ultimate Disc" so that should probably change. This is just way too early to see what the common name in English will be. Not everyone who plays is in some national league. Fyunck(click) (talk) 09:43, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose It's Quidditch. And what JK Rowling said was in no way anti transgender. People need to get a grip. Thurlow0391 (talk) 11:36, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

  The content of JKR's comments isn't under discussion here. The fact of the matter is, the governing body has renamed the real-life implementation of the sport based on JKR's books and we have to decide what best to call its Wikipedia article Xavdid (talk) 04:41, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

• Support All of the organizations are moving to change their official names, though MLQ will be keeping Quidditch till the end of the summer to maintain consistency through their season. The page will need a major overhaul by fall anyway, as more name changes will be going out. I think the name should change when the header on the IQA website does, as they're the highest governing body. Source: I have played for coming up on 6 years in a month, and if IQA, MLQ, and USQ all say something is happening then it's just time until the NGBs change their names officially. Do agree with Fyunck in that it might make sense to wait a week or two, just keeping the redirect to quidditch. TheBigWeeHag(click) (talk) 15:23, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

  What we all think means absolutely nothing on wikipedia. You playing doesn't matter either. What matters is sourcing... books, magazines, organizations, the press. Fyunck(click) (talk) 19:12, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose - for now. What's important is the recognizability of the name, (see WP:CRITERIA) change in the future when the common name becomes Quadball.LordLoko (talk) 01:16, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

• Mostly Support - I feel like it's better to do it now, rather that later, in my opinion. OrlandoApollosFan69 (talk) 01:48, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose for now. What matters more than official name changes is the common usage, and it will take some time to see how/if the name changes will affect it. Also, this may very well be just a phase, and various organizations might change their minds if it turns out that distancing themselves from the thing to which they are inexorably tied has significant negative effects. Though the latter would likely take a long time to manifest anyway, so it's not that relevant at the moment. --Veikk0.ma 02:07, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

• Support - It doesn't have to happen today, but the title should change. In the unlikely scenario that there are many people next year running "quidditch" leagues, I'd support splitting the article into two (one for the sport of quadball and another for the real-life adaptation of the game from Harry Potter. The IQA's press release notes that its final "quidditch" tournament will take place July 23-24, 2022. After that, the body and its member organizations will make plans to transition all names to quadball (at which time this article and those related (governing bodies, teams, tournament records, etc) should be updated with the new name. --xavdid 05:04, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

  The sports are one and the same - they won't need two articles. At a future date, though, an article titled "Quadball" starting off with "Quadball, formerly known as Quidditch..." may be appropriate. 71.40.21.238 (talk) 16:53, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose - for now. The official change has only just happened and it is unknown whether the WP:COMMONNAME will actually change. If it proves an unpopular decision in the quidditch-playing community it may very well be changed back before long so the best idea is to wait and see.TheCurrencyGuy (talk) 06:48, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose - for now. Wikipedia should stick with the WP:COMMONNAME. When (/if) the common name changes then we should follow. --Ekaterina Colclough (talk) 09:25, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose - for now. Agreed on the basis of WP:COMMONNAME. Not sure exactly WHEN the name change happened for the article on Ultimate_(sport), but that term is certainly in common vocabulary now. Also, I don't believe it matters how many sources can be cited, or articles written, before this page's name should be changed; it should depend solely on the community of the sport, as to how the new name gets used.

Discussion

What we need is sourcing. Will English websites change from Quidditch to quadball? Will newspaper stories stop using Quidditch? Will organizations start using quadball? Will dictionaries and books and magazines use quadball? So far they haven't. ivotes based on personal experience won't cut it, nor will ones based on feelings about JK Rowling. Right this minute it is overwhelming in favor of Quidditch usage. Sure it can change, but it hasn't yet. Fyunck(click) (talk) 19:19, 21 July 2022 (UTC)