Talk:Sonic Frontiers

Sonic Adventure 3?

This draft should be deleted, as Sonic Adventure 3 is most likely the upcoming game in question. No other Sonic games are currently known to be in development. Homechallenge55 (talk) 20:42, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

I think it’s pretty obvious that page is a hoax. I’ve slapped a CSD tag on it. JOEBRO64 20:54, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

There's generally a lot more leeway in keeping drafts. I don't personally think either need to be deleted. Generally, as long as a draft could potentially lead to a constructive, encyclopedic article someday, they're okay to exist. That said, conceptually, I think it's pretty silly to think that an empty database entry at "instant gaming.com" makes it likely that Sonic Adventure 3 is a real thing. That strikes me as a bit of a stretch, or wishful thinking at least. Sergecross73 msg me 21:36, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

If sonic adventure 3 were to realise it would in 2023 or 2024 because sega is going to be focusing on updating sonic frontiers to make it better and release some dlc's of some kind 84.226.173.166 (talk) 19:18, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

Name

• https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2021-05-28-sega-mentions-sonic-rangers-in-its-own-press-release lol Sergecross73 msg me 21:02, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Requested move 16 November 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved to Untitled Sonic game by TheJoebro64. (closed by non-admin page mover) GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 15:39, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

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Sonic Frontiers → Untitled 2022 Sonic game – While Sega did register a trademark, it has not been officially linked to this game. We should wait for an official announcement. TarkusAB^talk/contrib 03:52, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

• Support for now. JOEBRO64 04:07, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
  • I've actually just gone ahead and moved it to Untitled Sonic game, since I doubt the move will be controversial JOEBRO64 04:14, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Now, since the article clearly says that the name of the game will in fact be "Sonic Frontiers" after all, I have moved the article back to Sonic Frontiers. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 15:39, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

Sonic Frontier domain registered

The page http://frontiers.sonicthehedgehog.com/ has been created, and I think this should be added after where it says about Frontier and Frontiers being trademarked. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LegateLaurie (talk • contribs) 22:48, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Hub vs Open Worlds

Sonic adventure DX released in 2003 was an open world game so therefore it is not the first open world sonic game 72.94.5.135 (talk) 08:44, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 09:48, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

The game has some non-linearity to it, but it's not generally really considered full open world. Sergecross73 msg me 14:36, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Hub worlds =/= open worlds. JOEBRO64 14:46, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

I've edited the header title to re-focus on what it actually is discussing. The nature of hub vs open worlds is a lengthy debate. I do think that if you are going to call Frontiers the first "open world" game - it should be done in the context of acknowledging Sonic Jam and Sonic Adventure. Sonic 2006 arguably was more of a Hub world because it did not include the ability to adventure. Also, it's very questionable today how much "open" Frontiers is, and may fall closer to the "hub" definition people are noting. 73.90.174.250 (talk) 22:49, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

I disagree. I don't believe most people are going to be confused about any of this. No one with any common sense is going to consider Sonic Jam the first open world Sonic game. Sergecross73 msg me 19:34, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

Microsoft Windows vs. Windows

Microsoft Windows is the correct version of mentions on Wikipedia. It's mentioned in an overwhelming majority of video game pages including featured articles. We don't say "Series X/S" when referring to that, or "Switch", we use "Xbox Series X/S" and "Nintendo Switch" respectively. Keeping a consistent format avoids these constant edits + sounds natural to anyone who has been on Wikipedia and been on a few video game pages. ElijahPepe (talk) 05:22, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

I don’t understand what this is referring to…--CreecregofLife (talk) 06:41, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

Windows is the WP:COMMONNAME, "other video game articles" is WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, and the link is WP:NOTBROKEN. JOEBRO64 14:00, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

"Windows" is the common name; sources (including storefronts) overwhelmingly refer to "Windows", not "Microsoft Windows". In my view, there's a good argument for renaming the Microsoft Windows article to Windows on WP:COMMONNAME grounds, but the counter-argument is that "Microsoft Windows" works as a natural disambiguator from window. Whatever merit that argument may have for the Wikipedia article title, it certainly doesn't apply to sentences such as Sonic Frontiers is scheduled for release on the Nintendo Switch, PlayStation 4, PlayStation 5, Windows, Xbox One, and Xbox Series X/S - no one is going to think the game is going to be hurled out of a building. Popcornfud (talk) 14:41, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

Both Microsoft Windows and Windows wiki link to the same page, so there's little room for confusion here. Sergecross73 msg me 15:47, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

The argument is not about confusion. Anyone on the Sonic Frontiers page will be well-aware of the fact there's an operating system called Windows. The problem is that a certain style is trying to be enforced when a vast majority of pages do not adhere to such style and such style sounds unnatural to those familiar with the other pages. That familiarity is why we've had two editors try to change the page and both edits were undone without any way to change it back without unfolding an edit war. elijahpepe@wikipedia 16:04, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

If "Windows" is the common name per sources and is sufficiently clear, then that's what we should write on all Wikipedia pages. We can't simply stick to an inferior approach because that's what some editors are used to. Popcornfud (talk) 16:12, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

Agreed. If confusion isn't the issue here, then it's a non-issue altogether. As someone who maintains a lot of Sonic articles, there's always a lot of editors who are "Sonic fans" who make a lot of misguided edits. It comes with the territory. It's no reason to change what we do. Sergecross73 msg me 16:17, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

Using Microsoft Windows over Windows isn't inferior in any way. Adding that extra word doesn't destroy the article. elijahpepe@wikipedia 16:42, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

If "Windows" is the common name per sources and is sufficiently clear, and it's more concise, I'm struggling to see what advantage "Microsoft Windows" offers. Popcornfud (talk) 16:48, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

WP:COMMONNAME only covers Windows XP over Windows NT 5.1, because Windows XP is obviously more recognizable. The point of that meta-article was to point out that using elongated words for simple acronyms or phrases that are often times more recognizable shortened should be avoided, which doesn't apply as both make sense to the average person. Neither offer an advantage since they both mean the same thing, but already two editors have tried to make it Microsoft Windows. I might also add here that Microsoft Windows is the article name of Windows, not the other way around. elijahpepe@wikipedia 17:03, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

Again, this is a non-issue. Please drop this. It appears you've had significant issues with constructively working with others on Wikipedia. You're not off to a great re-start here. This is a waste of time. Sergecross73 msg me 17:03, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

"Sonic Adventure 3" listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect Sonic Adventure 3 and has thus listed it at redirects for discussion. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 December 22#Sonic Adventure 3 until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 18:53, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Incorrect Statement

Regarding the statement "series composer Jun Senoue is contributing to the score.[13]" is not entirely true. It's confirmed that Tomoya Ohtani, the series veteran composer is set to be the game's lead composer.

Source: Tomoya Ohtani on Twitter claimed the article is "not true in some respects" https://twitter.com/Ohtanitter/status/1477619593644769281 The article link & info should be removed.

I think that's a bit vague to take action on. Do you have any better sources? Sergecross73 msg me 03:28, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

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Bruh

You can tell somebody like 10yrs old got on here and edited this stuff. Opining isnt even a word 2001:48F8:4059:55F:FCF3:9D92:E938:C100 (talk) 04:04, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

o·pine

/ōˈpīn/

verb

FORMAL

gerund or present participle: opining

1. hold and state as one's opinion. "“The man is a genius,” he opined" CreecregofLife (talk) 05:09, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

You're already on the internet. Why not do a search first before starting a discussion like this? It's pretty easy to find out on your own that it's a real word. Sergecross73 msg me 11:00, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

It's definitely not one of the great words, though... you know, compared to good old plain-English verbs like said, wrote and felt... Popcornfud (talk) 11:35, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

What’s your point? You dislike word usage because it’s not common enough for you? CreecregofLife (talk) 12:50, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

I'm saying it's purple prose - better to use simple, common plain-English words that don't distract the reader (see WP:MODLANG). You might find Stephen King's argument on this subject of interest. Popcornfud (talk) 16:56, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

"Untitled Sonic the Hedgehog video game" listed at Redirects for discussion

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Gameplay screenshot

Southwestmetal has continued to attempt to replace the existing gameplay screenshot without explanation, despite repeated reversion. I believe that there is no reason to change the existing image. The open world gameplay is both the primary focus of the game and a new element to the Sonic franchise; similarly, the use of more elaborate combat sequences is something that has not been in past games. Having a gameplay screenshot that illustrates both of these new elements is far more helpful to readers than a screenshot of Sonic running through Cyberspace, which is both not the primary gameplay component and does not distinguish easily from the gameplay of the last 15 years' worth of 3D Sonic games. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 23:12, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

Agreed. Sergecross73 msg me 02:00, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

I am going to assume based on the fact that Southwestmetal continues to add the Cyberspace image and has outright refused discussion that their edits can no longer be taken in good faith. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 00:46, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

You've assumed wrong. MetalSlave (talk) 01:47, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

You still haven't given any reason for the image to be changed, despite three people disagreeing and believing it should be left as is, and you've refused to participate in any discussion up until this point, even after being warned. Given the circumstances, it's hard not to see it as willful disruptive editing. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 01:57, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

Okay, great, but you need to actually advance an argument if you wish to get a WP:CONSENSUS in your favor. Sergecross73 msg me 02:28, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

Use of (year)

I'm aware this has been controversial in the past (for some reason), but when using terms such as a genre or the type media a project is, we should be putting the year as part of prose instead of in parenthesis behind it. It should mirror the same format that short descriptions use.

Basically, something like "The Sonic the Hedgehog (2020) feature film" seems forced, while "Development began after the release of Sonic Forces (2017)" is fine. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 12:03, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

Agreed that "The Sonic the Hedgehog (2020) feature film" is forced, but what's wrong with "The Sonic the Hedgehog feature film (2020)"? Popcornfud (talk) 12:23, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

Policy wise, probably nothing. I suppose the question really depends on if we are actually suppose to read it (do screenreaders ignore it?) or are we meant to just process it internally. I've personally always read them, making such formats awkward in some cases. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 12:51, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

Big the Cat

Has anyone gotten their hands on the new issue of Game Informer? I've seen multiple websites reporting on the Frontiers issue mentioning a fishing minigame with Big on Cyberspace, but since I'm not a subscriber and can't read it myself, I don't want to cite the issue unless it's for sure real. Could anyone with access to the issue please confirm? -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 03:00, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

Scratch that, it's confirmed. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 22:20, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

Release Date News

According to the latest Nintendo Direct Mini that came out on June 28, they revealed that Sonic Frontiers comes out Holiday 2022. So that’s why you need edit that release date section. 70.41.154.159 (talk) 18:58, 5 August 2022 (UTC)