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Category:BAFTA Nominees to Category:BAFTA nominees

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Category:BAFTA Winners to Category:BAFTA winners

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The result of the debate was Rename per below suggestions. Vegaswikian 05:10, 16 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Moved from speedy to allow discusion. Vegaswikian 22:48, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

caps -- ProveIt (talk) 14:53, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Science ahead of its time

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The result of the debate was Delete. Vegaswikian 05:02, 16 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This category in its curren state is bad for at least two reasons:

  1. Current the category is a subcategory of only Category:Science fiction themes, yet the title of this category does not a priori restrict to articles related to science fiction — it could just as well be for articles about science or technologies in the real world in the past that was ahead of its time.
  2. The category in its current state has only one article, and two subcategories: Category:Evil scientists and Category:Mad science. I haven't read thru the article to see how it would relate to the category, but the two subcategories would suggest this category is synonymous w/ Category:Mad science.

The second reason would indicate this category is in effect a duplicate and should be deleted. The first reason would indicate that if not deleted, this category should probably be renamed. 131.107.0.106 22:42, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Mexican-American/Chicano Organizations to Category:Mexican-American/Chicano organizations

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Category:Mexican-American/Chicano History to Category:Mexican-American/Chicano history

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The result of the debate was Rename Category:Mexican-American/Chicano Organizations to Category:Mexican-American organizations and Category:Mexican-American/Chicano History to Category:Mexican-American history. Vegaswikian 07:36, 18 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]


Moved from speedy after objection. Vegaswikian 22:39, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

caps --Rockero 16:57, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There is a disctintion, but it's not-so-subtle. But since we already have Category:Chicano, which should be able to accomodate that which is specifically "Chicano".--Rockero 21:36, 8 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Topic lists

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The result of the debate was Delete. Vegaswikian 05:04, 16 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There is no difference between a Topic list and a List. I've gone through all of the articles (and one subcategory) and added them to the appropriate Category:Lists subcategory. JeffW 22:01, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete I don't agree that there is no difference, but the lists of topics themselves look like they have been made redundant by categories, so perhaps they should be deleted as well. Hawkestone 22:26, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. I've never been sure how "topic lists" would be different from "lists by topic", which would be redundant since most top-level categories seem to have "Foo lists" as a sub-cat. ♥ Her Pegship♥ 00:39, 14 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • delete as long as no information will be lost at delete time: everything has been placed in the 'cateogry:lists' or its subcategories. Thanks Hmains 01:39, 14 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • I did make sure that every list had a home in the Lists hierarchy before I put in this nomination. Of course that's no guarantee that more lists weren't added to this category since then. --JeffW 02:43, 14 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Indoor arenas in Serbia and Montenegro

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The result of the debate was Delete (empty) --William Allen Simpson 04:03, 16 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Serbia and Montenegro is no more, and all the articles have been relocated to categories for their respective countries. Punkmorten 21:55, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Football venues in Serbia and Montenegro

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Category:Sports venues in Serbia and Montenegro

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The result of the debate was Delete (empty) --William Allen Simpson 04:03, 16 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Serbia and Montenegro is no more, and all the articles have been relocated to categories for their respective countries. Punkmorten 21:55, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Free-spelling Wikipedians

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The result of the debate was Withdrawn. Vegaswikian 16:52, 9 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Unencyclepedic, most definitely... -- ProveIt (talk) 21:53, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
It was sort of a joke, people expect an encyclopedia to be correctly spelled. Therefore, "creative" spelling is quite literally unencyclopedic. It struck me as funny at the time... I guess you had to be there. My spelling isn't that good either, but I try ... -- ProveIt (talk) 23:19, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
It would be unecyclopedic to use alternative spellings in a wikipedia article, until the revolution came of course. But what I meant was that I think the spelling preferences of wikipedians are relevant, even if in practice, they can only practice their cult on their user page. There are userboxes for people proclaiming that they prefer American English spellings and British English spellings, what about people who advocate freespel, but have the decency not to practice it on Wikipedia. A category to glorify/pay tribute to impulse control. Grumpyyoungman01 00:24, 8 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Married Wikipedians

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The result of the debate was no consensus --William Allen Simpson 04:03, 16 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

For the same reason as Single Wikipedians category is being deleted Carlossuarez46 21:01, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Women by nationality and subcategories

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The result of the debate was Delete. Vegaswikian 05:27, 16 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Keep or rename — "Women by country" would seem like a possible alternative. The Category:American women is perhaps a bad category to consider. Remember the situation varies sigificantly in different countries and cultures. In the United Kingdom for example, there are many sub-categories that fit in with this category, especially with respect to the historical class system. Should not such aspects and differences be documented by Wikipedia in a somewhat systematic way (whether you agree or disagree with them)? Bear in mind also that a significant amount of effort has been made in categorization for some countries. Look at Category:Japanese women for example. It would be good not to take a too nationalistic view in this decision. It would also be interesting to see the gender balance of those taking part in this decision. Perhaps whoever makes the final decision could check this as much as is and comment on it at that point (especially if male and if most of those voting are male :). Jonathan Bowen 11:10, 9 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete or rename as below Let's think through the consequences of allowing this category and its immediate sub-cats by considering one of those subcats Category:American women. There must be thousands of articles about American women on Wikipedia, but currently only 72 of them are directly in this cat. If the thousands of articles abour American women were categorised under this banner then it would be necessary to sub-categorise them. Based on our current practices, this would be done principally on the basis of profession. As Category:American writers can't be a subcat of Category:American women as not all writers are women, it would be necessary to create a category called Category:American women writers. This would be contrary to the category naming conventions and would effectively turn Category:American writers into a male-only cat. The same would apply to all other professions for all other nationalities.
Fortunately this process has not gone too far as yet. What cats are currently in Category:American women are so far mainly those that can de facto only apply to women. However, those who are minded to feel that separate women cats are pro-feminist should note the predominance in many of the nationality subcats of "Fooian models" (factually incorrect in any case, as there are of course male models), "Fooian princesses" and "Fooian Miss World winners".
The cat was previously nominated for deletion on 6 January (see here) and though there was no consensus there was a 10/7 split in favour of deletion, and as the subject has come up again in the discussion on Category:Native American women below, it seems appropriate to look at this again as it is now 6 months later.
While most of the subcats and articles are specifically people cats and can without incident be placed in the appropriate "Fooian people" cat, there are a few which are about the life of women in a particular country. Category:Women of Pakistan, for example, contains Category:Women's organizations of Pakistan and Status of women in Pakistan - both useful, and both deserving of proper categorisation. As an alternative proposal therefore, we might consider renaming all subcats Category:Women in Fooland, removing articles and subcats about individual women and renaming the parent cat Category:Women by country. (Or "Women's issues in Fooland" etc. or some other similar formulation. Valiantis 20:52, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - I believe we weren't supposed to start adding categories by gender. --Hooperbloob 21:43, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Most of these articles are much better off organized into other categories and many of these categories are too badly maintained or contain too many bogus listings to be useful.  freshofftheufoΓΛĿЌ  00:16, 8 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Professional Golfers

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The result of the debate was Delete (no merge up) --William Allen Simpson 04:03, 16 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Moved from speedy. Removal of the capital G orginally proposed by User:ProveIt (talk) 16:48, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Most of the articles about golfers are about professionals. This is not a helpful category. Chicheley 20:48, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong delete We have a thorough categorization system for golfers in place already, which categorises them in several ways - nationality; tour; major championship wins; hall of fame membership. Around 95% of the articles about golfers are about professionals. Almost all professionals except a few early ones are in one or more of the sub-categories of category:Golfers by tour, of which this is a near duplicate. Most of the early-era exceptions I mentioned are in Category:Winners of men's major golf championships. More by tour categories can be created if anyone wishes to populate then, eg there isn't one for the Korean women's tour yet (but then all the female Korean golfers with articles are more notable for their achievements on the LPGA Tour and are in category:LPGA Tour golfers. This category is almost entirely redundant and is not worth the trouble or category clutter. It only contains a few articles whereas there are well over two hundred each in two of the by-tour categories and dozens in several of the others. All notable contemporary professional golfers play on a tour. This category was set up by someone who shows no awareness that golf is played outside the United States. It isn't well thought out and should be killed off. Osomec 21:31, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete I created Category:Amateur golfers, but I didn't create this because all prominent golfers are professional by default unless stated otherwise. Hawkestone 22:29, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per Osomec -- ProveIt (talk) 23:22, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:New Zealand Company

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Category:New Zealand Business

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The result of the debate was Merge. Vegaswikian 05:12, 16 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

See: Category:Companies of New Zealand. -- ProveIt (talk) 18:19, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Spanish-British people

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The result of the debate was Delete (recreated), G4 --William Allen Simpson 04:03, 16 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Has three entries, none of whom are Spanish and all of whom are British subjects. In each case one parent is said in the article to be Spanish, although there is no evidence cited, and no definition of Spanish - i.e. does it means someone born a Spanish national, or someone who had a Spanish ancestor? No definition is provided for the category. It seems to serve no encyclopaedic function. Preferably delete, or if it has to exist, rename 'British subjects with one parent said to be of Spanish descent', which seems the implicit basis for the entries. Smerus 18:09, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Stargateproject to Category:WikiProject Stargate

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The result of the debate was Rename. Vegaswikian 05:14, 16 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

To match other members of Category:WikiProject Science fiction. -- ProveIt (talk) 17:53, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Tribal class destroyers to Category:Tribal class destroyers (1936)

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The result of the debate was Rename. Vegaswikian 05:16, 16 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There were two Tribal classes. The other is already separate, Category:Tribal class destroyers (1905), but this one should be renamed for clarity. This is probably non-controversial but doesn't seem to fit into speedy categories. TomTheHand 17:49, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

An uncontroversial rename, so I moved the articles and subcategory. Gdr 08:53, 8 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Ottawa Senators (Original) to Category:Ottawa Senators (NHA)

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The result of the debate was Rename to Category:Ottawa Senators (original). Vegaswikian 07:27, 18 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Convention is to use league for disambiguation -- ProveIt (talk) 17:34, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Against: The Senators played in both the NHA and NHL... ccwaters 18:16, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Ottawa Senators (Original) players to Category:Ottawa Senators (NHA) players

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The result of the debate was Rename to Category:Ottawa Senators (original) players. Vegaswikian 07:30, 18 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Convention is to use league for disambiguation -- ProveIt (talk) 17:29, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Against: The Senators played in both the NHA and NHL... ccwaters 18:17, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

So would you prefer to merge them into Category:Ottawa Senators players instead? -- ProveIt (talk) 18:22, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
No, that's for the current franchise that was founded in 1992. See Ottawa Senators (Original) for background on the franchise in question. ccwaters 18:26, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
So you want to keep all three player cats? -- ProveIt (talk)
I think that would be best. Maybe the 2 related to the old franchise should be renamed to something like Ottawa Senators (Original NHL) players and Ottawa Senators (Original NHA) players. ?? If you looking for input ask others at WP:HOCKEY. ccwaters 18:50, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Christian demons to Category:Demons in Christianity

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The result of the debate was Rename. Vegaswikian 05:17, 16 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Misleading name. Plus, we already have Category:Angels in Christianity. —Wereon 17:28, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Live-Action/Animated films

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The result of the debate was Already deleted. Vegaswikian 16:50, 9 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure; stumbled across it but it was never listed on cfd. ♥ Her Pegship♥ 17:12, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The tag was added on March 12 by User:Riverflow, who also blanked the category blurb. The user has been indefinatly blocked as a sockpuppet, and seems to have emptied the category into Category:Live-action/animated films - I haven't checked all the contributions, so there may be some missing. SeventyThree(Talk) 17:58, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
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Category:2010s TV shows in the United States

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The result of the debate was Delete --William Allen Simpson 04:03, 16 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Too early for this category. Conscious 16:14, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:National Parks of Peru

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The result of the debate was speedy deletion by CambridgeBayWeather (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA)

Merge into Category:National parks of Peru. -- ProveIt (talk) 15:48, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, will do. -- ProveIt (talk)
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Category:Venezuelan Theaters to Category:Theaters in Venezuela

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The result of the debate was rename to Theatres in Venzuela Tim! 11:43, 17 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

To match other members of Category:Theatres by country -- ProveIt (talk) 15:33, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Wikipedia articles needing priority cleanup

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The result of the debate was Delete (empty), C3, Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Log/2006 June 7 --William Allen Simpson 04:03, 16 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The last of these articles was recently cleaned up. -- Beland 15:02, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Alleged war crimes

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The result of the debate was Delete --William Allen Simpson 04:03, 16 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Unnecessary and POV category created imho for the sole purpose of including some incidents that happened in Iraq. Anything "alleged" should not have a category as there can never be a npov criterium for including what goes in there and what does not. Potential to either become a pov pusher's magnet or huge list that would contain anything that ever happened in any war that was not prosecuted or even where there was no conviction of any war crime being comitted but where someone feels the facts are not represented truthfully. Kalsermar 14:30, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Acid-bases to Category:Acids and bases

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The result of the debate was Was renamed. Vegaswikian 05:06, 16 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The current name is confusing. What in the world is an "acid-base"? —Keenan Pepper 05:10, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Based on what's currently in the category, it looks like the category is not quite "chemical substances that are acids or bases". Instead it seems more about the chemistry related to acids and bases, such as neutralization, buffering agent, etc. So I guess perhaps "acid-base chemistry" might be a more fitting name for the category, at least in its current state? 67.171.31.165 09:32, 8 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I like Category:Acid-base chemistry, that's a good idea. —Keenan Pepper 21:41, 8 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, Category:Acid-base chemistry is clearer to me as well. (Though I'm not a chemist.) --Elkman 21:49, 8 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Works for me, too. Grutness...wha? 00:46, 10 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Dead Underground Rappers

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The result of the debate was Delete (no merge up) --William Allen Simpson 04:03, 16 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

In the CFD debate for Category:Dead rappers, Urthogie (talk · contribs) brought this category to attention. As I argued in the "Dead rappers" CFD, we do not have categories such as "Dead rock musicians" or "Dead writers". In addition to all the reasons for deleting the "dead rappers" cat, who's to say which entertainer is "underground" and which isn't? szyslak (t, c, e) 01:02, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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