User talk:Bishonen

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Talk:Take This Lollipop

Hi. I was wondering if you could protect the page in question. So far, IPs and newly registered users have been using the page for WP:NOTAFORUM posts and nonsense. There hasn’t been a single constructive discussion from any one of them. I chose to approach you personally because you used a similar rationale for protecting Talk:Mohammed bin Salman. Thank you in advance. SunilNevlaFan✨ 17:00, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

Man, what a festival of crap. Semiprotected for a year. Thanks for letting me know, SunilNevlaFan. Bishonen | tålk 18:32, 22 January 2023 (UTC).

Peder Severin Krøyer paintings

I like your revolving artwork and love to see Krøyer's paintings. Marie Krøyer was a beautiful subject, reportedly the prettiest girl in Denmark at the time. The last time we visited Skagen, I bought a book about the Skagen Painters. It burned in the fire, but I just ordered a used copy thet should arrive soon.

• Hip, Hip, Hurrah!
• Summer Evening at Skagen. The Artist's Wife and Dog by the Shore
• P. S. Krøyer's paintings of Marie

Michael Ancher and his wife Anna Ancher were also very talented.

The lighting in Skagen really is special, and having two oceans meeting, crashing together, and battling around one's legs is quite the experience. Well worth the visit. My wife was born about two hours drive from there. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 23:50, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

The Krøyers are hard to resist aren't they. I have visited their home/museum in Skagen - an unassuming cottage full of art. Many of Marie's portraits of her daughter hang there, I really liked them. You'll hardly have seen the Swedish TV feature Selma, about Selma Lagerlöf, from 2008? Not likely... it doesn't even have an English Wikipedia article. I was just watching a rerun, though. Not bad at all, with Helena Bergström as Selma, a good deal more congenial than I've seen her in anything else. Anyway, in that, Marie Krøyer was played extremely well by the Danish actress Sonja Richter. And Göran Stangertz was a pretty useless Strindberg. Well, it was a useless part, with little to do except sneer at women writers and artists, individually and as a group. ("Mrs Krøyer, of course you realize you wouldn't be selling any paintings if it wasn't for your husband?") Realistic as far as it goes, that, for sure, but S had some more complex sides also.

The module [oh la la, she said "module"] that RexxS created for my revolving pics is at Module:Carousel/Shonen. Feel free to add more Skagen paintings to it if you like, Valjean. Bishonen | tålk 05:42, 23 January 2023 (UTC).

"Political hack"?

I'm not sure what you mean by "political hack" in this block summary. Is it part of a IP hack, or is it "hack" as in a minced oath? LilianaUwU ^{(talk / contributions)} 23:58, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

Hi, LilianaUwU. It's hack as in definition 1 and 2 of hack (noun) here, in Wordsmyth: a person who surrenders integrity in return for reward, a flunky. I'm getting this from the edit summary and text here (repeated here) — from the flavor of it. I'll allow that the IP could be just somebody who loves Modi with a passion and speaks from the heart, but, well, I find that hard to believe. Incidentally, the definitions of hack in Wiktionary seem quite incomplete — they focus on computing, whereas the sense I use it in is older, and surely at least equally well-known. I suppose that may be because Wiktionary is "the dictionary that Slashdot wrote". Bishonen | tålk 00:37, 28 January 2023 (UTC).

{ec} It's a standard expression and even has an article: Political hack. The truth of that assessment can be seen in just the edit summaries left by Special:Contributions/2409:40F3:25:FD00:0:0:0:0/64. Johnuniq (talk) 00:39, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

@Johnuniq Oh yeah, I had no reason to doubt it was related to their unreasonable love for Modi. I wondered what exactly the term meant, and you two answered my question. Thanks! LilianaUwU ^{(talk / contributions)} 00:43, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, @Johnuniq: I didn't know we had an article! Or that "political hack pack" was a thing, lol. Bishonen | tålk 18:28, 28 January 2023 (UTC).

Logdelling erroneous blocks

Hi Bishonen. Hope all is well. One minor task I do here is tidy up after erroneous blocks (which lead to incorrect warnings on m:User:Krinkle/Scripts/CVNSimpleOverlay unless I or someone else remove them). In that context I noticed these two actions. I totally get the motivation there, but there's actually a whole thing at WP:REVDEL prohibiting this (even if I personally think that rule's a bit too broad). Would you mind un-logdelling? Thanks. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she|they|xe) 00:45, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

Came to find out what "lodgelling" is. Got a F*** off your not an admin error. Sigh. - Roxy the dog 08:46, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

Good catch, @Tamzin:. But I've thought about it, and I think I won't undo my revdel. The reason given at Wikipedia:Revision_deletion#Log_redaction as to why log redaction is not permitted for "ordinary matters" (and I suppose a misclick is an ordinary matter) is that the community needs to be able to review users' block logs and other logs whether or not proper (bold per original). The community does not in fact need to review WWGB's block; I can't imagine circumstances where that block would be of interest. I'm leaving it revdel'd per WP:IAR: it improves the encyclopedia to oblige WWGB when they request it, because it makes a constructive editor of 16 years' tenure happy, and does not reasonably disoblige anybody. As I told WWGB, I don't for my own part see a "clean" block log as something particularly positive, and am in fact proud of my own more colorful log (featured on my userpage). But clearly they don't feel the same way. Bishonen | tålk 13:08, 28 January 2023 (UTC).

Nope you're right

That's what I was talking about . Fixing it now Elinruby (talk) 07:30, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

CUK

Hi Bish, just to let you know that while this has a certain rationality, it really does look like an OWN conflict with someone who has made less edits to both article and talk space than the individual who opened the thread. While CUK is an inexperienced editor and should be ‘realigned’ to ensure they could be a constructive editor, there was equal disruption from the OP which wasn’t really examined. My comment came in late in the day when it was probably too late, but the problems with the OP (who I have previously had to pull up for misrepresenting sources and adding incorrect information on a BLP) will continue on this and other articles. I don’t expect (or suggest) any change to what’s happened, but it’s worth keeping an eye on in future. Cheers SchroCat (talk) 19:46, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

SchroCat, your statement expressed skepticism of the value of edit counts in assessing disruption and then proceeded to only cite edit counts as evidence of misconduct on Shibbolethink's part. You appear to be repeating the allegation here with no more evidence. Edit counts are particularly unhelpful when it comes to Shibbolethink, who has a habit of repeatedly amending his own comments before others respond. I've told him before that I find the habit suboptimal, but it's doesn't make his editing equally disruptive to CUK's. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 20:16, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

I think this is a fair criticism, that I also probably participated a lot in those discussions. I think when I see a user who is so clearly violating PAGs or furthering a POV, I don't hesitate to reply or comment trying to describe the right course of action. I don't think my replies amounted to bludgeoning, though, as multiple other users also commented and replied to the user, and many of my replies were to comments from CUK directly addressing me in section headings in violation of TPG. There are many threads where I did not reply, or replied once and left the rest up to other users.

I would add that a good portion of the 57 edits that SC describes are me actually fixing CUK's WP:TPG violations. I would say the "# of edits" is indeed a poor metric, given FFFs absolutely true comment that I repeatedly edit talk page comments after posting them. As far as I can tell, this does not go against anything in TPG, which indeed says this is totally kosher to do up until someone replies. And, besides, the complaint actually described "increasing prominence" of ones comments, the length of such comments, and "repeatedly making new discussions" as the issue, not the actual "volume" of responses. In total, I made 68 replies on the page, versus CUK's 82. (in reply or "comment" count, not edit count)

SchroCat has, as far as I can tell, no relationship to the page itself, or the talk. I certainly hope they are not participating here and at ArbE simply because I was involved in a long and drawn out AN thread about their conduct as an anonymous IP. I think, in general, they like to comment on conduct discussions, so I don't think this is HOUDNING or anything like that. But I also would say that our history probably precludes them from being "objective" in this matter. — Shibbolethink ^{(♔ ♕)} 20:35, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

• Bish, I’ll leave my comment for you to discuss, without the misguided accusations of “HOUDNING” (sic), etc., but given the possible grief, feel free to ignore it all. Cheers (and sorry again). SchroCat (talk) 21:22, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

Hi, SchroCat, thanks for following up. I didn't partial-block for the number of CUK's edits, but for their character: I considered (many of) them promotional, while I believe Shibbolethink was playing a defensive game to keep the article neutral. I placed those p-blocks on my own authority, early on in the AE discussion, but left the section open for further input, and it turned out that the other two uninvolved admin who commented agreed with the blocks. (Pay no attention to the technical discussion of p-blocks vs p-bans; as Callanecc says, that's merely about the paperwork.) As for sealioning that you mention, it's explained in our article and I think it's fine word! And relevant here. It comes from this cartoon. Bishonen | tålk 07:53, 1 February 2023 (UTC).

Thanks for coming back to me; I’d query some of the nature of some of the edits made by all sides in this, and it looks like CUK is ‘sinned against as well as sinning’ here. It’s dispiriting to come across someone who reverts input without due concern (while I was editing as an IP, Shibbolethink did exactly that to me on Mark Rylance - going so far as to misrepresent sources on a BLP just to block out my edits, then stonewalling on the talk page and outright lying on what was the STATUS QUO). It seems this may be the case with some of the edits here. It’s easy for a couple of people to push a third party onto the talk page and tie them up in knots over STATUS QUO, while claiming to be keeping an article ‘neutral’. One OWNer’s ‘neutral’ is often not a reflection of the sources. CUK is obviously inexperienced, but needs help, not drama boards to get them to improve. There are some “games” - defensive or otherwise - we do not need see played out on BLPs, and there seems to be similarity with my experience at Rylance; I hope the pattern is not repeated elsewhere, although little surprises me on WP any more.

As a ps, you can ignore the snide insinuation that I have only raised the matter because of the failed AN thread - that's a straw man (and actually another red flag of a battleground 'player' trying to stack the odds in their favour): my concerns are based on the experience from the misrepresenting sources on the Rylance BLP violation, and the sub-standard approach I have seen elsewhere, including Moorgate tube crash. - SchroCat (talk) 08:28, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

My talkpage stalkers...

... are amazing. When they revert vandalism, lightning stands still! It's appreciated, guys. Bishonen | tålk 21:06, 6 February 2023 (UTC).

Ha, this is great, but I've no idea what the stalkers did? Dont care actually, hehe. - Roxy the dog 23:20, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

... Polar bear in a quandry, in case you were wondering. - Roxy the dog 23:22, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

They did what they always do, Roxy: moved as silently as the jungle cat and reverted vandalism to this page faster than the Phantom. The guardian polar bear can't catch everything, I guess. Bishonen | tålk 08:20, 11 March 2023 (UTC).

Block Hammer

Hey do you mind protecting the Ukraine Greece page for persist sockpuppetry? Could use some behavioral based blocks too [[1]] Unbroken Chain (talk) 14:45, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

? I'm not aware of any page called "Ukraine Greece". Please provide the actual page name (preferably in link form) for requests like this. Bishonen | tålk 14:49, 13 February 2023 (UTC).

Maybe start following your own decisions? Seriously, I’m not the one who changed the article title to Odesa. -Correct spelling of cities in Ukraine (talk) 14:50, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

I'm sorry Bish, Greece–Ukraine relations Unbroken Chain (talk) 14:51, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

Already protected by mr ScottishFinnishRadish. Bishonen | tålk 14:53, 13 February 2023 (UTC).

And the obvious sock/meatpuppet blocked. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 14:54, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

You both are amazing. The SPI is undergoing a Checkuser now and there are more accounts. Whack-a-mole time for the SPI folks. Unbroken Chain (talk) 14:57, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

They said they were going to appeal...

...I just didn't expect it to take 7 months before the attempt. Sideswipe9th (talk) 02:52, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

I guess they took my comment pretty literally. Already declined, I see. Bishonen | tålk 08:42, 18 February 2023 (UTC).

"There's no business like show business like no business I know

Everything about it is appealing, everything that traffic will allow"

Yur welcome. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 19:39, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

FWIW, it look like they were pronounally challenged on DEWIKI -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 19:45, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

I was a big fan of "I did nothing wrong" as an unblock rationale directly below You guys are so cool and powerful! why don't you just suck each other off and the one who does a better job gets to ban me. touch grass ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 19:48, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

eeewww -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 20:13, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

Ah, I think I missed that. I do wonder where their "disagreements" with me took place, per the unblock request, as I have no memory of them. Bishonen | tålk 20:19, 18 February 2023 (UTC).

I think they were just lashing out at you because you were the blocking admin, and you asked who they were a sock of. I don't think you actually interacted directly with them anywhere else. Sideswipe9th (talk) 23:40, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

Exactly, that's what I was getting at: it's an example of how they speak at random. Not the only one. Bishonen | tålk 08:27, 19 February 2023 (UTC).

Your pal

Ajwadsabano sought renaming. I declined as it looks like attempted obfuscation. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 19:35, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi, Fritter. Can a blocked user even be renamed? How can they even seek it? Where? (Asking for a friend.) Bishonen | tålk 20:08, 18 February 2023 (UTC).

Global renaming requests on META. There are more ways than I can count. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 20:12, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

Not this user. They were just blocked. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 20:12, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

I'm a little reluctant to reveal the depth of my ignorance, but here goes. Why doesn't this global renaming request show up here? Or here? Bishonen | tålk 20:28, 18 February 2023 (UTC).

Because that's how it shows up. In contribs. Maddening -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 03:04, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

"Absurd evidentiary diff"?

Not to make a federal case out of it, but I don't see the "absurdity" of my evidence relating to Wes sideman. The guy (I assume) goes around like a bull in a china shop, disparaging other editors and reverting their edits with little logic. In the diff I provided he was presented with a long list of sources, other than the Atlanta Constitution, which carried articles on the Shaun White "white Jesus" controversy, at least two of which Wikipedia specifically lists as reliable. He replied: "Again - one article, in the local Atlanta newspaper". That s the kind of thing which certainly gets politicians labeled as liars. Goodtablemanners (talk) 19:36, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

February songs

February songs

my daily stories

Fresh flowers for you, with thanks for petit fours served ;) - My story on 24 February is about Artemy Vedel (TFA by Amitchell235), and I made a suggestion for more peace, - what do you think? - On your great user page, the archive image is too bit for the new layout. I could work for a week to make my archives look halfway decent, sigh. I miss Doug. Just today and by chance, I found a great quote by him, put on my present user page for easy reference. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:20, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for celebrating Ukraine today, Gerda. Too big..? Yes, I suppose it is, but the Stockholm Public Library is pretty big. Better now? Bishonen | tålk 19:49, 24 February 2023 (UTC).

A bit better but ... - I wish Doug was here. I'm afraid that everybody sees things differently now, depending on which skin. For me, the pic escapes the frame on the right, still. I wonder if an upright definition would cure that? I keep using the frame design copied from Br'er Rabbit, without understanding which parameter makes what. Perhaps there's something saying: surround the pic no matter how big, to give the Stockholm archives proper space. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:08, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

I tried now something with your pic that works for me, but how is it for you? - today: two women whose birthday we celebrate today, 99 and 90! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:03, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

It's unsymmetrical for me — was neater before — but only slightly. It'll do. Are you using something abhorrent like Vector? Bishonen | tålk 12:04, 28 February 2023 (UTC).

I use the abhorrent new style because I'm afraid most of our readers will see it that way. Feel free to return, or find a centering device perhaps? - For me, it sticks out of the frame on the right, but you should be pleased. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:31, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

We are talking about the appearance of the "A r c h i v e s" box at User:Bishonen. The image extends past the right-hand side of the box for me in both versions although in the new skin Gerda's version works. I would ask at WP:VPT about how to fix the wikitext but the fundamental problem appears to be an attempt to specify the width of the box as an absolute value while the image it contains is also a fixed width (I think). There would be some clever way of using proportions but changing the box from width:14em; to width:16em; works for me. Johnuniq (talk) 02:03, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

With the bigger image,like this? Or you change it, please, John. Bishonen | tålk 03:47, 1 March 2023 (UTC).

That works for me provided I enable scripting which almost everyone will have enabled. It's likely some guru could improve the html but that might not be needed. Johnuniq (talk) 09:19, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

So... what's scripting? And you replied at 09:19, just after Gerda made another change, John. Is that the version you say works for you? Because I've reverted her last change. It's unattractive, sorry. Bishonen | tålk 10:10, 1 March 2023 (UTC).

We will have to accept that we see different things, depending on the skin, so can't see "it is ugly", but only "what I see looks ugly to me". I see a round-edged box and an image that's inside top left and bottom, but sonsiderably protruding right. I wouldn't cal it ugly but surprising, and wondered if intentionally so. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:19, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

A much bigger box than the photo of Doug Taylor that it sits below is an unattractive element of the page layout. The library pic still protrudes in the new Vector skin? Let's see what John says about that. No, the protrusion is not supposed to be an artistic effect, lol. Bishonen | tålk 10:40, 1 March 2023 (UTC).

I was saying that Gerda's version from 09:15, 1 March 2023 works for me (if WP:JAVASCRIPT is enabled). For me, the Bishonen version from 10:08, 1 March 2023 is broken with the image significantly protruding from the right-hand side of the box even when the browser is maximized on a big screen. The following links should show the current user page in two different skins: monobook and Vector 2022. Both are currently broken for me. Johnuniq (talk) 07:10, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

Wow, the Vector 2022 looks absolutely terrible. But the Monobook looks fine — indeed, that's how it looks for me always, since I use Monobook. I don't understand how that can look broken for you, John. I give up. As for Javascript... well, I have a lot of Javascripts in my User:Bishonen/monobook.js and User:Bishonen/common.js (yes, I have both those, because I'm an idiot). Shouldn't that mean js is enabled? Perhaps I'd better just stop archiving. [Removes archive box.] Definitely better, even if I wish the "Bookmarks" thing would be on the right rather than in the middle, but I can't tell how to achieve that. OK, no archives. Bishonen | tålk 08:31, 2 March 2023 (UTC).

How is this (sorry, drastic change): The archives seem to be no archives of the user page, but of the talk page. Move the whole container to the talk page, with whatever big size of the impressive library? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:25, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

Help!

Hi, Bishonen. I wonder if you will be willing to post the following in the ANI discussion about me:

Unfortunately, my computer has stopped working, and my phone can't cope with really long pages, such as ANI has recently been, making reading the page at times difficult and at times impossible, and making editing the page totally impossible, so I am asking Bishonen if she will help by posting this for me. All I have to say about this is that I've read it, and everything I might have said has already been said. JBW (talk) 08:49, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

Done, Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#User:JBW. Johnuniq (talk) 09:06, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, Johnuniq. 🙂 JBW (talk) 13:45, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

User talk:Mureungdowon#Stop trying to crowbar anti-Korean sentiment into Antisemitism

You seem to like anime and manga in Japan. Therefore, you cannot have an NPOV perspective on my editing. If you didn't like anime and manga, I wouldn't say it could be blocked just because I talked about the similarities between "anti-Semitism" and "anti-Korean sentiment". In this topic, you should not restrict my editing, but other administrators should intervene. I think your intervention is not objective. Mureungdowon (talk) 12:10, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

If you look at your name and user page, you cannot take an objective view because you are Japanese or have a friendly view of Japan even if you are not Japanese. You should never use administrator privileges in this matter. Mureungdowon (talk) 12:14, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

I don't know what kind of identity you have, but it's really upsetting to do a Japanese-style user page and tell me "blocked" about the topic. I believe that if you were an administrator unrelated to Japan, you wouldn't have threatened to "blocked" me with that editing. Mureungdowon (talk) 12:21, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

You had much better join the discussion of your edit that Zero0000 has started on Talk:Antisemitism than make foolish personal assumptions here on my page. I have little to no interest in Japanese (or Korean) topics. Bishonen | tålk 13:40, 26 February 2023 (UTC).

User talk:Zara yee and templated warnings

Yeah, they'd made two edits when I warned them. I don't go digging through templates for wording nitpicks; if it were significant enough (e.g., "You've made ten edits, and all of them have been based on your opinion") I would have added a separate comment to the end of the message. —C.Fred (talk) 13:02, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

C.Fred, I'm sorry I seem to have offended you. That was not my intention. Bishonen | tålk 15:03, 8 March 2023 (UTC).

No, you didn't, not at all. I'm sorry if it came across as if I were offended; I wrote that before I'd had my first coffee of the morning. :) —C.Fred (talk) 02:35, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, we're good. Bishonen | tålk 18:26, 9 March 2023 (UTC).

‎Sebastienostertag topic ban

Hello. I'm not sure if this is the proper way place to put this, so I apologize if its not, but I've noticed that User:‎Sebastienostertag has been making edits in violation of a topic ban. They have continued to edit abortion related articles in ways that mischaracterize the legal limits of U.S. state abortion law and remove trans-inclusive language. Edits to support such claims can be seen here, here, here, and here. RoundSquare (talk) 18:08, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

Not mischaracterizing. That is the law as written in those states. Sebastienostertag (talk) 18:15, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

So what? You are banned from editing all pages and discussions related to abortion. The articles you have been editing actually all have the word abortion in the title, and I urged you to look up what "topic ban" means, so I can't see any room for misunderstanding. Blocked for a week. RoundSquare, thank you very much. Bishonen | tålk 18:25, 9 March 2023 (UTC).

Entschuldigen

Sprechen Sie Hindi? -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 18:22, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

Ha. Non, m'sieur. Bishonen | tålk 19:44, 10 March 2023 (UTC).

Your block of 82.132.184.0/22

Hi Bishonen. I noticed while processing a WP:ACC request that your block of User:82.132.184.0/22 had {{rangeblock|create=yes}} as the block reason, but account creation is still blocked. Could you please either allow account creation (if that was what was intended) or change the block reason to not have the |create=yes parameter? Best, — Mdaniels5757 (talk • contribs) 19:57, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi, Mdaniels5757. I'm sorry, and a little embarrassed, but I didn't know what rangeblock|create=yes means. I was merely parroting the partial 6-month block set by Tamzin, which had been running for 7 weeks, and which I wanted to modify into a sitewide block. (Or maybe I didn't even spot the phrase in her block — I can't say I remember the incident.) See the log. From your post, I understand more or less what it means, i. e. that account creation is allowed. So be it; I've fixed it. Thanks for getting in touch. Bishonen | tålk 20:46, 10 March 2023 (UTC).

I made this mistake on one of my own blocks recently. Perhaps there should be (or already is) a database report for such mismatches. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she|they|xe) 21:03, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

request redirect not delete for Palm Towers AFD

Hi, I see you closed Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Palm Towers (2nd nomination) with "Delete", which is in fact consistent with all !votes but mine, which was for "Redirect". However, on the merits (including that we are obligated to consider and use alternatives to deletion, and there is a good alternative suggested), IMHO the outcome should be "Redirect". Could you possibly please reconsider, and if you can agree please restore the article and then redirect it, instead? I'm maybe sorry to be a bother, but IMHO this stuff matters (including for sake of preventing re-creations of the same articles again and again, because outsider-type editors can't see the edit history). --Doncram (talk,contribs) 09:50, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Before you decide, please also see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Al Mana Tower (2nd nomination) which ran simultaneously, where I copied in my statement from the Palm Towers AFD, and others agreed and it was closed Redirect by User:Ritchie333. --Doncram (talk,contribs) 09:53, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

I'll take a look later, Doncram. I do note that Ritchie and I both closed our respective discussions per consensus, but the cases are undeniably similar. I'll think about it some more. Bishonen | tålk 10:01, 14 March 2023 (UTC).

As Bishonen said, we closed the AfDs with the consensus we were presented with, but it's interesting to see two fairly similar articles get different views at AfD. One possibility, I guess, is that the term "Palm Towers" is a bit more generic and vague, and therefore the participants at that AfD might have felt it to be an unsuitable redirect. Alternatively, as another way forward, we could re-open and re-list the AfD for a further week, asking specifically about the redirect, and if consensus comes back as either "yes, that'll be alright" or "no, we don't want a redirect either", then that's your answer. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 12:02, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Do you mean re-open and re-list both of them, Ritchie333, or just "mine"? Either way, that sounds good to me. If it's not an imposition, do you think you could do it? I'm not really at home in the AFD world; I only know to click "Close", write a rationale, and sit back and watch Twinkle do the rest. Bishonen | tålk 18:09, 14 March 2023 (UTC).

I've re-opened Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Palm Towers (2nd nomination) so it runs for another week. It's basically the same procedure as a deletion review closing as "relist", but with a bit less drama. I don't think anyone's objecting to the Al Mana Tower AfD, so I don't think that needs relisting. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 18:29, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Great! Thanks very much. Bishonen | tålk 19:15, 14 March 2023 (UTC).

Offensive IP post on Talk Page

Hello Bishonen. Thank you for removing what sounds like a nasty post from my Talk Page. I am a bit curious what it was all about, but also maybe it is for the best that I don't know. All the best, MrsSnoozyTurtle 22:10, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

I didn't enjoy this one much, MrsSnoozyTurtle, but frankly, the time I handed in my tools, I really missed being able to read revdel'd posts. My curiosity was killing me. Bishonen | tålk 22:26, 14 March 2023 (UTC).

I know the feeling, I click on the "admins only" link, thinking "I'll just double check this" and every time come away thinking, "jeez, I wish I hadn't read that". Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 22:54, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Yep -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 23:06, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for shielding me from it. Nice pun in the edit summary, Bishonen :) MrsSnoozyTurtle 09:10, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

One-way IBAN

I am feeling pretty harassed. They are following me around, since the Minaro123 AE thread where the result went against them:

• January 2023: Talk:Tuqaq#(resolved)_Error_In_#Ethnopolitical_affiliations_and_in_the_Maintenance_tags_section_above

• Note that ER has never edited any article on Seljuq (or Turkmen) history unlike me. And, the thread is absolutely spurious.

• February 2023: User_talk:HJ_Mitchell/Archive_129#GCB_etc

• Attempt to poison the well, again w/o pinging me. I spotted it quite late.

• March 2023: Today's thread at Harry's t/p.

Do note that I have never interacted with ER since the Minaro123 episode since our editing interests do not align at all. So, I won't even care if it is a two-way IBAN. What say you? TrangaBellam (talk) 13:05, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

• Hi, TrangaBellam. Supposedly I can set I-bans at my sole admin discretion per the Contentious topics system, always assuming I'm able to wrestle the bureaucracy of it to the ground, and maybe I will. It had definitely better be a two-way I-ban, yes; I'm sure I'd get enough protests and indignation over that. As an introductory salvo, I have warned Elinruby (you forgot to ping them, TB!) and have asked Barkeep49 about some technicalities. Bishonen | tålk 14:46, 17 March 2023 (UTC).

  Thanks, Bish. I do not mind the occassional friction, esp. if in good faith, but this is something else, as you rightly recognized. TrangaBellam (talk) 17:02, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

I would love an interaction ban

Please see my answer on my talk page, and the link linked hijacked thread where she threatens me. However I am asking to add her as a party to the Arbcom case fyi so please do exempt that. She keeps begging me to take her to a board so I am gonna. I can't stand bullies is why. Elinruby (talk) 14:51, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

@Bishonen: Elinruby (talk) 14:52, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

sorry for some reason I thought we were on Trangabellam's page. I don't follow her anywhere though, for crying out loud. I watch RSN, and that is why I asked about adding her, and looked her up. And I also need to be able to discuss Aryan Valley, where she completely gutted an article after failing to AfD it because it was "unnecessary" because it was she had already written about some other aspect of the disputed ethnicities up there. Elinruby (talk) 15:00, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Apart from that I would be delighted to have her out of my life. Elinruby (talk) 15:03, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

as for "I have never interacted with Elinruby since Minaro123", ooo. That is *really* misleading.

Strictly speaking this is true, since it is always about that bit extreme newbie biting she did at AE, but I think the link I sent you disproves that. I was minding my own business commenting on an RfA, and WritKeeper was nice enough to fix a tag for me. Does that sound like provocation to you? Elinruby (talk) 15:10, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

To address her complaints above, yes, I wanted to add the Minaro case to the other one, but withdrew after realizing that that editor did seem to be somewhat at fault. My bad, I admit to impulse control as an issue. I am working on it. As for the HJ Mitchell page, that was with respect to only giving her a warning for these repeated behaviors of hers. He said that since she hadn't previously been warned it wouldn't make a difference what I added, and maybe she would amend her ways. It's possible I didn't ping her and if so my mistake. She didn't mention it at the time, just posted a diff where she accused me of distorting a source because I called a town on the line of control a village. I didn't mention a freaking source at all. I was complaining the she rewrote Aryan Valley as I protested in real time and was told that there were no editing restrictions on anything but the the India-Pakistan conflict, and I said that some of these villages are right on the front line. Ok, apparently Kargil is a town. It's also not in Aryan Valley. But anyway. While you are working the logistics of that out could you be kind enough to remind me of the proper search term to find the editor interaction thingie? "Editor interaction tool" isn't working for me. I am sure someone is going to want to to see the diff where she made fun of an article I've never edited then of me for not knowing what to he hell she was talking about. I got editor of the Week for *Operation Car Wash*. I happened to also have a barnstar on my page at the time for contributions to articles in the category of"African cinema" during an editing drive. Also, she is wrong about my edit history. I in fact regularly edit Central Asia, but my interest in that case was the similarity in tactics to what happened to Minaro123. Sorry for all the edits, I forgot To @TrangaBellam:. Done talking here now. Elinruby (talk) 15:36, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

I was minding my own business commenting on an RfA, and WritKeeper was nice enough to fix a tag for me. Does that sound like provocation to you? - WHAT?

I started with, Hi, not creating a new thread ... Why do you make it seem like I had jumped on to some issue that concerned you and WritKeeper? I did not feel like opening a new thread and would have appended my short message to whatever damn thread was the last on your t/p. TrangaBellam (talk) 17:01, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi, what's this in relation to? Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 18:45, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

[Bishzilla sticks the little Writ Keeper in her pocket.] Never mind, little user, not worth the ink! Have sherry on sofa in Victorian parlour. Decompress! [A little more sharply:] Stay! bishzilla _ROARR!! pocket 18:56, 17 March 2023 (UTC).

@Elinruby:, I can ban you both from interacting with each other, with an exemption for you to add evidence about TB to the current "History of Jews in Poland" arb case (especially since I see you have already started to), and for her to respond there if she wishes. But there will be no exemptions for Aryan Valley; a ban is not a Swiss cheese. Instead, see WP:IBAN for how to act if you should run into each other there: "The interaction-banned users are generally allowed to edit the same pages or discussions so long as they avoid each other". They're not allowed to reply to each other in discussions or undo each other's edits to any page, whether by use of the revert function or by other means. If there is good faith, it's simple, really. All right? Bishonen | tålk 18:41, 17 March 2023 (UTC).

		The Admin's Barnstar
		You deserve this for your prompt and tireless efforts as an admin in order to maintain the integrity of Wikipedia, the latest example being protecting the article on Mahishya! Ekdalian (talk) 15:10, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

• Thank you very much, Ekdalian! Bishonen | tålk 15:19, 17 March 2023 (UTC).