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This is an old revision of this page, as edited by ProveIt (talk | contribs) at 19:25, 5 April 2023 (So... has this finally been fully automated?). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

spreading problems around

In the Anuradha Koirala article, an anonymous user made an edit that injected a bunch of prose into the name of an existing reference. AnomieBOT came along and copied that text into another invocation of the same reference name.

Are AnomieBOT's edits monitored? It seems like they should be, becuase it often makes referencing errors worse. Any human editor would've propertly fixed it, but since the bot quickly buried the issue, the problem was hidden for months. -- Mikeblas (talk) 18:18, 4 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You're welcome to volunteer for the job. The actions taken under that task are logged to User:AnomieBOT/OrphanReferenceFixer log for your reviewing convenience. Anomie 23:20, 4 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I'm already doing that job, like most other editors on wikipeida who find themselves cleaning up after the bot. Is there a reason that the bot can't be tested so that it doesn't make disruptive edits? Your tone suggests you believe the bot is beyond question. -- Mikeblas (talk) 17:39, 7 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
If you bring me actual bugs or concrete suggestions for improvement, I'll consider them. If you just whine about every case where the bot doesn't behave perfectly or isn't a human-level AI, I won't have much to say to you. Anomie 13:48, 8 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
An actual bug is listed above, and a dozen or two more are at User:Mikeblas/Robots Behaving Badly. And I discovered another one today, which I manually fixed. My suggestion for improvement has also been given before: turn off the robot until its correctness can be verified. Pretending that it's not making mistakes and rudely dismissing people who try to draw your attention to the issues it is causing is no constructive. -- Mikeblas (talk) 19:10, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Unhelpful edit by AnomieBOT

Hi AnomieBOT. This edit by you (which I have since reverted/fixed) wasn't especially helpful. Regards. DH85868993 (talk) 07:40, 28 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately you used {{cita web}} (intended for use when people are copy-pasting from eswiki or itwiki to translate an article) instead of {{cite web}}, which is flagged for automatic bot-substing, and the bot is not any sort of AI to be able to determine that you probably typoed the template name (and saved without previewing) instead. If you think that typo is common, you might go to the template's talk page and suggest it also accept the English parameter names so the bot-substing produces correct results. Anomie 14:37, 28 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
FWIW, I wasn't the one who added the {{cita web}} to the article. I just noticed your edit because the article is on my watchlist and thought I would let you know. DH85868993 (talk) 07:12, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
In scanning for bad markup, I came across a similar edit and actually others on other articles as well. The bot doesn't need to be omniscient, but I think it would be worthwhile for it to skip subst:ing this template if "titolo" is missing. Before the bot, it's easy for a human to see the error and change "cita web" to "cite web". The bot subst:ing erases the actual cite info from the article, which makes it hard to know what's going on (at first I was just going to erase these broken refs entirely) because the info needed becomes buried in the edit history. (And any subsequent edits make it challenging to undo the subst.) -- Beland (talk) 17:04, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Pages that need to be removed from the auto-redirect job

  1. Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2022-03-27/Eyewitness Wikimedian - Kharkiv, Ukraine
  2. Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2022-03-27/Eyewitness Wikimedian - Vinnytsia, Ukraine
  3. Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2022-03-27/Eyewitness Wikimedian - Western Ukraine
  4. Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2022-04-24/Eyewitness Wikimedian - Vinnytsia, Ukraine
  5. Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2022-08-01/Election guide/Candidate Op-Ed - Farah Jack Mustaklem
  6. Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2022-08-01/Election guide/Candidate Op-Ed - Kunal Mehta
  7. Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2022-08-01/Election guide/Candidate Op-Ed - Michał Buczyński
  8. Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2022-08-01/Election guide/Candidate Op-Ed - Mike Peel
  9. Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2022-08-01/Election guide/Candidate Op-Ed - Shani Evenstein Sigalov
  10. Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2022-08-01/Election guide/Candidate Op-Ed - Tobechukwu Precious Friday
  11. Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2022-08-01/Eyewitness Wikimedian - Vinnytsia, Ukraine

These Signpost redirects have no incoming links, and result in various scripts/analytics not working correctly; can they be added to a whitelist (or a "stay-red list", as it were) for the auto-create task? jp×g 22:05, 6 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

PS. Is it possible to just make a blanket exemption to pages in Signpost space for this task? jp×g 22:06, 6 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@JPxG: It's possible, but I'm not sure it's the best idea. The redirects are intended for cases where someone manually types the page title for some reason and does not know how to type "–". What "various scripts/analytics" do they make not work correctly?
Checking your recent edits, I see reference at Wikipedia talk:Wikipedia Signpost/Technical#Redirects, indices, etc to being unable to exclude redirects from "the PrefixIndex API". However, I note Special:ApiHelp/query+allpages does have a apfilterredir parameter. If you're using prefixsearch instead of allpages, note the text at the top of that module's help page which points out that despite the name that endpoint is not intended as an equivalent to Special:PrefixIndex. Anomie 15:13, 7 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It does indeed use the allpages endpoint; while I could filter redirects from that, it seems much simpler to simply avoid them altogether. They don't seem necessary to me: as far as I can tell, nobody ever types in the titles of Signpost articles directly. Indeed, pageviews for these redirects are extremely low (i.e. Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2022-08-01/Election guide/Candidate Op-Ed - Mike Peel had 12 pageviews the week of publication, probably because it was linked to by accident in a draft version of an article. Furthermore, there aren't many redirects in Signpost article space; to be more precise, there are none, since I cleaned them up yesterday (there were about 150 of them, created incidentally by renamings and typos over the course of 20 years of publication). I am personally averse to the idea of all scripts having to include weird edge-case carveouts for 11 of of 8,000-some pages, although I admit this is my preference rather than an objective fact. Of course, I imagine that you would also prefer to run your bot without weird edge-case carveouts for Signpost pages. At any rate, I have retitled these 11 articles in question to use commas instead of en-dashes to alleviate the issue for now, but would still prefer an exemption for Signpost articles in general. jp×g 23:20, 7 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It seems to me that a script that's supposed to not process redirects skipping all redirects isn't a "weird edge-case carveout". Anomie 12:25, 9 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

The Resilient Barnstar
pats bot ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 01:49, 9 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for helping on recovering the orphan sources. I just want to give you a heads up that per the articles move discussion, i am making major changes to the article, and i will be removing large sets of references. So you may see similar error messages. I appreciate the help. Petra0922 (talk) 23:32, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

On Urdu

Hi @User:Anomie, I'm updating ITN stuff on Urdu Wikipedia and want your bot do some works there? Could you be helpful? For now it would be adding a new date entry at WP:ITN/C and doing archive works the same way it does with ITN/C here. Best, ─ The Aafī (talk) 18:59, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The source code for the bot is available at User:AnomieBOT/source if you want to try to make use of it. I'm not interested in trying to run a bot on a wiki where I'm not at all active and don't even speak the language. Anomie 22:45, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks @Anomie for the source. I need help for one thing. I am not a tech guy but want discussions older than 7 days from Urdu ITN to be auto-archived (and both the pages are set completely). What if I set a archive-bot, which specific codes would I need to copy and how would the archiving command be executed? I'd be thankful if you provide me a beginners guidance. ─ The Aafī (talk) 18:55, 26 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

OrphanReferenceFixer: Blacklisted orphaned reference in Queens - Fixed

When trying to fix orphaned refs in Queens, MediaWiki's spam blacklist complained about about.com. This probably means someone didn't properly clean up after themselves when blacklisting the link and removing existing uses, but a human needs to double-check it. The attempted changes were:

You might also use {{subst:User:Anomie/uw-orphans|1=rm diff|2=fix diff}} to let the remover know, if their edit summary indicates they were specifically removing the blacklisted ref. When you have fixed this issue, please change the section title (e.g. append " - Fixed") or remove this section completely. I will repost the notice if the page is still broken or is re-broken. Thanks! AnomieBOT 19:36, 25 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I made an unrelated edit and was unable to save it because of the existing about.com references already in the article. I then removed these references, which seems to have resolved the issue. Not sure why they were permitted to be added in the first place, however. Keystone18 (talk) 19:45, 25 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
They were clearly added before the site was added to the blacklist. Primefac (talk) 20:23, 25 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Bug with multiple requests per page?

At present I have two requests at Talk:List of programs broadcast by PBS Kids, but only the first one is showing up on the SPERTable. I believe this is a bug with the SPERTable not being able to display more than one request per page, but I'm not 100% certain. If someone more knowledgeable with this stuff than I am could explain the problem and try to fix it, that would be much appreciated. 100.7.44.80 (talk) 23:20, 29 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It's a limitation of how the whole system is designed. Without the bot parsing every page having a request to check for multiples, which is usually not needed, there's not really any way around it. Anomie 12:38, 30 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Just a note. I think the bot has stopped updating since this morning. Regards — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:07, 30 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Database error caused some of the jobs to stop. Restarted. Anomie 13:00, 31 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

TemplateSubster: Template:Uw-ublock has too many transclusions - Fixed

Nota bene* Note that TFD substitutions should now be done via User:AnomieBOT/TFDTemplateSubster rather than by (ab)using TemplateSubster!

In an effort to prevent disruption, I refuse to subst templates that have over 100 transclusions unless they are listed at User:AnomieBOT/TemplateSubster force. Please either edit the template to remove it from Category:Wikipedia templates to be automatically substituted, manually subst the existing transclusions, or add it to User:AnomieBOT/TemplateSubster force to let me know it is OK to subst them. When you have fixed this issue, please change the section title (e.g. append " - Fixed") or remove this section completely. I will repost the notice if the page is still broken or is re-broken. Thanks! AnomieBOT 23:29, 31 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Anomie, it looks like a lot of these "transclusions" are coming from .js pages, which I suspect the bot isn't able to edit in order to subst. For example, Drmies has User:Drmies/defaultBlockSettings.js "calling" the template, in what I suspect is an easier way to preload various options for blocking. Can/should the bot skip .js pages to avoid this sort of issue? Primefac (talk) 09:18, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Ignore that, there are all of 13 pages that fit that description. I have no idea why it's only deciding to throw a fit now (90% of the uses are from before 2020) but I'll add it to the force and we'll go from there. Primefac (talk) 10:17, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Looks like at least part of the problem is that the bot's records seem to be confused somehow. It thinks it already processed various pages for {{uw-ublock}} pointing to the revision where it processed those pages for {{subst:uw-ublock-nonsense}}, so it's not trying to process them again. The count of those, along with script and demo usages, is currently enough to bring the total up to 99, so not surprising that a spate of new taggings would tip it over the edge.
I don't have any idea as to how it got confused in that manner. I added a check for one weird possibility, and I also deleted all the records for this task so the bot will re-try substring those transclusions. Anomie 13:16, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Draftifying

Sorry about the notice again. It's not my script and it shows the user it's notifying, so I'll be more cautious. I don't know why it's not getting the page creator at times. I was paying more attention and it seemed to be showing the right user, but I obviously missed the last one. —Ost (talk) 07:14, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

What appears to have happened in both cases is that someone tried to create a cross-wiki redirect, which AnomieBOT III changed to a soft redirect pending a human looking at it to decide whether it should exist at all. The script you use considers the bot as the one that changed it from a "real" (but nonfunctional) redirect into an "article", so that's what it wants to notify. Anomie 12:14, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"O" error

During this edit, the bot erroneously changed "O'Rurke_Korenaga_2015", "O'Callaghan_2021", and "O'Rourke_et_al_2019" reference names to "O", which broke the lookup of those citations. I've since addressed it manually. Praemonitus (talk) 17:59, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm, I'm surprised MediaWiki accepted those unquoted ref name attributes containing apostrophes, that's not allowed in HTML5. I guess it's the appropriate error recovery behavior though. Anomie 18:12, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Updated the bot to better handle this situation. In the future it should add the quotes to such parameters instead of truncating. Anomie 18:26, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. Praemonitus (talk) 18:40, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Tag dater not working

Hello, the maintenance tag dater appears to not be working ... it's last edit is this one. I noticed this because tags weren't dated after recent edits to the Columbian exchange article. If you could look into this, that'd be great. Thanks! Graham87 01:04, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, restarted. Looks like a database outage had caused various jobs to stop. Anomie 12:26, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Minor issue

I'm trying to repoint Claisen-Schmidt reaction (which is a redirect), from Aldol condensation to Claisen-Schmidt condensation but AnomieBOT keeps overwriting me. Any ideas? Project Osprey (talk) 14:41, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page watcher) @Project Osprey: It's because Claisen–Schmidt reaction redirects to Aldol condensation. The two redirects Claisen-Schmidt reaction (with hyphen) and Claisen–Schmidt reaction (with en-dash) must be kept in synch. Since these are both long-standing redirects, having existed since June 2017, you should take them to WP:RFD and get approval for them to be retargetted. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 15:56, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, I'd missed that, I thought there was only 1 redirect. So, I need to repoint 'en-dash' first and 'AnomieBOT-guarded-hyphen' second? I'm not sure RFD is needed, it's pretty clear cut in my mind (also, nothing links to them, so no harm done) Project Osprey (talk) 16:13, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Would you mind updating this to change the "browser" bar added to use appropriate HTML rather than the table? I think you could just do it by transcluding {{left}} and {{right}}, but if you don't want to use templates, you can steal the implementation from there. Izno (talk) 22:40, 27 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Has there been discussion about this proposal at WT:TFD? With the specific change requested? Anomie 12:59, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I'm asking under the auspices of WP:ACCESS. Tables should not be used for presentation. Izno (talk) 02:13, 1 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
And I'm asking for people at WT:TFD to do the redesign of the pages for that process, rather than one random bot op. Anomie 12:56, 1 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Er, what? I'm not asking as a random bot op (are you trying to say that you're the random bot op?), I'm asking as one of the admins who regularly participates and closes at WP:TFD. I was requesting a same form-fit-function replacement, just not using a table.
Or are you just unsure what that replacement looks like in HTML? I can sketch it out if you prefer.
I'm mostly just confused by your response as the guideline of interest is clear (WP:ACCESS) and a change to support that guideline doesn't need its own separate consensus. It's a clear and obvious improvement to boot. Izno (talk) 05:01, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I'm referring to myself as a random bot op. Why are you so opposed to just starting a discussion about this at WT:TFD? Probably you'll get mostly WP:SILENCE with one or two "sure, good idea" replies, but then if someone complains later I can point them to the discussion there. Anomie 12:47, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Ok. Mostly that seems like unnecessary hassle for the exact same end as you think will occur, especially now that you've pulled the rationale out of me and this could be the discussion pointed to instead. :) But I will go invite users from there to here, so as not to repeat myself. Izno (talk) 20:06, 3 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Izno: I've just updated the bot to use something equivalent to {{subst:TfD log day}} to fetch the header. You should now be able to edit that as you'd like. Anomie 14:46, 1 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note that Category:Articles with disproportional geographic scope and its monthly subcategories have been nominated for deletion here. Posting it here since AnomieBOT creates its monthly subcategories, which would need to be stopped if deleted. ಮಲ್ನಾಡಾಚ್ ಕೊಂಕ್ಣೊ (talk) 05:02, 1 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If Category:Articles with disproportional geographic scope is removed from Category:Wikipedia maintenance categories sorted by month (and also not added to Category:Wikipedia categories sorted by month), AnomieBOT will no longer create dated subcategories. Anomie 12:58, 1 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

BAGBot?

Seems that this task hasn't run since the start of March - the main BRFA page since end of Feb and the BAG status page for about 5 days now. Thanks! Primefac (talk) 11:58, 8 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like some Toolforge issues took out a few tasks with DB errors on the 6th. Restarted. Anomie 12:22, 8 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Excellent, thanks. Primefac (talk) 08:35, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Dubious tag

AnomieBOT left a "dubious" tag on Pope County Militia War concerning officials "took measures intended to influence the Arkansas governor to declare martial law in the county." I've changed that to "attempted to get the Arkansas governor to declare martial law in the county several times."

That officials did that is well documented in the text and references. I've also discussed that on Talk:Pope County Militia War and have removed the "dubious" tag. Caronde (talk) 23:24, 9 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Caronde, not that it matters much, but the tag was added here by a different editor, all the bot did was add a date. You might want to go talk to FloridaArmy if you have issues with their tag. Primefac (talk) 08:35, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. It makes sense that a bot would NOT make such a subjective change (I think). I don't think it matters. I've made repairs, issues are fixed. Caronde (talk) 18:15, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Is AnomieBOT chartered to collapse vertical formatting?

Hi,
In this edit , the bot appears to have made a change to cite web, which doesn't appear on the subst list; unless I've missed something, all it did was collapse the (perfectly acceptable) vertical formatting that was in place. Was that an intended effect? Thanks, NapoliRoma (talk) 22:50, 13 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The bot substed {{site web}} (note spelling), which redirects to {{cite web.}} (note period), which is flagged for bot substitution. Anomie 23:58, 13 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Ha! Completely missed that. It turns out there was an odd apparent vandalism edit that changed "cite" to "site" a few minutes before the bot edit.
(It'd still be nice if the bot didn't take out vertical formatting, but I assume that's an artifact of the subst-ing process.) Regards, NapoliRoma (talk) 06:05, 14 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It would happen if you manually did the substing too. AnomieBOT doesn't do anything special there. Anomie 12:12, 14 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
That's what I suspected -- thanks again. NapoliRoma (talk) 18:32, 14 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Substitution of pin templates

There appears to be a problem with this, I just reverted one at WT:Verifiability, and having checked three at random none are {{pin}} templates they are all failed {{ping}} templates. Apparently this is a common misspelling. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested transmissions °co-ords° 22:55, 18 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

See my below post. I was going to make this after I saw you revert that edit. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 22:58, 18 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks I did not know about the RFD, I'd suggest these need to be mass reverted. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested transmissions °co-ords° 23:08, 18 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ignore pin

Can AnomieBOT ignore all instances of {{pin}} prior to today until the cleanup is finished (Unless it already is)? Prior to today it was a redirect to {{ping}} but after an RFD outcome it now redirects to {{pin section}} which should be substed. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 22:57, 18 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Would have been better to not do the redirect change until after you finish the cleanup. For the moment I've removed the |auto=yes= from Template:Pin section/doc. Anomie 23:36, 18 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed, but they redirected it prior to the cleanup so not much we can really do. Thanks. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 23:41, 18 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Anomie 23:45, 18 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I went ahead and went through the list after all. Anomie 00:00, 19 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
For those coming "cold" to this, Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 March 6#Template:Pin was closed as retarget, and then actioned in the wrong order. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 00:17, 19 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Manual trigger?

Is there a way to trigger this bot manually? Often after a big edit I'd love to ask it to rescue references ... Bon courage (talk) 08:28, 21 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No, there isn't. The bot will likely get to the article on its own before too long. Anomie 11:35, 21 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

CfD header has changed

Can you please tell your bot not to do this? Thanks. * Pppery * it has begun... 23:14, 31 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Why is User:ProveIt creating the pages months in advance instead of letting the bot do it, and where is the canonical source for the header? Anomie 13:13, 1 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Found a possible answer to the second question, apparently a few years back someone created Template:CFD log day and similar templates. Anomie 13:23, 1 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Updated the bot to make use of that template. Still wondering why ProveIt is doing semi-automated botting here though. Anomie 13:58, 1 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Probably because they've been doing it since before AnomieBOT clerked at CfD. * Pppery * it has begun... 20:43, 1 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Near as I can tell, I started making CfD pages around February 2008... if your bot will do it, let me know and I'll stop - Prove It (talk) 19:25, 5 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wrongly deleted a redirect

From Winton F.C. (Glasgow) to Apsley F.C. (Scotland).In Vitrio (talk) 15:43, 4 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page watcher) @In Vitrio: The article Apsley F.C. (Scotland) was created at 12:04, 4 April 2023 (UTC). It did not exist when the redir was deleted at 11:38. The bot was acting correctly. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 18:36, 4 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]