Talk:Poland

Deported

It is written in the article “ in 1939-1941 hundred of thousand of Poles were deported…..” it should be written that they were deported to Siberia. How can the readers know where they were deported? 49.190.243.58 (talk) 04:46, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

Do you have information that any of them were sent to Siberia? It's probably a natural assumption to make, but it's not necessarily a correct one. Of the three imprisonment locations I happen to know about: Kozelsk and Ostashkov are very much in the west of Russia, near Belarus; and Starobilsk is in Ukraine. Those are hardly Siberia. Uporządnicki (talk) 09:58, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

Outdated statistics

Statistics concerning religion and ethnic/national origin of Polish citizens are from 2011. I think this is outdated (if not misleading) considering the changes in the recent years, especially after Russian invasion on Ukraine. 77.222.241.40 (talk) 19:25, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

Distortion of Polands History?

Preliminary: I (Steue) dare placing the German Magazine "Der Spiegel" (The Mirror) on the echelon of the "New York Times" and "The Washington Post".

The "Der Spiegel" has published the following.
(The following is only the short RSS version of a larger online article.):
(Translation by me, Steue)

(Header:)

Geschichte Polens: Historiker erkennen 'Holocaust-Verzerrung' auf Wikipedia
Polands history: Historians recognize 'Holocaust-distortion' on Wikipedia

(Main Text:)

Durch die Nazis wurde Polen völlig zerstört.
By the Nazis Poland was completely destroyed.

Bildet die englischsprachige Wikipedia die historischen Erignisse korrekt ab?
Does the English language Wikipedia represent the historical events correctly?

Zwei Holocaustforscher werfen jetzt einer Gruppe polnischer Nationalisten gezielte Geschichtsverfälschung vor.
Two holocaust researchers now accuse a group of Polish nationalists of intentional (aimed) falsification of history.

Ping welcome, Steue (talk) 18:55, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

There is already Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case #Holocaust in Poland, at least since 13 January 2023.

Ping welcome, Steue (talk) 19:56, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

After I have found out that the "Der Spiegel" has published his online article about six weeks after the en.wp started an arb on this issue, I can no longer uphold my comparison of "Der Spiegel" to the "New York Times" and the "Washington Post".

Ping welcome, Steue (talk) 00:08, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

According to the Central Statistical Office, at the end of 2022 Poland's population amounted to 37.767 million people. The just published UN report for 2023 shows that the current population of Poland is 41,026,067.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/poland-population https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/POL/poland/population W.Kacper (talk) 22:56, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 April 2023

Previous version of the page was more up-to date. The current one is outdated (2023 GDP estimate vs 2022 GDP estimate) Youlol7331x (talk) 16:29, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. M.Bitton (talk) 17:32, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

change

| GDP_PPP = $1.637 trillion

| GDP_PPP_year = 2022

| GDP_PPP_rank = 22nd

| GDP_PPP_per_capita = $43,480

| GDP_PPP_per_capita_rank = 41st

| GDP_nominal = $688 billion

| GDP_nominal_year = 2022

| GDP_nominal_rank = 23rd

| GDP_nominal_per_capita = $18,280

| GDP_nominal_per_capita_rank = 56th

to

| GDP_PPP = $1.664 trillion

| GDP_PPP_year = 2023

| GDP_PPP_rank = 22nd

| GDP_PPP_per_capita = $44,249

| GDP_PPP_per_capita_rank = 41st

| GDP_nominal = $754 billion

| GDP_nominal_year = 2023

| GDP_nominal_rank = 23rd

| GDP_nominal_per_capita = $20,045

| GDP_nominal_per_capita_rank = 56th

| Gini = 27.2

| Gini_year = 2020

| Gini_change = decrease

| Gini_ref = Youlol7331x (talk) 17:45, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

Adding "climate change" as a topic on the page

Hi! A friend and I are now working on a project to include climate change as a topic on the page. We plan on adressing some of the predicted changes in temperature, precipitation, hydrology in general, ecological effects, and shifting climate zones. If you have any comments, questions or recommendations, we'd love to hear them! ILoveWisents (talk) 17:36, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

Perspiration?? Uporządnicki (talk) 20:05, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

Precipitation, oops ILoveWisents (talk) 07:32, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

I guess perspiration and precipitation have a certain amount in common. Uporządnicki (talk) 13:36, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

I might add that we will make a seperate page on Climate Change in Poland, but when that is done, we think it would be nice to refer to it on this page. ILoveWisents (talk) 15:13, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

The Climate change in Poland page is live! ILoveWisents (talk) 14:34, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

What?!

Why poland government system was changed from parliamentary to semi presidential on the wikipedia article? Who change this written text on the article database? according to world map, poland is classified as a parliamentary republic as in colored orange. correct me if i am wrong. 2404:8000:1027:85F6:BDFB:EC65:5566:B0C4 (talk) 16:02, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

Jesus being the king

since my addition of jesus as king of poland to the infobox seems to be controversial and since User:Maxwhollymoralground reverted it, i will discuss here איתן קרסנטי (talk) 12:58, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

There is nothing to discuss, stop trolling. Marcelus (talk) 13:21, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

More and more, I feel like "trolling" actually means, "saying something I strongly disagree with." Uporządnicki (talk) 13:24, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

He did cite a source. Maybe it's Not the best of sources (although I'm the last person to dismiss a source because it happens to identify as Christian), but in the final analysis, all it says is that the thing happened. Uporządnicki (talk) 13:27, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

I am not trolling. this is a serious matter and I want to know why you and other people are against my edit and hopefully achieve a consensus איתן קרסנטי (talk) 13:29, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

• Without comment on the merits and speaking only to the policies on titles here: be aware that for an entry to be in the info box as an official position, a title must be something accepted by the local public and world commmunity, not just an informal "man of the year" or similar. "King of England" is a title established within the law of England, as another example. Just saying a source proclaimed someone a "king" isn't sufficient, you will need to provide sourcing showing the office exists, then showing who occupies that office or position. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 13:43, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

  I do have two sources which state that there was a vote in the polish parliament about this and that the bill passed, and if the title of king of Poland was given to someone, it means the title exists.

  https://www.vice.com/en/article/7bmwgq/jesus-christ-king-of-poland-876

  https://ucatholic.com/blog/did-you-know-jesus-is-officially-the-king-of-poland/ איתן קרסנטי (talk) 14:29, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

  Your comparison of the 'King of England' title to this situation is a bit apples-to-oranges, wouldn't you agree? Just as England has its own unique legal and historical frameworks that shape its monarchial status, Poland too has its unique cultural, religious, and even legal nuances that, believe it or not, go beyond the scope of Wikipedia's 'official position' definition.

  You've cautioned against using a 'man of the year' analogy, but I must also point out that the proclamation of Jesus Christ as the King of Poland wasn't a mere symbolic title awarded on a whim, like a whimsical annual honorific. It was an official recognition, given by the Polish Bishops and the President of Poland, Andrzej Duda, himself in 2016 with numerous witnesses and news outlets attesting to it. It was officiated by the highest-ranking representatives of both the Polish state and the Polish Catholic Church. If that's not public acceptance, I'm not quite sure what is.

  'accepted by the local public and world community' - While I do see the logic behind this for a secular, geopolitical title, applying this to a religious title in a predominantly Christian country seems a bit overreaching. Are we now also subjecting faith and belief to the trial of global public opinion? Wikipedia's role is to reflect what is verifiable. And the Kingly title of Jesus Christ in Poland is as verifiable as it gets. WordSwimmer901 (talk) 06:56, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

Yes, Poland did indeed declare Jesus as their King. Darncoolcreeper (talk) 15:59, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

@AzseicsoK, @Darncoolcreeper, @איתן קרסנטי; That's incorrect, never such bill was passed, it was just a purely religious ceremony in November 2016, and even it wasn't specific enough to claim that. Marcelus (talk) 16:45, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

what do you mean? I showed you two sources showing that there WAS a bill. In addition, if it was purely religious, why was the president involved and why was there a need for a vote in parliament? איתן קרסנטי (talk) 17:11, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

You didn't show any reliable source. Give me the name of the bill and date of the voting. Marcelus (talk) 17:16, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

I am pretty sure this is the bill:

https://www.sejm.gov.pl/sejm8.nsf/PrzebiegProc.xsp?id=C3C772E7286D47DBC1257F930036E831 איתן קרסנטי (talk) 17:59, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

And this bill doesn't seem to say anything at all; it seems (from my poor understanding of Polish) to be just a call for the celebration of the 1050th anniversary of the baptism of Mieszko I and the founding of the Polish state. No kings. --jpgordon^{𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇} 18:47, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

No, there is no mention of Christ being king of Poland. For you own good let's end it here. Don't make edit like this without actualy sources anymore, because it looks like WP:DISRUPTIVE editing. Marcelus (talk) 19:29, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

I can't couldn't any bill on SEJM regarding this. I found this article on the Polish journalism website OKO.press:

https://oko.press/jezus-krolem-polski-sie-wydarzylo-lagiewnikach-robil-prezydent-duda

It would be helpful for a Polish speaking wikipedian to verify this but it seems to include quotes from spokespeople of the Polish Church that it was not a politcal act but an act of faith. Minimarshoo (talk) 20:14, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

This is an unnecessary step. Whatever is written there, dead people can't hold offices, Poland is a parliamentary republic with a President as head of state and this is nonsense. Maxwhollymoralground (talk) 20:18, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

Well that’s not true even if you are ignoring that Jesus is not considered dead to Christians. In the US George Washington holds the highest military title past present and future. A title/office is not dependent on whether you are alive. Life and office are not dependent on one another.

https://www.wearethemighty.com/popular/george-washington-kind-six-star-general/ 2600:1700:62C0:34A0:B467:C9C3:41E:A39C (talk) 01:29, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

You know what's nonsense? Having a mental breakdown because someone suggested something. My source is my polish friend and indeed Jesus was proclaimed King in 2016 not only by the government but by the people of Poland, and no Jesus is not dead, that's why the government type should be renamed to constitutional theocracy or a regency, because Jesus will return. NikaUbi (talk) 03:19, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

"my friend said so" is as reliable as a source as "trust me bro". Take your Christian fundamentalist nonsense elsewhere, because it doesn't belong in an encyclopedia. Maxwhollymoralground (talk) 13:07, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

Good thing He isn’t dead. Darncoolcreeper (talk) 06:57, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

This is an encyclopedia, not your bible reading club. Maxwhollymoralground (talk) 13:05, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

In the eyes of Poland (Catholic Country), Jesus Christ is not dead, though. Why do you think they had this ceremony in the first place? WordSwimmer901 (talk) 05:34, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

Poland is a secular state, with a secular constitution and freedom of religion. The vast majority being of catholic faith has NO bearing whatsoever on this. Maxwhollymoralground (talk) 17:29, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

The amount of mental gymnastics required to put "King" under "President" and "Unitary parliamentary REPUBLIC" is truly astonishing and this is either ignorance or trolling. Maxwhollymoralground (talk) 20:12, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

Because the presidency here is more like Horthy's regency that's why it's no longer a parliamentary republic, it's a constitutional theocracy, or a regency. Plus Poles were always known gor the weird way of ruling the country so. NikaUbi (talk) 03:20, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

I see you ran out of arguments and resorted to calling us ignorant trolls איתן קרסנטי (talk) 06:21, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

You failed to provide any reliable source; there is no reason to consider your actions anything else than trolling Marcelus (talk) 10:25, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

I don't see a problem with this change to the info box. Most Polish people accept that Jesus Christ is the King of Poland since 2016. Given the religious and theological consensus of Poland, Jesus Christ is 'Risen' and not dead. Titles are not a zero-sum game. The existence of a 'President' and a 'Unitary parliamentary REPUBLIC' doesn't negate the title of 'King.' They are not mutually exclusive, just as your lack of understanding doesn't exclude your potential to learn. Look at the info box most of Poland is Christian!

Also, can't help but notice the paradox here: according to Wikipedia's own guidelines, 'Verifiability, not truth, is one of the principal thresholds for inclusion'. You can verify the Kingly title of Jesus Christ in Poland in countless news reports and documents. Yet, because it doesn't fit with your secular worldview, you'd rather remove it? Seems like 'verifiability' is only relevant when it doesn't threaten your bias.

Adding 'King' in the info box isn't about literally positioning Jesus Christ in Poland's political structure; it's about representing a significant aspect of Polish identity and belief. Your attempt to reduce this to a simplistic debate about governance structure betrays your own 'astonishing' ignorance of the complexity of human culture and spirituality.

The question of legislation arises when something has legal implications or when it changes the functioning of the state apparatus. Recognizing Jesus Christ as King does neither. Wikipedia is a platform to share knowledge, not to impose the narrow constraints of bureaucratic thinking on the vast expanse of human experience.

It's not every day you come across a country recognizing a spiritual figure as its king. It's unique, it's different, and it's distinctly Polish. And isn't that the beauty of this world? The diverse, sometimes confounding, yet always fascinating ways we humans express our identities and beliefs. Wikipedia should reflect this. Not trim it down to fit a one-size-fits-all mold. That's not knowledge sharing; it's knowledge reduction. WordSwimmer901 (talk) 06:42, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

You are new to Wikipedia, so let me explain something to you. Talk pages aren't forums, they are to discuss content not to present your own opinions etc. (read WP:NOTAFORUM), in order to make a change in article you need to provide reliable sources (WP:RELIABLE). Marcelus (talk) 10:28, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

However, it seems you may be the one in need of a refresher. What we're discussing here isn't about my opinion or your opinion, it's about recognizing a societal fact in Poland, a country that has officially acknowledged Jesus Christ as its King. This is not a personal belief I'm imposing, it's a factual event.

You see, WP:NOTAFORUM goes both ways. Your rejection of this valid point based on your own ideological perspective is just as misplaced as you accuse my statements to be. This is about the accurate representation of a cultural and societal reality, not a battleground for personal beliefs.

Revisit WP:AGF. It stands for "Assume Good Faith." This principle encourages us to believe that fellow contributors are trying to help Wikipedia, not harm it. It's a call to stay open-minded, to give each other the benefit of the doubt. A concept that seems to have eluded you and Max in this instance.

Lastly, while we're on the topic of Wikipedia guidelines, let's take a moment to consider WP:NPOV, or "Neutral Point of View." This pillar of Wikipedia encourages us to represent fairly and proportionately all the significant views that have been published by sources.

Jesus Christ was celebrated as King of Poland in a ceremony attended by the country's president, Andrzej Duda, in 2016. This event took place at the Church of Divine Mercy in Krakow and was echoed in churches across Poland the following day. The timing of this declaration was no accident - it coincided with the end of the Catholic Church's Jubilee Year of Mercy and the 1050th anniversary of Polish Christianity

This isn't so far fetched considering the Virgin Mary is celebrated as the Queen of Poland since 1656 (a whole paged dedicated to it):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Most_Holy_Virgin_Mary,_Queen_of_Poland

Like I said, no political ramifications.

Here are both Christian and secular sources and there are more out there:

https://www.vice.com/en/article/7bmwgq/jesus-christ-king-of-poland-876

https://godskingdom.org/blog/2016/12/poland-declares-jesus-christ-as-king

https://www.worldreligionnews.com/religion-news/poland-declares-christ-as-king/

https://wwrn.org/articles/46352/

https://www.heraldmalaysia.com/news/jesus-christ-has-officially-been-declared-the-king-of-poland/33323/2

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-07-18/religion-and-power-reunite-in-modern-poland

http://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/cwn/2016/november/poland-declares-jesus-king-of-the-country

Logically, with a country that is 88%+ Catholic - something like this needs to be at least discussed and mentioned. WordSwimmer901 (talk) 11:41, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

https://wiadomosci.gazeta.pl/wiadomosci/7,114883,21000510,tlumy-na-intronizacji-jezusa-na-krola-polski-uroczystosc-trwa.html

Wanted to include the source from gazeta.pl WordSwimmer901 (talk) 12:37, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

There seems to be quite a sufficient number of English-language RS saying Jesus Christ was declared the King of Poland:

• Poland's Bishops, People, and President Formally Declare Christ Their King by National Catholic Register.
• Poland Declares Jesus King of the Country by Christian Broadcasting Network.
• Jesus Christ Is Now Officially the King of Poland by Vice (magazine).

Furthermore, parameters like "Patron" exist for military unit pages and those patrons are frequently people that are universally considered to be long dead in body, no matter one's religious views. There is really no reason to not include Jesus Christ as King of Poland. Perhaps this whole situation of Jesus being King of Poland might warrant an explanation in a note about what the people who did it mean by it and its significance.

Also, there's this:

• Polish parliament recognizes coronation of Mary as nation's queen by Catholic News Agency.--Cukrakalnis (talk) 11:48, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

What you and the other Christians in this thread don't seem to understand is that Wikipedia infoboxes, in particular the governance section, have to purpose to inform the reader about a given country's govermental structure, including the current head of state, head of government, system of government etc. Not to acknowledge nonsense trivia; ESPECIALLY if it contradicts everything else. A republic can't be a monarchy, dead people can't be "incumbents" and you can't have two heads of state. This is completely irrespective of the country being predominantly Christian. You are pushing your religious beliefs onto an encyclopedia. Maxwhollymoralground (talk) 13:16, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

I think at this point, @Cukrakalnis, @WordSwimmer901, and @איתן קרסנטי should be ignored, unless they provide, reliable source (legal document) stating that Poland is a monarchy and that Christ is currently king of Poland. We provided them with enough information to assume that if they still will be pushing this fringe agenda, they are trolling and performing disruptive editing. Marcelus (talk) 13:22, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

Exactly. Maxwhollymoralground (talk) 13:31, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

Point 1: I am a believing Catholic. Point 2: I am of very immediate Polish heritage. Point 3: While I haven't seen anything thoroughly convincing (I can't open the Bloomberg, and don't trust them anyway, since they once "reported" that NASA had sent a probe to the center of the Sun), I'm actually inclined to believe that the declaration was legally and officially passed. NEVERTHELESS, I happen to think it does NOT belong in the Infobox (notwithstanding the fact that I've implied here that the OP might have a more valid point than s/he was credited with).

HOWEVER, it could perhaps lead to easier consensus IF some of the comments opposing the idea didn't seem to have, if not an anti-Catholic tone, then at least a sort of turn-up-our-noses-at-those-Christians undertone. Uporządnicki (talk) 14:00, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

WP:NOTAFORUM, stay on topic. Your personal believes are irrelevant. Marcelus (talk) 14:04, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

Too add to WP:NOTAFORUM, nobody here EVER showed an anti-Catholic tone. Maxwhollymoralground (talk) 14:17, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

The tone of the discussion is perfectly relevant to the discussion; and I mentioned the Points to say where I'm coming from in my opinion on the topic. And anti-Catholic, maybe not--sort of dismissive of people who actually believe in that stuff called Christianity. Uporządnicki (talk) 14:27, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

@Marcelus No one was saying that Poland is a monarchy. The declaration saying that Jesus Christ is King of Poland was literally done by the President of the REPUBLIC of Poland.

Reminder: WP:Disruptive editing and WP:Trolling have specific definitions, and accusing others of purposefully editing for the sake of provoking others (which is what trolls are) without serious evidence is a case of WP:Personal attack. Please refrain from doing so, in accordance with the WP:NPA. Cukrakalnis (talk) 20:06, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

President doesn't have that constitutional power, he can as well declare you emperor of the universe, equally meaningless. Stop pushing this ridiculous agenda. If you want to report me, feel free to do so, my pleasure. Marcelus (talk) 20:20, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

1. Two people can be heads of state, look at San Marino for example

1.5 in the case of Poland: in the 17th century Mary, Mother of Jesus was declared queen of Poland, meaning there were 2 queens of Poland at the time

2. "dead people can't be incubments" I think someone else here mentioned that George Washington got a rank in the US army even after he was dead, proving it's possible for a dead guy to be an incubment

3. You claim to have no anti-christian bias yet you refuse to consider the fact that Christians do not believe Jesus is dead

4. even if we agree to your idea that dead people can't be kings, it doesn't matter in the case of Poland since they are Christians, meaning that it should make perfect sense for the majority of polish people that Jesus is the king of poland

5. "A republic can't be a monarchy" say that to the President of Poland who was present in the coronation of Jesus in 2016 איתן קרסנטי (talk) 09:30, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

Jokes or symbolic declarations don't belong in infobox. This is not a Jokepedia (see also WP:BJAODN). In the spirit of things, however, I am willing to change my mind if the subject in question states, in the interview, that they accept this position. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 14:15, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

We do list many " ceremonial " heads of states. I can understand the resistance here as an academic this seems nonsensical, but they should be covered in the article.... perhaps best moved to the religion section. Moxy- 15:01, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

That would be OK. I mean, people all over the world proclaim "Christ is King", and even a government might make this proclamation, but "render unto Caesar" applies here. Caesars belong in governmental infoboxes, Christs don't. --jpgordon^{𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇} 15:17, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

I think this is trivial/finge-ish/WP:NOTNEWSish enough that it belongs only in subarticle, perhaps about Religion in Poland or such. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:58, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

That would be a good place for it, yes. --jpgordon^{𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇} 04:36, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

Good idea, does anybody object to this proposal? איתן קרסנטי (talk) 05:04, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

How can something that the highest level of political and religious leaders in Poland fervently believe be considered trivial/finge-ish/WP:NOTNEWSish? When I read that section, none of the four points in WP:NOTNEWSish sound applicable to this case.

Perhaps a solution would be to have a note in the religion section of the infobox, which would be next to Christianity saying something along the lines that "Jesus Christ, the central figure of Christianity, was declared King of Poland in 2016 by the President of Poland Andrzej Duda and the Polish bishops." Cukrakalnis (talk) 19:53, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

37 Pilate therefore said to Him, “Are You a king then?”

Jesus answered, “You say rightly that I am a king. For this cause I was born, and for this cause I have come into the world, that I should bear witness to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth hears My voice.”

-Jesus Christ in an interview with Pilate (John 18:37)

Looks like He accepted it in advance :) JackPrime4481 (talk) 23:37, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

User:WordSwimmer901 and User:JackPrime4481 have been blocked for abusing multiple accounts. --jpgordon^{𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇} 04:36, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

Again, this is an encyclopedia, not your bible reading club. Maxwhollymoralground (talk) 17:29, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

It seemed to me that he was responding to Pirotus, in which case the Bible verse was definitely relevant. Am I wrong? F1907 (talk) 17:41, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

Etymology section

This should include why the name "Rzeczpospolita" exists and why it is technically interchangeable with the Polish name "Republika" which is used for other countries but not Poland; and why the direct translation into English as 'Commonwealth' is and isn't correct. 82.19.153.78 (talk) 03:41, 7 June 2023 (UTC)