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boot polishing incident
I have been unable to find a source associating a Major Coffin with the “boot polishing incident“. If one exists it should be included.
For that matter, the sources I have checked seem to describe the incident without corroboration. There seem to be variations of the story. What about the witnesses? Is there a reliable secondary source which not only repeats the story but explains the origin? Something better than “tall tales of the revolution“ by Currier and Ives. Humphrey Tribble (talk) 00:58, 23 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Deleted mention of Major Coffin. Page 20–21 of Vol 1. of Remini's comprehensive biography specifically mentions Major Coffin in the incident, but neither Meacham, who is the cited source in the text, nor Wilentz does. Mention of Coffin is not in the illustration either. Wtfiv (talk) 21:17, 24 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Well, there are still some remaining problems with how the article describes this incident.
Page 20-21 of Remini's 1977 book says on Page 20 that Lord Rawdon "dispatched a small company of dragoons under Major Coffin", on Page 21 then mentions "an officer in command of the dragoons" and "the officer" but never specifically states that officer's name in specific connection with the boot-polishing. Then, Remini quotes one "early historian" as stating "afterwards occasioned his death" as if Remini is quoting the source but those exact words do not appear in the footnoted source, which is Eaton's 1817 "The Life of Andrew Jackson:...". Eaton - the source - states "Coffin's dragoons" but then says "..ordered, in a very imperious tone, by a British officer..." and never refers to the officer by name. Now, the problem is that this Wikipedia article states as its source Meacham's "Lion" biography but Meacham does not say anything close to "the British officer in charge", he only describes this orderer of boot polishing as "an imperious officer" which, after all, is closer to what Eaton - Remini's source - actually wrote (keeping in mind that "imperious tone"). So, yes...no Coffin and, actually, no "officer in charge" either. Shearonink (talk) 22:27, 24 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Did you bother to read the article? His status as a slave owner has an entire section devoted to it. :"Like most planters in the Southern United States, Jackson used slave labor. In 1804, Jackson had nine African American slaves; by 1820, he had over 100; and by his death in 1845, he had over 150." Dimadick (talk) 16:44, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It's a good bet that the IP didn't read past the first paragraph of the lede, if they even bothered to read that. The very second paragraph of the lede says, "Jackson purchased a property later known as the Hermitage, becoming a wealthy planter who owned hundreds of African American slaves." Time waster. Carlstak (talk) 17:45, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I think it would be more clear if it said, "A wealthy planter who owned hundreds of African American slaves over time", or alternatively, during his life. What does the community think? Carlstak (talk) 13:34, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The main article states Over his lifetime, he owned a total of 300 slaves. But if it seems helpful to add the qualifier to the lead, please do. Wtfiv (talk) 15:51, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Made the bold edit to add "during his lifetime" as I felt this most closely resembled what was stated in greater detail within the article but also was slightly different wording that closely resembled the best fitting suggestion by @Carlstak. As noted, because this is a bold edit, I am not against any addition to, altering or reversion of this edit should someone oppose the edit or suggest something different. --ARoseWolf16:20, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I think ARoseWolf's bold edit is just fine, and I can't see why anyone would oppose it, since per the sources, it's pretty much incontrovertible. Thanks to Dimadick for bringing this up. Carlstak (talk) 17:03, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Photo or a porter
judging by your logic we should change Quincy Adams images too. I think that Andrew Jackson's portrait is misleading readers of Wiki. The photo reveals the personality of the US president and the controversy surrounding his figure, portraits can also be left, but only in the article itself ArmenAir (talk) 19:23, 3 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I think the portrait should be left as is. The photo is depicted later in the article when discussing his retirement and legacy. I see no policy issue. I would also like to remind @ArmenAir that consensus is generally decided locally on each article and this article is not necessarily bound by what another article, even of a US president, looks like or what consensus is decided on those articles. If someone can convince me that there is a policy issue with the portrait or that there is a logical reason to exchange it for another image, other than personal preference, then that could change so further discussion is always welcome. --ARoseWolf15:36, 4 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I'm in agreement with ARoseWolf. The daguerreotype reflects Jackson at the year of his death, which was a different time of his life. I think the painted portrait by Earl, who was Jackson's preferred painter while Jackson was president, represents Jackson how he was seen in the prime of his public career. The daguerreotype is already in the article where it illustrates what he looked like in his final year of life. Let's see if there is any consensus in favor of the daguerreotype going in the infobox. Wtfiv (talk) 15:47, 4 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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