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al-Zaidi's allegations of torture were never verified

Furthermore, he was found finally guilty in the Iraqi courts of assault. Several well-regarded sources that attested to these points were removed without discussion. There is no doubt that most Iraqis were sympathetic to al-Zaidi, but popular opinion alone does not validate his torture claims nor does it pardon him from the crime that he was convicted of. Lulaq (talk) 17:22, 14 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • The investigating judge confirmed he had been tortured, as did his lawyer, and this has been referenced. Izzedine 13:19, 21 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • I scoured the entire article trying to validate your claim. Nowhere was there ever an official finding of torture. And if we took every lawyer's statement about his client as undisputed fact, there would be no one in jail and every civil lawsuit would result in default judgment for the plaintiff. Lulaq (talk) 07:38, 23 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
No, this is what the judge said, "The reporter, Muntazer al-Zaidi, had bruises on his face and around his eyes, said the judge, Dhia al-Kinani said." That does not mean he was beaten, and being beaten does not mean he was tortured. Please see WP:SYN and avoid original research. Lulaq (talk) 04:33, 28 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
A number of Arab sources said he was beaten. Did any English sources say he wasn't beaten?--69.219.235.167 (talk) 04:28, 26 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The implied insinuation of falseness

It is interesting how Wikipedia records facts from outside the western world: "Al-Zaidi has been described as having been "embraced around the Arab world."". If this was an American and a US news source said "he was embraced around the western world", then that's exactly what the article would say probably verbatim instead of specifying he 'has been described' as such, but now it is presented as a pseudo-fact and I bet you didn't even notice this. --213.130.255.33 (talk) 23:39, 28 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Probably because Wikipedia is controlled by Mossad. ninety:one 23:45, 28 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
That English Wikipedia being edited 90% by English speakers leads to systemic bias hardly seems suprising. The point is to make sure that everything is attributed to a particular source.--69.219.235.167 (talk) 04:24, 26 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Bias, and Quotation marks.

Whether your for or against the guy, people need to stop putting stuff, like "the protestors were broken up", etc. And the "plight of Iraws children" should of been quoted. It isnt the same to everyone. Use qoutation symbols too. That way we can avoid confusion —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.191.49.80 (talk) 22:25, 13 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Shoeing

The Section under incidents inspired by al zaidi is word for word already in the article Shoeing and should be removed to decrease the size of this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.38.59.162 (talk) 17:50, 14 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Reason the shoes were destroyed?

The lead says that the shoes were destroyed to keep them out of a museum, but the linked source (and the article, further down) says that they were destroyed while searching them for explosives. Which one is true? (Or was it both?) In any case, if the lead is going to say that they were destroyed for that reason, we need a source specifically saying so. --Aquillion (talk) 02:14, 25 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

So much detail

Is this not an insanely long and detailed article for a guy who threw a shoe at the President? Was this really such an important incident to warrant a twenty-page Wikipedia entry? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.119.49.213 (talk) 13:38, 2 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

agreed, if only he hit the target.... 131.176.243.9 (talk) 09:56, 2 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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"Official" transliteration

On Muntadhar's Twitter page he calls himself "muntadher al-zaidi".[1] Should this be the spelling we use? puggo (talk) 16:46, 19 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ "الصحافي منتظر الزيدي muntadher al-zaidi (@muntazer_zaidi) | Twitter". twitter.com. Retrieved 2019-05-19.

This

What do you make of this? not sure if it is RS. Lightburst (talk) 22:40, 17 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 14 December 2023

Please add a reference and move references at the end of the "George W. Bush shoeing" section, as follows: (nowiki applied for clarity in sharing markup)

Existing: He vowed to release the names of those who he said tortured him, including senior officials in the government and the army. After being interviewed by [[Reuters]] on 7 February 2023, al-Zaidi stated that he never regretted throwing his shoes at President Bush.<ref name="WapoFreed"/><ref name="times_freed"/>

New: He vowed to release the names of those who he said tortured him, including senior officials in the government and the army.<ref name="WapoFreed"/><ref name="times_freed"/> After being interviewed by [[Reuters]] on 7 February 2023, al-Zaidi stated that he never regretted throwing his shoes at President Bush.<ref>{{cite news|title=No regrets from the Iraqi who threw his shoes at Bush|author=Maher Nazeh|work=[[Reuters]]|date=14 March 2023|url=https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/no-regrets-iraqi-who-threw-his-shoes-bush-2023-03-14/|accessdate=14 December 2023}}</ref> 125.239.152.135 (talk) 02:34, 14 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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