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information sources

Some information sources about the event: Japan Metereological Agency entry. livestream of Wajima during event. Noto-Chirihama Live Camera. NHK tsunami warning page (IA snapshot) Baltakatei 08:10, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

AgendaFree TV LiveStream:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMXwBkzU_m4 203.166.238.2 (talk) 10:06, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Title

Did it strike the Sea of Japan or was it based on Japanese soil itself? Borgenland (talk) 08:32, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The epicentre of the quake was on Japanese soil, if that's what you meant. Sadustu Tau (talk) 08:33, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 1 January 2024

2024 Sea of Japan earthquake → ? – In that case (see discussion on Title) the current title needs to be changed. Preferably 2024 Japan earthquake Borgenland (talk) 08:42, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

An earthquake of this size expecially, would not be limited to its immediate epicenter area when defining "struck". These would be characterized as rupture across a broad area of a fault; it would have dimensions to it. Dora the Axe-plorer (explore) 08:46, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The USGS and Japan meteorological agency both have the epicenter on land. Kiwiz1338 (talk) 08:58, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
While the main earthquake has it's epicenter on the Noto Peninsula, the numerous foreshocks and aftershocks are both on land and sea. As @Dora the Axe-plorer mentioned, this event is over the area of a large fault. Given the large geographic distribution of these related quakes and precedent of naming earthquakes after the prefecture where (or near) it occurred (see 2023 Ishikawa earthquake and List of earthquakes in Japan), I believe the name should be changed to "2024 Ishikawa earthquake" Sapiann (talk) 09:24, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The latest finite fault by USGS shows a rupture extending to Sado Island; that's about 200 km. Dora the Axe-plorer (explore) 10:04, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
They do have a point as the Japanese name is Noto earthquake (2024). But I support the current sea of Japan title due to the fact that this event has a large area of fault. AlphaBetaGammsh (talk) 10:28, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I guess the Sea of Japan name makes sense with the faulting but considering its inland epicenter and likely devastating impact on the Noto peninsula, I would prefer the name "2023 Ishikawa earthquake" or because of the wider impact compared the 2023 event, the name "2023 Noto" or "2023 Noto Peninsula earthquake" would make a bit more sense. Quake1234 (talk) 12:11, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This event has officially been named the 令和６年能登半島地震, or "Reiwa 6 Noto Peninsula Earthquake" by the Japan Meteorological Agency. Given Reiwa 6 (Japanese calendar) coverts to 2024, this article should be named "2024 Noto Peninsula earthquake". This was discussed on the notes (talk) section of the Japanese version of this page.
Japan Meteorological Agency Source #1 (Japanese): https://www.jma.go.jp/jma/press/2401/01c/202401012130.html
Japan Meteorological Agency Source #2 (Japanese): https://www.jma.go.jp/jma/press/2401/01c/kaisetsu202401012130.pdf
Japan Meteorological Agency Source #1 (Auto translate to English by Google): https://www-jma-go-jp.translate.goog/jma/press/2401/01c/202401012130.html?_x_tr_sl=ja&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp Sapiann (talk) 13:24, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
the name should be changed to 2024 noto peninsula earthquake as jma named it that plus its not overseas its on the japanese soil Scrub Mommy (talk) 16:04, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Article should be renamed to 2024 Noto Peninsula earthquake in accordance with the name given by the JMA. Tofusaurus (talk) 16:39, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe shorten it to 2024 Noto earthquake? Feel like adding the peninsula part makes it too long. Plus when you type "Noto, Japan" on Google the first result is the peninsula so it could be done. Reego41 17:39, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with this decision from Reego as dropping the 'peninsula' would make the name more consistent with the names of other Japanese earthquakes, as seen in these 3 examples:
2023 Ishikawa earthquake
2022 Fukushima earthquake
2021 Chiba earthquake GarethBaloney (talk) 17:48, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe name it as 2024 Ishikawa earthquake in accordance with naming earthquake articles after their prefectures? 108.160.120.91 (talk) 18:00, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, would be much better and look more organized probably. Should be renamed to 2024 Ishikawa, or the 2023 one could be named to 2023 Noto. Reego41 19:54, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Rename "2024 Noto Peninsula earthquake" as it is more clear, and is the name officially given by JMA. Xenryjake (talk) 20:34, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Rename "2024 Noto earthquake" as it is just as clear and is in line with others such as the 2007 Noto earthquake. Xenryjake (talk) 20:41, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Rename to 2024 Noto Peninsula Earthquake designated by the Japan Meteorological Agency. The epicenter is on the peninsula, not out at sea. Per WP:Accuracy. KyuuA4 (Talk:キュウ) 20:42, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
+1. This is the appropriate title for this article. Awesome Aasim 21:15, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. Either this, or the abbreviated 2024 Noto earthquake, which is my preferred title, as per for example 2007 Noto earthquake. 108.160.120.91 (talk) 21:20, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
+1. Matches other similar articles. Good idea. I like Astatine (Talk to me) 23:12, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Rename to 2024 Noto Peninsula earthquake. It is clear the earthquakes occurred on the Noto Peninsula not in the Sea of Japan. See USGS Search Results ―― Phoenix7777 (talk) 21:25, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename to 2024 Noto Earthquake per 2007 Noto earthquake. Yeeno (talk) 00:15, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename to 2024 Noto Peninsula earthquake per above, if there isn't a clear common name makes sense to use an official one than deciding how Wikipedia should describe earthquake, plus the epicentre is on this peninsula, while "Sea of Japan" can mean the earthquake can be from the coasts of Korea and Russia, so too vague a name, unless sources commonly use it. While I understand the shortening to Noto, that article is for (also earthquake-prone) Italy city, so better to be WP:CONSISTENT with Noto Peninsula (the 2007 one may need a discussion too). Although as this is a developing situation, best wait for more details. Also open to "2024 Ishikawa earthquake" if the impact on the wider area becomes more reported and if that term also used by sources. DankJae 00:36, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename to 2024 Noto Earthquake. While I agree that damage and casualties were quite significant outside Ishikawa, the Noto Peninsula recorded the most widespread damage and all of the deaths (as of me typing this), it's like how the 2023 Badakhshan earthquake's title refers to only the epicenter area in Afghanistan, yet the impact was still serious in Pakistan and India. Quake1234 (talk) 01:04, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename to 2024 Noto earthquake. The JMA has officially called it 「令和６年能登半島地震」(2024 Noto Peninsula earthquake), but to match up with the 2007 Noto earthquake (also called 「能登半島地震」), I am for renaming to "2024 Noto earthquake". Seismologist76 (talk) 01:27, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename to 2024 Noto Earthquake, however if there are another earthquake near Noto during 2024, this article should be renamed to 2024 Noto Peninsula earthquake to avoid confusion. Kakan spelar (talk) 02:13, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename to 2024 Noto earthquake, per all above reasons. Mainly to adhere to precedent of articles for similar earthquakes. While the official JMA title includes "Peninsula," I agree with other users' arguments towards dropping it. The official Japanese name of the 2007 Noto earthquake also includes "Peninsula," but was dropped in the article name. Note all referenced articles have the word "earthquake" with a lowercase 'e'. Sapiann (talk) 02:35, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename to 2024 Noto earthquake, even the name "Sea of Japan" is controversial by itself. Also, virtually every earthquake in west Japan/east China/Korea will have aftershocks and effects like tsunamis that spread into the Sea of Japan. Broadening their geographical descriptor to all be "Sea of Japan" would leave readers with only dates (which are much less memorable) to differentiate them. Photos of Japan (talk) 02:59, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename to 2024 Noto earthquake per above. Maanshen (talk) 04:22, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

NHK source

@Filipinohere I had the source translated: It reads

"Just after 4 p.m. on the 1st, an earthquake measuring magnitude 7 occurred in the Noto region, and a major tsunami warning was temporarily issued. According to the National Police Agency, two people have suffered cardiopulmonary arrest in Nanao City, Ishikawa Prefecture. Chief Cabinet Secretary Hayashi also stated in an emergency press conference, ``We have received reports of six cases of people being buried alive due to collapsed buildings. In Wajima City, Ishikawa Prefecture, there was a report that ``a building collapsed and crushed the building next door, and two people who were there were unable to escape and were left stranded.

NHK interviewed local fire departments and hospitals and found that as of 10 p.m. on the 1st, multiple people were injured in five prefectures: Ishikawa, Niigata, Fukui, Toyama, and Gifu. There is also information that residents who were unable to escape were left stranded in collapsed houses."

Borgenland (talk) 13:45, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"cardiac arrest"

Please note that the Japanese police don't officially report deaths, so they always say "cardiac arrest" even if the cause of death is falling off a building, burned to a crisp, gunshot to the head, etc. Abductive (reasoning) 15:03, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Measurment correction

The Japan Meteorology Agency held a press conference where it said that the reading included with initial reporting on the earthquake was incorrect. JMA corrects intensity of a quake | NHK WORLD-JAPAN News ArguaBILL (talk) 15:08, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It said it was referring to an earthquake that struck at 11 pm. The real earthquake struck at 4pm. Borgenland (talk) 15:13, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I apologize for the misunderstanding/ ArguaBILL (talk) 18:30, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Long Period Ground Motion Scale

I have got details of where we saw the LPGM recorded in various parts of Japan due to the earthquake. LPGM 4, the highest level on the scale occurred in the Noto Region of Ishikawa — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hanami-Sakura (talk • contribs) 17:49, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Geothermal in Japan

Has anyone been monitoring the fractures from Japan's geothemral plants? It is a well known fact that geothermal plants induce seismicity and after decades it is possible that it weakens the underlying ground and also it is a well known fact that injection wells can cause earthquakes many miles from the injection site. Where is the map of the natural fractures of Japan and where are the geothemral plants located? 2603:800C:400:2C71:C820:13C1:E128:2C19 (talk) 23:27, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It is a place where there is a fault line and where earthquakes are frequent, though usually not of this magnitude.
This is not too far from the line of the Eurasian Plate and North American plate.
You might want to reference the 2007 Noto earthquake which occurred at almost exactly the same place and was M6.9.
Although it is worth investigating the effects of geothermal plants, it is not that likely that it was a major influence.
In general earthquakes caused by this are verry weak, at least in comparison to this M7.6.
I do recall however in 2017 in South Korea there being an earthquake of M5.4 (Richter) that might have had a geothermal plant as trigger.
Either way, even without a geothermal plant there, the earthquake was likely.
For these maps, you can likely find them on the official government websites'. A potential place might be www.gsj.jp. IDon'tFindAName (talk) 23:57, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Deaths

This article (https://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/html/20240102/k10014306831000.html) from NHK reports eight deaths in Wajima (only one death is confirmed there). I'm not gonna put it in the article because of uncertainty so I leave it to whoever finds this. Quake1234 (talk) 01:09, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'd be okay with 8 as an updated number. Also where did you see that only one is confirmed? Doesn't the article say 8 confirmed (8人死亡確認)?
Here are some places referencing the 8 deaths:
- https://www.yomiuri.co.jp/national/20240102-OYT1T50024/
- https://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/html/20240102/k10014306401000.html (more recent report)
- tw.news.yahoo.com/不斷更新-日本7-6強震-死亡人數增至8人-海嘯警報解除-011511453.html IDon'tFindAName (talk) 02:12, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'd like to propose 8+ instead of the current 16.
The current number is in reference to the following article: https://mainichi.jp/articles/20240102/k00/00m/040/120000c
It does say 16 confirmed in the title, but the numbers don't add up in what they write:
- 8 people died after being transported to the municipal Wajima Hospital.
- 3 deaths have been confirmed in Suzu City.
- 3 people have been confirmed dead in Nanao City.
- 1 person has been confirmed dead in Wajima City. (Is this one counted in the first 8 they said?)
- 1 person has been confirmed dead in Hakui City.
- 1 person has been confirmed dead in Shika Town.
Until we have a few more reports, I do not think it is right to claim 16 deaths yet, however likely this is to be exceeded.
Here are some other sources (about equally recent that claim other numbers):
- https://www.iwate-np.co.jp/article/kyodo/2024/1/2/1229426
- https://www.topics.or.jp/articles/-/1017414
- https://www.hokkoku.co.jp/articles/-/1279854
- https://www.sankei.com/article/20240102-LLZ7KVX6EFIZ5IXIJKDUTZTAZY/ IDon'tFindAName (talk) 02:21, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Duration

Anyone have a source for the duration of the earthquake? Kiwiz1338 (talk) 03:57, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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