Talk:Shepton Mallet

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Military Prison

Why would it have been transferred for US Military use in 1939 when it the USA did not enter the war until 1941?

It might be worth hiving off the Prison section as a new article, as there is rather a lot of detail in it (on those executed, particularly) for an article on the town in general. I note that a number of prisons have their own articles (List_of_United_Kingdom_prisons). Dmvward 13:04, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Great idea. Done! Shepton Mallet (HM Prison) --Cheesy Mike 14:04, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Tescos

The tescos section is currently the subject of a minor edit war. As an outsider to that dispute, I offer the view that it is too long for the subject importance - the 2nd para in particular is entirely non-encyclopaedic. I move to remove altogether, and certainly to prune to half-length. Linuxlad 22:37, 24 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Poorly written does not equate to 'non-encyclopedic'. The information provided certanly is of intrest, but could do with rewriting, and having some cites. As could the rest of the article. --Barberio 22:43, 24 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm willing to re-write that entire section, shorten it and ensure it contains facts rather than opinions. I was leery about completely re-writing the first para to remove the factual errors and inaccuracies so as to avoid arguments. I considered that a balance to the negative comments was warranted. LadyKayla 06:48, 25 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It definitely seems like a point of view paragraph "They seemed to have missed the point..." etc. Awiseman 15:56, 28 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting too, that it's very much a rerun (with the tree felling argument at its core) of the argument, again with Tesco, in Stroud in 1990. Linuxlad 20:41, 10 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Expansion and Class

I've done some general expansion and, as a result, raised the class to C.Dmvward (talk) 12:04, 2 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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What else is needed to get this article to GA?

I've been looking the guidelines at WP:UKCITIES and would be interested in what other editors think is need to get it to meet the Wikipedia:Good article criteria? Obviously we need to expand reference (or remove) the uncited claims, but is there anything else which would be required?— Rod ^talk 18:18, 14 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I live there so will do what I can! Am starting by plundering the local history section of the local library ... Dmvward (talk) 12:51, 15 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Great. Looking at WP:UKCITIES I think we may also need to:

Improve the lead to summarise the article per WP:LEAD
reference the uncited claims
move culture & landmarks above transport
add a sport or sport & leisure section
do WP:ALT for the images which don't have them
Move some of the images to prevent "pinching" text
Add page nos for book refs (not vital for GA but good practice)

I'm sure there will be others, but it would be great for you to be able to nominate this in a few weeks.— Rod ^talk 17:17, 15 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Malet

In the first part of the history section there is a link to Malet which is a disambiguation page. Presumably it should link to William Malet but could someone with access to the two books cited as references for this confirm?— Rod ^talk 19:48, 15 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Will consult the dusty tomes this evening and confirm.Dmvward (talk) 17:25, 16 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Have clarified the Malet references, and finished updating the history (though could probably add more about the 20th century, eg the redevelopment of the town centre in the 1970s. Dmvward (talk) 08:49, 17 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Bowlish

I'm wondering whether Bowlish should be merged into this article. Its not really a separate place, and indeed the town entry sign at the head of this article is on the road before Bowlish.Dmvward (talk) 17:25, 16 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Seems reasonable to me.— Rod ^talk 18:56, 16 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

As there have been no objections I have merged in Bowlish.— Rod ^talk 15:35, 9 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

perception of decline

There is a sentence in the lead which says "There is a local perception that the Shepton Mallet is in economic decline, although the District Council argues that this is not borne out by the figures.^[1]" The reference is to a general front page of a web site rather than any specific figures & we don't seem to have any evidence for a perception of decline. Should this sentence be removed?— Rod ^talk 20:17, 16 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Have fixed the broken link to the consultation paper, and reference the relevant pages. Dmvward (talk) 08:48, 17 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ "Time to Plan Consultation Paper: Mendip Sustainable Community Strategy". Mendip District Council. 2008. Retrieved 2008-12-30. {{cite web}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |1= (help)

Davis chap 4 page nos

Some of the references to the Davis book are given as chapter 4 - can we have the page numbers as well?— Rod ^talk 14:59, 17 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Will look into this this evening. Dmvward (talk) 17:00, 17 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Done Dmvward (talk) 12:18, 18 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Also ref 78 is to "A Portrait of Shepton Mallet" but we have no author or other publication details.— Rod ^talk 15:12, 17 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

~~This reference cross-refers back to ref 3 where full details are given. Dmvward (talk) 17:00, 17 February 2010 (UTC)~~[reply]
Oh, I see you've expanded all the short-version references. I didn't put them all in in full becuase I thought it would clutter things up, but if that's what the MOS requires, so be it. Thanks for sorting. Dmvward (talk) 17:07, 17 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

There are other referencing systems which are acceptable under MOS (eg Template:Harvard citation no brackets where there are lots of different pages nos to a particular book - see current work at River Parrett) but I find them more complex.— Rod ^talk 17:17, 17 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Unitarian

There is a link in the article to Unitarian which is a dab page - which of the options is the correct one for the chapel?— Rod ^talk 20:42, 17 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Done Dmvward (talk) 12:18, 18 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

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Reviewer: Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:46, 20 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'll start a readthrough now and post queries below. Feel free to revert any changes to meaning I inadvertently make - Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:46, 20 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

~~The lead is a bit choppy and jumps around a bit. It should be coalesced into 2-3 longer paras (easier on the eyes). I might try this after reading through.~~

Lead consolidated into three paras. Dmvward (talk) 13:20, 25 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

...~~with substantial amounts of Neolithic flint being found, as well as some pottery from the later Neolithic period.~~ ~~- this reads oddly. Should it be an early and then later neolithic? Do the sources specify sub-ages within the neolithic?~~

This is almost a direct quote from the source material (Gathercole, page 5) which says "Neolithic settlement: Substantial amounts of neolithic flint, and a few pieces of late neolithic pottery, have been recovered from excavations in the Roman settlement area and at Cannard’s Grave." So doesn't really help to clarify, I'm afraid. Dmvward (talk) 11:48, 20 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Bother, still late neolithic makes more sense than later....Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:02, 20 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I've changed this to late noelithic.— Rod ^talk 14:55, 22 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

~~Need a word or two explaining Bowlish - suburb/hamlet on north/east/whatever side of town (?)~~

I've added a sentence.— Rod ^talk 14:55, 22 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

An explanation of population growth between 1951 and 2001 would be nice, in last para of 18th to 20th centuries

Unable to find a simple explanation at the moment, but will keep an eye out. Dmvward (talk) 13:20, 25 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, nevermind then. Casliber (talk · contribs) 19:56, 25 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Is it fair to say it is generally tory-leaning?

Difficult to say that definitively. The election of a conservative MP will have been substantially due to [[Wells] being in the same constituency. Dmvward (talk) 13:20, 25 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, nevermind then. Casliber (talk · contribs) 19:56, 25 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Within Shepton Mallet there are several distinct areas - any other descriptors or adjectives or notes that describe any individual character of these places would be a bonus.

Have added a new sub-section describing the various parts of the town. Let me know if you think I've over-done it! Dmvward (talk) 14:05, 23 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Nice. I like it. well done. Casliber (talk · contribs) 19:50, 23 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

~~In the Geography section - is there any wilderness nearby (or is it all farms)?~~

I've added the Sites of Special Scientific Interest.— Rod ^talk 15:09, 22 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

And I've added some additional info on local countryside, and the river, and rearranged a little. Dmvward (talk) 14:05, 23 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Again - nice. I like it. well done. Casliber (talk · contribs) 19:50, 23 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Shepton Mallet is home to three international drinks producers. - sounds odd - beverage producers?

Changed to "international alcoholic drinks producers". Dmvward (talk) 13:20, 25 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Shepton Mallet is home to three international drinks producers. - needs a cite I think. In fact, the para that it is in needs a rewrite. I will have a read of ref 72 anon. (slow to load at the moment and I have to run again in a moment...)

References added. Dmvward (talk) 13:20, 25 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

~~Walter Buckland~~ ~~- a one or two-word adjective or occupation here ("merchant"? "nobleman"?)~~

I've checked the Bush reference given & no further information is given, but there are online references to a plaque to him & his wife Agnes on the market cross.— Rod ^talk 15:32, 22 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

None of the four local history books I am using says what his occupation or civic standing was, I'm afraid. Dmvward (talk) 14:05, 23 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Never mind then. You tried :) Casliber (talk · contribs) 19:41, 23 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

~~In the Culture section - is there a local radio station?~~

~~Overall, nearly there~~. My interest was piqued as my genealogical research led me here....Casliber (talk · contribs) 01:31, 21 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the comments - I will work through them (and hopefully add in some more stuff I've come across) in the next couple of days. But I can answer the last question straight away - no local radio station (if you mean one for Shepton specifically). Dmvward (talk) 12:30, 22 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, that's what I meant. cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:49, 22 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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.....aaaaaaaaaaaannd that's a wrap folks :) Casliber (talk · contribs) 19:56, 25 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your helpful and fair review & especially to Dmvward for the majority of the edits - together you have definitely improved the article.— Rod ^talk 20:23, 25 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Showground

Is it worth adding a new page specifically about the showground? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.183.128.4 (talk) 21:17, 10 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

twin towns misburg and bollnäs

maybe worth mentioning: misburg (now a suburb of hanover, germany) has road names that reflect the "town twinning triangle": Shepton-Mallet-Ring and Bollnäser Str. (Bollnäs twinned with Shepton Mallet and Misburg too)

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misburg-Anderten#Weitere_Entwicklung

https://maps.google.de/maps?q=Shepton-Mallet-Ring,+Hannover&hl=de&ll=52.400036,9.826509&spn=0.003083,0.005761&sll=52.379666,9.761471&sspn=0.197417,0.368729&oq=shep&t=h&hnear=Shepton-Mallet-Ring,+30655+Hannover&z=17 and just south of it https://maps.google.de/maps?q=Bolln%C3%A4ser+Stra%C3%9Fe,+Hannover&hl=de&ie=UTF8&sll=51.190313,-2.561322&sspn=0.006334,0.011523&oq=Bolln&t=h&hnear=Bolln%C3%A4ser+Stra%C3%9Fe,+30629+Hannover&z=15

there are also "Bollnas Close" and "Misburg Close" in Shepton Mallet https://maps.google.de/maps?q=Bollnas+Close,+Shepton+Mallet,+Vereinigtes+K%C3%B6nigreich&hl=de&ie=UTF8&ll=51.181677,-2.539666&spn=0.001584,0.002881&sll=61.345632,16.375079&sspn=0.004846,0.011523&oq=Bolln%C3%A4s+shep&t=h&hnear=Bollnas+Close,+Shepton+Mallet+BA4+4EX,+Vereinigtes+K%C3%B6nigreich&z=18

https://maps.google.de/maps?q=Misburg+Close,+Shepton+Mallet,+Vereinigtes+K%C3%B6nigreich&hl=de&ie=UTF8&sll=51.181677,-2.539666&sspn=0.001584,0.002881&oq=shepton+mallet+mis&t=h&hnear=Misburg+Close,+Shepton+Mallet+BA4+5GB,+Vereinigtes+K%C3%B6nigreich&z=16 92.196.32.163 (talk) 13:58, 10 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Shepton Mallet Police Station

Maybe it would be worth adding a section about police services in Shepton Mallet including a photo of the new police station? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rob4533 (talk • contribs) 23:59, 16 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

2010 High Street revival attempt.

There was a project in 2010 where some shops on the high street were remodeled several times over the course of some weeks and occupied by current shopkeepers and their families who lived and operated the shops in period correct fashion for a week each in the 1870's, 1900's, 1930's, WW2, 1960's, and 1970's. The project drew considerable local interest and patronage of the shops, and presumably others that were already there. The video series has been posted on YouTube by Absolute History. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DF4jq_CjQIQ&list=PLjgZr0v9DXyKz4WcJ1C1xbEKTjdLDBLZO Bizzybody (talk) 05:47, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Apparent anachronism? (subsection Middle Ages)

Can someone check out the historical accuracy of this sentence:

In the late 14th and early 15th centuries, the population and economy were boosted by craftsmen and merchants arriving from France and the Low Countries, who were escaping wars and religious persecution.

Understanding the 14th century to be the 1300s and the early 15th century to be roughly cover the years 1400-1450, I doubt religious persecution played a part in immigration into England at that time. It was rather, I would have thought, the 16th century (1500-1600) England saw immigration from the Huguenot French and Walloons in the wake of the Reformation in France and the Spanish Netherlands.Cloptonson (talk) 09:02, 12 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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