Talk:Layla

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May 22, 2005	Peer review	Reviewed
July 15, 2005	Featured article candidate	Promoted
November 12, 2006	Featured article review	Kept
February 9, 2013	Featured article review	Demoted
A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on March 19, 2004. The text of the entry was: Did you know ...that "Layla", a song of Eric Clapton, was inspired by a Persian love story?
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There are some concerns, including BLP concerns. Information is unreferenced, and I'm not sure if some are true anymore. I wonder if I'm wrong. --George Ho (talk) 03:30, 10 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I don't have any specific answers here. The only thing I recall about the situation is the section regarding Pattie Boyd's sister, which is included in Pattie_Boyd#Eric_Clapton (I assume the sourcing is solid, I haven't verified it). I should think that the section here about Pattie would be reasonably easy to source and would also like to add the section about Paula here. For whatever reason, this whole chapter is largely absent from Eric Clapton. As time and enthusiasm allow, I'll see what I can find. - SummerPhD (talk) 04:41, 3 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Well, that wasn't very difficult. The story seems to be confirmed by Boyd here. I don't feel like getting into it right now. If anyone else does, have at it. Otherwise, I suppose I'll tackle it eventually. - SummerPhD (talk) 04:46, 3 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Key

The article originally (and again) stated that the chorus was in D minor and the verses in C# major. It really should be B minor and A major. Checked it playing along on my guitar with the studio version

Dm is correct

Wikipedia is not about what we hear; it is about sources. Dm and C#m (not major as you stated) are correct according to the source cited. I checked guitar tab and chord sites. As these are people writing down what they hear, they are not definitive sources. A few sites show it in Am for the chorus (none show it as Bm) but the majority show it as Dm. A couple of instructional videos demonstrate it in Dm and the key matches what I hear on the original record (and other versions Clapton has recorded).

I don't know how you are hearing it played in a different key, but you're not correct. If you can find a source--like something from Clapton's publisher, not just what someone else hears--that would be more definitive, but I don't think it's out there.

Personally, I think the verses are played in E major (equivalent to C#minor, of course) because the verse resolves on E, but this is a minor point. Bob Caldwell CSL (talk) 16:07, 23 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I beg to differ

I found - playing along on the guitar - that the version by which the song is known (you know, the one that has 12 million hits on YouTube) has its chorus in Eb minor and its verses in F major (D minor). The piano coda is in C# major. Double checked all the intervals. My guitar was tuned using an Android app, putting the A at exactly 440 hertz standard pitch.

HOWEVER, for the acoustic version, Clapton shifted everything one half step down - so D minor for the chorus and E major (C# minor) for the verses. He probably did this so he could use an open A and D string in the chorus riff (on acoustic guitars open strings sound better).

I agree with Bob there should be a source quote, since this is Wikipedia. But in this case Wikipedia users themselves (we) can be quoted. It's like editing Wikipedia articles on the content of a book; following the rules you should do it by citing sources that discuss its content (and not your own opinion), but what if a certain source quotes a phrase from the book, and when you go read the phrase in the book for yourself, it turns out to be different. I purport that at such moment, you are at liberty to quote yourself as source (as it is no longer a matter of your opinion. Others can verify what you are stating). Same situation here. Other people can verify what I'm stating above. The only requirement is that they have to be musically literate (like they would have to be merely literate to be able to verify my quote on the book).

So please, go to that 12 million hits studio version (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WUdlaLWSVM) and the 8 million hits acoustic version (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_L-0Ryhmic) on YouTube and verify/reject my statement ...

Tavernsenses (talk) 06:50, 16 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I have to disagree. Per WP:PSTS, "Any interpretation of primary source material requires a reliable secondary source for that interpretation. A primary source may only be used on Wikipedia to make straightforward, descriptive statements of facts that can be verified by any educated person with access to the primary source but without further, specialized knowledge." I feel I am "educated". However, I do n0ot have much specialized knowledge about music. I do not feel that the key falls into the category of things I can verify from the primary source (the song). From the comments above, it seems that even some specialized knowledge doesn't lead to a definitive answer here. - SummerPhD (talk) 14:07, 16 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

According to the article (no source given for this, however) the tape was sped up during mixing resulting--for the piano coda--in a spot between C and C#. When comparing the D&D version to the live version on Eric Clapton's Rainbow Concert, the D&D version does seem to be pitched slightly higher than the Rainbow Concert version. Perhaps this is do to the tape being sped up a bit. I don't think it's all the way up to Ebm, but is probably in the cracks. The Rainbow Concert version is definitely in Dm and I suspect that was the key for the original recording before mixing and possibly being sped up. Regardless, I think that since Dm/C#m (or E) are in the majority of sources, we should probably stick with that.Bob Caldwell CSL (talk) 18:09, 16 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Mention of Rita Coolidge autobiography at the end of the first paragraph

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"sic" in quotation

Hello, was "[sic]" in the text of Clapton? If not, why is it here? Has the quotation been corrected? --Richardson mcphillips (talk) 11:38, 21 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Layla coda

The story of the coda quote by Bobby Whitlock is totally incorrect and fabricated.

it.

music. 66.102.228.14 (talk) 18:34, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rita Coolidge confirmed it in her autobiography. Graham Nash (her onetime boyfirend) tells the same story. It's pretty well attested.Bob Caldwell CSL (talk) 14:27, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]