Talk:Arthur Wellesley, 1st Duke of Wellington

Copy editing comments

I was asked to clean up the citations a bit. I didn't do the nicknames section. Except when I've had to find a source, I've done very little cite-source integrity checking, I just reformatted the existing information, and looked up a few minimal sources.

I found a bit of an issue with his funeral, and removed some text pending a better citation: At his funeral, there was little space to stand due to the number of attendees, and the praise given him in Tennyson's "Ode on the Death of the Duke of Wellington" attests to his reputation at the time of his death. He was buried in a sarcophagus of luxulyanite in St Paul's Cathedral, next to Lord Nelson but left it here if it can be put back in. I removed it because the citations given, Sinclair and Holmes do not support the text. Neither mentions the sarcophagus of luxulyanite. Sinclair just mentions the monument, which is away from the tomb, saying a point made by the Victoria and Albert Website. I've deleted the Sinclair for now, and expanded the page number for Holmes to keep what is left: the burial in St. Pauls and the crowds. Also, the point about being buried next to Nelson is not in Holmes. Holmes merely states that he was buried "with Nelson" (e.g., at St. Paul's). The tombs are adjacent in the crypt so I'm sure an actual source could be found. I think all of the above could be restored if an appropriate WP:RS source could be found. Wtfiv (talk) 03:47, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

I also deleted a couple of points where the source was incorrect (e.g., using a cite showing a 1850s poster to make the claim about Wellington's bed still being on exhibition, and a citation referencing an archivist. Though I did do a search through the archives themselves. Again, maybe a dedicated editor can find a reliable source and add the points back in.) Wtfiv (talk) 07:47, 27 August 2022 (UTC)

Main image in the infobox

An IP keeps trying to change the image in the infobox without consensus. In my opinion, the portrait by Thomas Lawrence labelled "File:Sir Arthur Wellesley, 1st Duke of Wellington.png" is the most suitable because it gives a close up perspective. Views welcome. Dormskirk (talk) 17:01, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

Yes, the Lawrence portrait is (in my opinion) best suited for the infobox. Coridally, Tim O'Doherty (talk) 18:38, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

Agreed, Lawrence portrait is most suitable. Chariotsacha (talk) 21:08, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

Agreed. Lead/Infobox images should let us see what the subject looks like. The Lawrence portrait does that, the replacement image doesn't. (Hohum ^@) 22:24, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: rejected by reviewer, closed by BorgQueen (talk) 15:46, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

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• ... that Duke Wellington was the British officer to confirm the death of Tipu Sultan in the Battle of Seringapatam (1799)? Source: "After hearing news of the death of the Tipu Sultan, Wellesley was the first at the scene to confirm his death, checking his pulse."[58] - Holmes (2002), p. 60.
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Created by WikiSabih (talk). Self-nominated at 00:40, 31 August 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Arthur Wellesley, 1st Duke of Wellington; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

• welcome to dyk, WikiSabih! i am not sure if you are already aware, but this project focuses on showcasing new articles and recently improved articles, as explained at wp:dyk. the guidelines at wp:dyknew explain that a nominated article should have been, within the last seven days, either created in article space, expanded at least fivefold, or promoted to good article status.
  unfortunately, this article does not appear to currently be eligible for an appearance at dyk, as it was first created in 2001, and the only edit to the article in the last week is a modification to the configuration of a navigation template. i do not believe it is feasible to expand the article fivefold, considering the current length of the article, though if you think you can successfully nominate it for good article status, that may be a way to feature this article at dyk in the future.
  apologies for being the bearer of bad news. if you have any questions about the dyk process, please let me know. dying (talk) 02:21, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

Nationality

His nationality should be Anglo-Irish which is the accepted term for people of English descent born in Ireland around this time. See for example Lord Castlereagh who was also born in Dublin in the same year with a similar background. 176.61.123.52 (talk) 23:48, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Anglo-Irish is an ethnic group, not a nationality. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 19:30, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Well that's not exclusively true, it may be of groups like Irish Travellers however many people would have their nationality as Ulster Scots and Irish such as James Orr and Anglo-Irish like Dean Swift. 78.16.137.92 (talk) 20:12, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

That's also like saying the Cornish or the Kurds or the Silesians are an ethnic group not a Nationality even though many people would exclusively proudly identify as any of the above. 78.16.137.92 (talk) 20:14, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Most of Wellington's "English" ancestors had been in Ireland since the 12th Century -names like Fitzgerald, Cusack, Plunkitt are all over his family tree. On his mother's side he has lines that trace deep into Ireland's ancient past, including an O'Brien lineage that goes right to Brian Boru. If Wellington were a Catholic, we wouldn't be having this discussion -the lead would say "Irish".

If the majority of reliable sources use the ridiculous and anachronistic term "Anglo-Irish" -then by all means cite them and change the description which currently reads "British." But beware that no one living at that time, in or out of Ireland, would've had any idea what this term means. There is good evidence that Wellington was understood as an Irishman by the British press[1], and a similar case could be made for Edmund Burke. Social and ethnic identities are far more complex than where someone was born, where they died and who their ancestors were, especially for Irishmen like Wellington in the 18th/19th Century. Jonathan f1 (talk) 05:51, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

His nationality was undoubtly British to a degree (legally speaking) as he was a British PM and battle commander. My own ancestors referred to themselves as both British -and- Irish, being of mixed descent, and Protestant. Ironically I am Catholic. How did Wellington view himself? Perhaps this could give us a clue: [2] (an article original posted here by User:Fergananim --SinoDevonian (talk) 23:48, 19 March 2024 (UTC)