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The result was delete‎. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:51, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Penistone FM (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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In the process of updating this article about a radio station to reflect recent changes to its broadcasting frequencies, I noticed its references were somewhat thin, so went looking and found that there was very little SIGCOV out there to sustain it under WP:GNG. All I can find are a single article about it receiving grant funding in 2021 [1] and a few passing mentions in articles about other things [2] [3]. I'm just not sure there's enough weight here in terms of references to back up notability, particularly given that the radio station has been broadcasting since 2009 so at some point in that time should have done something coverage-worthy, if it was notable in any way. Flip Format (talk) 12:20, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus‎. Star Mississippi 14:49, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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This article about a digital radio multiplex has been tagged for notability since 2012 and I'm unable to find much in the way of SIGCOV to assert notability - just articles about stations opening and closing on the multiplex signal, which are primarily about the stations and not the multiplex. There is !precedent for redirecting these articles to the article for their parent company [4]. Most of this article consists of unsourced WP:OR about stations being added, deleted and moved around on various digital radio multiplexes. Flip Format (talk) 13:23, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge‎ to Hits Radio South Yorkshire. plicit 00:08, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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There's nothing to suggest that this radio morning show is notable over and above the station on which it appears. Anything that can be sourced can be merged to the article on Hallam FM, but I can't find anything out there that is independent SIGCOV for this show itself. Flip Format (talk) 21:34, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: A show which has on air for 24 years, and has won many industry awards, is clearly notable. Rillington (talk) 00:44, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I think you need to go back and look at WP:GNG and read how Wikipedia defines "notability". Several of your comments are along these lines - it's a broadcasting radio station, so it's notable; it's been on the air for years, so it's notable. These assertions don't tie in with the actual guideline, which is that the subject has to have had "significant coverage" in "reliable sources" that are "independent of the subject". Before nominating, I look for this in various sources, and if I've nominated something, it's because I've been unable to find it during my own research. In other cases, I find coverage and add it to flesh out an article that's otherwise unsourced. If others (including you) can find WP:SIGCOV for the subject of an article I've nominated, then that's great, but just asserting "it's notable" carries little weight. I haven't found anything for Big John @ Breakfast other than brief mentions in local papers and the radio trade press, nothing that would assert notability. It appears to be a WP:MILL radio morning show like many others around the world that don't have their own articles. Flip Format (talk) 11:16, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I think we will always clash over Afd as I continue to hold the view that you seem to want articles deleted far too readily, although I note that you seem to have somewhat reigned in this instinct, which is good. As you know, I am against AfD as a matter of course, not least as people have made an effort to produce, and update these articles, and to want them deleted is a bit like throwing all their efforts back at them by using a very narrow, even draconian, interpretation of rules to justify having their efforts deleted. My view is to be positive about articles and it is very rare that I would ever advocate for anyone's efforts to be deleted, and this article does have sufficient independent references to further justify its inclusion. Rillington (talk) 15:39, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Merge and redirect to Hits Radio South Yorkshire where the show is mentioned. Sources don't provide the significant coverage required to pass the GNG. Regarding awards, there needs to be reporting independent of the award giver and radio station. As the programme is ongoing there's still a chance of it becoming notable, so a redirect to the radio station is preferable to outright deletion. Rupples (talk) 22:39, 24 April 2024 (UTC) To elaborate, the listing of award recipients is OK but doesn't tell us why the programme received the award. If reviews of and discussions about the show/awards are sourced, it would help demonstrate notability. Rupples (talk) 22:58, 24 April 2024 (UTC). The limited content looks reliably sourced so can be merged rather than just redirected. Changing my view to merge and redirect on reflection. Rupples (talk) 20:28, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge and redirect to Hits Radio South Yorkshire, not independantly notable. Desertarun (talk) 17:42, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect‎ to List of radio stations in U.S. territories#Guam. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:07, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Very little content. Zero secondary sources. Fails WP:GNG. AusLondonder (talk) 11:40, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. plicit 14:42, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Enda Caldwell (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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While the WP:SURMOUNTABLE issues noted in the first AfD are addressed (incl. the self-penned stuff about "his passion for cars and the motor industry", "[being] instrumental in establishing Navan's Energy Radio [..] from a garden shed" and "his love of drama"), there is still nothing to indicate that the applicable notability criteria are met. In terms of:

  • WP:CREATIVE (applying to creative professionals) there are no sources to suggest that the subject is "regarded as an important figure or is widely cited by peers or successor".
  • WP:ENT (applying to voice actors) the subject doesn't appear to have had "significant roles in multiple notable films [..] or other productions".
  • WP:SIGCOV/WP:GNG, the only sources we have (and the only sources found after several years of trying to address COI/AUTOBIO/PROMO/NOTCV concerns) are either not independent (like pulseny.com, radioluxembourg.co.uk, allaccess.com, which are all webpages/press releases from the subject's employers) or not significant (like radiowaves.fm, manchestereveningnews.co.uk, Independent Woman, worcesternews.co.uk, Business Post, in which the subject is BARELY mentioned in passing). The ONLY two pieces which deal with the subject in any depth, and which are not news releases by the subject's employers, are the two low-ball interview pieces. On benztown.com and Meath Chronicle. One a small local paper and the other a speciality industry outlet. Both the type interviews, per WP:INTERVIEW#Notability, which are "broadly unhelpful in establishing notability".

I am, TBH, annoyed at myself for staying on the fence in the second AfD. And remain baffled by the "keep" recommendations in the first AfD (indicating that two of the five refs somehow and unequivocally supported GNG; When they're the same refs we have today; Still clearly not independent and/or passing mentions.) Anyway, while I'm loathe to relitigate, as the last AfD was "no consensus", and as (despite significant effort) I can't justify removing the hatnotes, I'm left with AfD (again).

TLDR version. Subject is a jobbing radio presenter. Like any other. Who also works as a voice artist. Doing station idents and the like. And was once an extra in a film. With insufficient coverage to expand the article beyond a NOTCV "list of jobs" the subject's had. And no independent biographical coverage contributing to notability. The WP:COI and WP:NOTPROMO issues (clear in the article's initial creation) also remain difficult to overlook. Guliolopez (talk) 15:00, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz Read! Talk! 00:00, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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No secondary sources, fails WP:GNG. AusLondonder (talk) 19:43, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. plicit 03:51, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Doug Storer (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Biography of a writer and radio producer, not properly referenced as passing inclusion criteria for writers or radio producers. The only claim of notability being attempted here is that he existed, which isn't automatically enough in the absence of WP:GNG-worthy coverage about his work in sources independent of himself -- but the only "reference" cited here is an archival fond of his own personal papers, which is not independent of himself, and the article has existed in this state since 2008 without ever having even one other source added to it.
Nothing here is "inherently" notable enough to exempt the article from having to say more than just "he existed", or having to cite more sourcing than this. Bearcat (talk) 18:03, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. plicit 14:07, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dick Ballantine (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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No refs on the page for many years. Nothing found to offer for the consideration of notability per the inclusion criteria JMWt (talk) 13:42, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete per nom. I cannot really find any coverage.
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The result was delete‎. plicit 13:17, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Article unreferenced since 2009 and tagged as such since 2010. No good hits on GSearch, GNews and GNews Archives. Found several false positive as Talakayan ng Bayan means "People's Dialogue" and is used by several entities aside from DWBL. --Lenticel (talk) 05:27, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure)Geschichte (talk) 09:42, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

KBGN (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Lacking secondary sources to meet WP:GNG. Current sources are the FCC, radio-locator.com, and Broadcasting Yearbook. These do not demonstrate "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject" (Sources should be secondary sources, as those provide the most objective evidence of notability) AusLondonder (talk) 19:21, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I really wish we could have an AfD in this topic area without aspersions being cast on editors. Some of your edit summaries in response to my notifications have just been abusive. Unfortunately none of the sources you added, such as a listing at the Idaho State Broadcasters Association, seem to demonstrate notability per WP:GNG. AusLondonder (talk) 05:34, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
FYI Scott Fybush is pretty well known in the radio world. He writes a column called northeast radio watch, among other things. He's a journalist. He has toured hundreds of tower sites across the country, visiting studios and gathering historical information on these stations. To say he's un-notable, or a poor source, is a slap in the face. The editor at the bottom of this discussion below me, Sammi Brie, brings up an excellent point. I feel like due diligence isn't given to these articles, and instead its a knee-jerk decision to post an afd. I second her post about WP:BEFORE. If you want to talk about "abusive", maybe start with your nomination process for these articles. You give them no chance for improvement, you just click AfD and move onto the next one. As someone who has edited this site since mid-2000s, this isn't the first time someone had a mission to delete articles in relation to WP:WPRS. Instead of the knee-jerk, how about being constructive seeing where the articles can be improved and letting editors know that way? Accord to WP:BEFORE, that's what you're supposed to do. You too can add sources to articles if you find them. If I had the power to post AfD templates, I wouldn't abuse it per that policy. I'm glad I found that WP:BEFORE exists, because it should give articles like these a chance to survive. And no, I know you're probably not doing it in bad faith, but you're definitely not doing it right per WP:BEFORE. I'd gladly add sources if that's necessary, and I'll continue to do so. All you have to do is tell me. An AfD should be the last resort. If you can't find any third party sources for the station, fine. I don't own these articles, I just want them to be improved. As far as abusive edit summaries, you link directly to my talk page, somewhere I'm free to express my opinions and concern that these articles are just put on the chopping block withoutdue process. I also don't like clutter on my talk page, and move it frequently to archives. I poured many hours into editing this site over the past two decades, and it's just amazing it can all be taken away because of one person's opinion of what qualifies for notability. And yes, I get that things have changed since 2008, but the Idaho Statesman references (thank you Sammi) should put the nail in the coffin for this one. That's as third-party as you can get. The same with Scott Fybush's posts. One would think a journalist is a reliable third party source, but here we are. -Edit splice- added two more sources that are pretty notable. ḾỊḼʘɴίcảTalkI DX for fun! 04:39, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I believe you are mistaken on what a source is and how it connects to notability. The Idaho State Broadcasters Association is a secondary source, as is Broadcasting Yearbook (a periodical of it's time) and Scott Fybush's website, who is known and trusted within the industry for his news coverage (and he is a radio journalist by trade), is highly reliable. These are all reliable sources and demonstrate notability.
Oh and let's forego the hand-wringing and pearl-clutching, along with calling people "abusive", when someone disagrees with you. It's getting old and verging into NPA territory. - NeutralhomerTalk19:05, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
So it's a personal attack to call out abusive edit summaries but it's not a personal attack to write abusive edit summaries? You know full well its got nothing to do with legitimate disagreement. I can see why you've been subject to such significant restrictions given your behaviour here and at other AfDs. AusLondonder (talk) 19:56, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: Per work done by Milonica. - NeutralhomerTalk19:16, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment on sourcing A directory listing on the website of the Idaho State Broadcasters Association is clearly a primary source. It's also obviously not independent of the subject. The Scott Fybush source is a very poor source for demonstrating notability. It is about his trip looking at radio towers and specifically "The AM Towers of Boise, Idaho" - KBGN is only mentioned very briefly and only in the context of its transmission tower. Nothing to do with discussion of the station or its history, operations or broadcasts. The radio yearbook is again a very simple directory listing. That's the exact opposite of what significant coverage is. AusLondonder (talk) 20:06, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect to List of radio stations in Idaho: I say this with at least some degree of reluctance, but the GNG requires significant coverage, not brief mentions, directories, or non-independent sourcing. I wouldn't be surprised if GNG-appropriate sourcing is lurking out there somewhere, but our inclusion standards are far stricter now than they were in 2008, and retaining anything more than an {{R to list entry}} without the needed SIGCOV is, if anything, only becoming less-policy-based over time. WCQuidditch 20:28, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Of course if GNG-level sourcing is located then I'm more than happy to withdraw the nomination or see the article re-created. AusLondonder (talk) 20:56, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Seriously—did someone even bother doing WP:BEFORE where they should have done it, like The Idaho Statesman? I found four refs easily. Sammi Brie (she/her • tc) 01:52, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    One of them is quite good, but I would say the ones about the radio tower are not significant coverage of the station, especially this. Whether one decent article in a newspaper in the 1970s and nothing substantial since is sufficient for meeting WP:GNG I'm not sure as GNG says "There is no fixed number of sources required since sources vary in quality and depth of coverage, but multiple sources are generally expected" AusLondonder (talk) 02:07, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That short one is at least noteworthy for dating purposes, but I would say the others are SIGCOV; we have a feature article on the station, an article entirely on the new station starting broadcasting, and an article about the radio station's transmitter causing site issues with the new airport. Sammi Brie (she/her • tc) 03:14, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep - I think the general consensus is that the article has been improved enough. I don't know how more reliable a source the Idaho Statesman is. That one should end this tirade. There are several third-party sources in this article now that prove that the station exists, and it has a history. This includes the United States Senate for pete sake. I'm not sure why there is a hang up on this one. Scott Fybush is a reliable source. He has been in radio for decades, and publishes a weekly column, on top of touring tower sites and gathering history. He's a journalist. There are several third-party sources in this article, including big ones that offer significant coverage. This should have been resolved by now. ḾỊḼʘɴίcảTalkI DX for fun! 03:05, 10 April 2024 (UTC) (I'm striking your duplicate vote but your comment remains. Liz Read! Talk! 06:49, 14 April 2024 (UTC)) [reply]
  • Keep: I am not someone who is generally in favour of keeping unsourced radio ephemera around on Wikipedia, but there is clearly enough sourcing in this article to prove notability - principally articles specifically about the station in multiple newspapers. Sammi Brie is a subject matter expert and has found good sources here, this article should be kept. Flip Format (talk) 15:04, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep The article provides clear and plentiful references, which support its claims about notability. There's no reason to delete it.Gedaali (talk) 08:31, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: First of up, per WP:BEFORE, and second per everyone else (Sammi, Flip Format, Milonica, NeutralHomer, and others).
○ Auslonderder, before putting an AfD to stations note that there was work involved and check the sources. They are reliable sources; also a little note, the Broadcasting Yearnook and Scott Fybush's website is notable. So yea, check WP:BEFORE. mer764KCTV5 / Cospaw (He/Him | TalkContributions) 09:15, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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