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SMS Friedrich Carl was an armored cruiser of the Imperial German Navy. A member of the Prinz Adalbert class, the ship was intended to act as a scout for the fleet's battleships and to patrol the German colonial empire. The Prinz Adalbert class was based on the earlier armored cruiser Prinz Heinrich, but with improved armament and armor. Built in the early 1900s, Friedrich Carl served in the German fleet from 1904 to 1909, which included a period as flagship of the reconnaissance squadron and a cruise to the Mediterranean Sea. The ship was then used as a torpedo test vessel from 1909 until the start of World War I in July 1914. Friedrich Carl was assigned to the Cruiser Division of the Baltic Sea, serving as its flagship. On 17 November 1914, the ship struck a Russian naval mine off Memel and sank, though only seven or eight men were killed in the sinking. (This article is part of a featured topic: Armored cruisers of Germany.)

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The European bison (Bison bonasus), also known as the wisent, is a mammal in the family Bovidae, one of two extant species of bison. Having been hunted to extinction in the wild by the early 20th centry, the European bison was reintroduced to the wild in various European countries by the 2010s, following captive breeding programmes. It is the heaviest wild land animal in Europe, and individuals in the past may have been even larger than their modern-day descendants. The largest bulls of the species have a mass of up to 1,000 kilograms (2,200 lb). The European bison is a herd animal, which lives in both mixed and solely male groups. Mixed groups consist of adult females, calves, young aged two to three years, and young adult bulls. A typical herd numbers around eight to thirteen animals on average. This male European bison was photographed in the Białowieża Forest, Poland.

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Minor edit: Velvet Revolution starts in Czechoslovakia, when a student demonstration in Prague is beaten back by riot police.

Dalai Lama

A possible candidate:

1950 - Tenzin Gyatso, the 14th Dalai Lama, was enthroned as Tibet's head of state at the age of fifteen.

-- PFHLai 19:05, 16 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

2012 notes

Omitted: John Balliol; Suez Canal; 14th Dalai Lama; Lunokhod 1 (ineligible—maintenance); Climatic Research Unit email controversy
Included: Elizabeth I of England (8th appearance, last in 2010); Battle of the Bridge of Arcole (3rd appearance, last in 2010; rescued from Ineligible); Victoria Falls (5th appearance, last in 2010); Japan–Korea Treaty of 1905 (2nd appearance, last in 2010); Heidi Game (first appearance)

—howcheng {chat} 06:46, 16 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Inclusion of the Heidi Game, which is so utterly irrelevant, is so senseless that it simply infuriates me. Please, use something else! Its a single game of sports that was oddly televised - how is that of historical importance?! So if you'd please remove it. --

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Please replace * 1968 – NBC controversially cut away from the American football game between the Oakland Raiders and New York Jets to broadcast Heidi, causing viewers in the Eastern United States to miss the game's dramatic ending.

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1950 – Lhamo Dondrub, age 15, was formally enthroned as the 14th Dalai Lama, the temporal ruler of Tibet.

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The Dalai Lama has been listed for six years in a row, so he's taking a break this year. We like to feature articles of varying topics, including sports, and Heidi Game is an FA, which does give it a little extra clout. —howcheng {chat} 23:56, 17 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

2013 notes

New articles (unused): Oberto (opera)
Rescued from Ineligible (unused): Luxor massacre
Omitted: Elizabeth I of England; Battle of the Bridge of Arcole; Victoria Falls; Japan–Korea Treaty of 1905; Heidi Game (ineligible—TFA for 2013)
Included: Sultanate of Sulu (first appearance); Suez Canal (10th appearance, last in 2011); Mouse (computing) (first appearance); Sani Abacha (first appearance); Il Canto degli Italiani (2nd appearance, last in 2008; rescued from Ineligible)

—howcheng {chat} 08:14, 16 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Addendum: Il Canto degli Italiani moved to November 23 and replaced by Luxor massacre (4th appearance, last in 2009; rescued from Ineligible). —howcheng {chat} 19:36, 17 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

2014 notes

Rescued from Ineligible (unused): Heidi Game
Omitted: Sultanate of Sulu; Suez Canal; Mouse (computing) (ineligible—maintenance); Luxor massacre
Included: John Balliol (2nd appearance, last in 2011); Oberto (opera) (first appearance; 175th anniversary); 14th Dalai Lama (10th appearance, last in 2011); Climatic Research Unit email controversy (2nd appearance, last in 2011)
Repeats: Sani Abacha (2nd consecutive appearance, 2 total)

—howcheng {chat} 11:39, 16 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

2015 notes

Deleted: Victoria Falls (moved to November 16)
Moved to Ineligible: Sultanate of Sulu (maintenance)
Omitted: John Balliol; Oberto (opera); Sani Abacha; Climatic Research Unit email controversy
Included: Elizabeth I of England (9th appearance, last in 2012); Suez Canal (11th appearance, last in 2013); Japan–Korea Treaty of 1905 (3rd appearance, last in 2012); Heidi Game (2nd appearance, last in 2012)
Repeats: 14th Dalai Lama (2nd consecutive appearance, 11 total)

—howcheng {chat} 11:33, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

2016 notes

Omitted: Elizabeth I of England; Suez Canal; 14th Dalai Lama; Heidi Game
Included: John Balliol (3rd appearance, last in 2014); Battle of Arcole (4th appearance, last in 2012); Oberto (opera) (2nd appearance, last in 2014); Sani Abacha (3rd appearance, last in 2014)
Repeats: Japan–Korea Treaty of 1905 (2nd consecutive appearance, 4 total)

—howcheng {chat} 18:08, 16 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

2017 notes

Moved to Ineligible: Suez Canal (maintenance); 14th Dalai Lama (maintenance)
Omitted: John Balliol; Battle of Arcole; Japan–Korea Treaty of 1905; Sani Abacha
Included: Elizabeth I of England (10th appearance, last in 2015); National Rifle Association (first appearance); H. H. Holmes (first appearance); Luxor massacre (5th appearance, last in 2013); Empress Chen Jinfeng (first appearance); Bernard Montgomery (first appearance); Rosemary Edna Sinclair (first appearance)
Repeats: Oberto (opera) (2nd consecutive appearance, 3 total)

—howcheng {chat} 08:20, 17 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

2018 notes

Moved to Ineligible: Sani Abacha (maintenance)
New articles (unused) Star Wars Holiday Special; Maria Antonia Ferdinanda of Spain
Omitted: Oberto (opera); National Rifle Association (ineligible—maintenance); H. H. Holmes; Luxor massacre; Chen Jinfeng; Bernard Montgomery; Rosemary Edna Sinclair
Included: Battle of Arcole (5th appearance, last in 2016); Heidi Game (3rd appearance, last in 2015; 50th anniversary); Climatic Research Unit email controversy (3rd appearance, last in 2014); Tatarstan Airlines Flight 363 (first appearance); Agnes of Jesus (first appearance); Charlotte of Mecklenburg-Strelitz (first appearance; 200th anniversary); Robert Hofstadter (first appearance)
Repeats: Elizabeth I of England (2nd consecutive appearance, 11 total)

—howcheng {chat} 04:47, 17 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

2019 notes

Deleted: National Rifle Association (moved to November 16)
Omitted: Elizabeth I of England; Battle of Arcole; Heidi Game; Tatarstan Airlines Flight 363; Agnes of Jesus; Charlotte of Mecklenburg-Strelitz (ineligible—maintenance); Robert Hofstadter
Included: Oberto (opera) (4th appearance, last in 2017); H. H. Holmes (2nd appearance, last in 2017; 125th anniversary); Star Wars Holiday Special (first appearance); Maria Antonia Ferdinanda of Spain (first appearance); Grace Abbott (first appearance); Rikard Wolff (first appearance)
Repeats: Climatic Research Unit email controversy (2nd consecutive appearance, 4 total; 10th anniversary)

—howcheng {chat} 17:29, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

2020 notes

Rescued from Ineligible (unused): Charlotte of Mecklenburg-Strelitz
Omitted: H. H. Holmes (ineligible—maintenance); Star Wars Holiday Special; Climatic Research Unit email controversy; Maria Antonia Ferdinanda of Spain; Grace Abbott; Rikard Wolff
Included: Elizabeth I (12th appearance, last in 2018); 14th Dalai Lama (12th appearance, last in 2015; 70th anniversary; rescued from Ineligible); Luxor massacre (6th appearance, last in 2017); Tatarstan Airlines Flight 363 (2nd appearance, last in 2018); Nicolas Appert (first appearance); Bernardo Bellotto (first appearance); Robert Hofstadter (2nd appearance, last in 2018; 30th anniversary)
Repeats: Oberto (opera) (2nd consecutive appearance, 5 total)

—howcheng {chat} 03:55, 19 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

2021 notes

Rescued from Ineligible (unused): Sigismund III Vasa
New articles (unused): Zanobi Strozzi; Cyril Ramaphosa
Omitted: Elizabeth I; Oberto (opera); Luxor massacre; Tatarstan Airlines Flight 363; Nicolas Appert; Bernardo Bellotto; Robert Hofstadter
Included: Battle of Arcole (6th appearance, last in 2018; 225th anniversary); Heidi Game (4th appearance, last in 2018); Climatic Research Unit email controversy (5th appearance, last in 2019); Nikephoros Melissenos (first appearance); Charlotte of Mecklenburg-Strelitz (2nd appearance, last in 2018); Petra Burka (first appearance; 75th birthday)
Repeats: 14th Dalai Lama

—howcheng {chat} 08:48, 18 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]