Talk:Douglas Ross (Scottish politician)

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Leader of Scottish Conservative Party

The infobox gives the name Boris Johnson as "leader of the Scottish Conservative Party". This is, of course, wrong so I removed it. My edit was reverted on grounds that "Leader of the UK party is relevent to the infobox". That may be so but that doesn't mean Boris is leader of the Scottish Party. I intend restoring my edit unless a more adequate reason is given. I notice the infobox for Ruth Davidson is correct on this matter. Thincat (talk) 10:21, 30 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

There's no consensus on this so we'll stick with the "Leader" to mean "UK leader" per norm. By the way, Davidson's second role in her infobox differs from her new role in this way. Alex (talk) 01:07, 29 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This part of the infobox is explicitly about the Scottish Conservative Party and it is categorically false to claim Boris Johnson is Leader of the Scottish Conservative Party. I'll put in a reliable source. Thincat (talk) 12:24, 28 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

After a couple more edits I am OK with the latest version here. Thincat (talk) 13:41, 28 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I have tweaked these a bit so they take up less room and link to specific leadership pages. Alex (talk) 04:17, 2 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 8 March 2021

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No consensus to move. After much-extended time for discussion, there is no consensus for a move at this time. BD2412 T 23:44, 13 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

– More traffic than everyone apart from Doug Ross, who isn't referred to as "Douglas" anyway.[1] Unreal7 (talk) 01:11, 8 March 2021 (UTC) —Relisting. —Nnadigoodluck███ 07:39, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support Per reasoning above. Be sure to add a hatnote as well. Alex (talk) 01:14, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose the Scottish politician is in the news right now but I don't see evidence that he is primary over the several other Doug(las) Rosses in terms of long term significance. (t · c) buidhe 04:18, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support Probably should be renamed; and have Douglas Ross (disambiguation). User:Moondragon21 (talk) 07:27, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per buidhe. No indication that the political figure is known throughout the English-speaking world or has long lasting historical significance. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 07:33, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Buidhe In ictu oculi (talk) 14:25, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Roman Spinner. DMT biscuit (talk) 04:23, 31 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support -as the next-most-widely-viewed article, excepting Doug Ross, only gets ten daily pageviews on average. The other Douglass Rosses are all obscure enough that it seems likely that this one will remain the primary topic even when he stops being in the news as much. Chessrat ^{(talk, contributions)} 00:20, 2 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Buidhe --ScottishNardualElf (talk) 15:17, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per Roman Spinner.JamesVilla44 (talk) 23:27, 6 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Semi-protected edit request on 18 April 2021

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I believe the word “allegedly” should be added before the phrase “breaking lockdown rules”, as it is disputed whether or not Dominic Cummings actually broke lockdown rules. Cummings claims that a provision stating childcare exceptions applied to his trip. 2601:14F:4401:CE20:40F3:1EBA:139:355F (talk) 01:39, 18 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: The current prose does not say he broke lockdown, merely that he traveled during the lockdown. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 10:35, 18 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 2 May 2021

Douglas Ross has said Boris Johnson should resign if the Electoral Commission finds he has broken funding rules over who paid for renovations to the Downing Street flat. Can a confirmed user add this at the end of the 'Political career' section. See https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-56962642 2A00:23C6:3B82:8500:5530:A47C:FF73:44C (talk) 12:05, 2 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Selected, Elected

What reason is there for changing "elected" to "selected from the regional list"? From what I gleand reading Scottish Parliament#Members, constituencies and voting systems, the "List MSPs" are just elected in a different way. This is not an unusual thing. In the U.S., states send electors to congress to represent their states when voting for a president. In Canada, the prime minister is selected by the political party that won the most votes. In common speech, all of the above individuals (MSP, prime minister, president) are said to be "elected". So, what is the problem here? [2] _signed,Willondon (talk) 22:41, 12 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. "Elected" is the correct term. Alex (talk) 11:04, 13 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This is a fringe talking point sometimes used in Scotland by those who do not understand the Additional Member System and support populist political parties disadvantaged by proportional representation as opposed to FPTP. Party lists are published ahead of time and voters vote for the representatives of a particular party, so it is entirely fair to say that they are elected - that is the standard across the many many countries which use this electoral system. Earlier versions of this vandalism stating that Ross "snuck in on the list instead of running for a real seat" make it clear exactly what is going on here - "elected" is absolutely the correct language, and debates over FPTP vs AMS do not belong on this page. Akakievich (talk) 11:36, 13 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, OK. I suspected as much. As in Canada, the political parties make it known well in advance of the election which person is their leader. Probably most voters don't realise how it actually works. It'd be fun to see the furor if a successful party said "Yes, well we've changed our mind. Bob is the prime minister now." _signed,Willondon (talk) 14:20, 13 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]