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Possibility of Frank Marshall becoming an honorary EGOT
Frank Marshall is listed as one of the people who have won three awards with one of them being an honorary prize (in his case he has an honorary Oscar, a competitive Grammy and a competitive Tony). He is now nominated for a Sports Emmy Award as one of the producers of the documentary The Reedem Team. If he wins it, would that Sports Emmy count as a normal Emmy win? Or do we only count Primetime and Daytime Emmys?
I see that some of the individuals listed as having three competitive award wins have won News and Documentary Emmys and there are cases in the Triple Crown of Acting article where they count International Emmys too. I don't think there are any articles from reputable sources that adress this issue. Leo Mercury (talk) 11:02, 30 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Robert Lopez receiving at least 2 of each award potentially changes intervals if they are allowed manual groupings.
A number of data points (8 columns) for each row in this article's primary table enable what I will call superlatives" among those achieving EGOT. Individuals who took the longest to achieve EGOT, achieved it in the fewest years, was oldest or youngest to achieve and the order in which each new EGOT's name joined the club become talking points in this article, in each recognized EGOT's own article and on their Awards and Nominations pages. While criterion qualifying someone to EGOT status seems clear enough, Robert Lopez accumulating at least two of each award has potential to change superlative calculations if someone attempts to manually choose different groupings of four. I'm proposing that 4 qualifying awards should be grouped in the chronological sequence received, stay in that EGOT qualifying group and any subsequent qualifying four awards form additional EGOT qualifying events in strict groups.
To illustrate: If the first four awards which qualified Mr. Lopez had never happened, the four he received beginning in 2010 and ending in 2018 would themselves qualify him as an EGOT. In that superlatives holders have already been named and Mr. Lopez has already been identified as a multiple achiever and fastest to achieve, it becomes necessary to recognize his second qualifying group of 4 was achieved even faster than his first. Today, I edited language establishing his new fastest timeframe (7 years, 8 months) and continued holder of that superlative by strictly following the grouping rule I've proposed above. Absent any such rule, some might argue that Mr. Lopez achieved it even faster (4 years) if awards from 2014(O),2010(E), 2012(G) and 2011(T) are chosen as his most prolific winning period. The current table isn't designed to even handle showing his second EGOT timeline unless a second row repeating his name can be inserted or a second set of numbers below his first set can be added to his existing row. The latter is preferable so the number of rows continues to equal the number of EGOTs. It doesn't take long to imagine how manipulating which awards make up each EGOT grouping can change superlatives. Lovers of combinatorics can push for their preferred outcomes unless some grouping discipline is enforced. The superlatives are relatable and reportable so I hope we build consensus but even with grouping rules, the existing table needs rules for listing those groupings if it is to continue to answer all the questions we've come to expect (EGOT y/n, how long, how old, how fast, how slow, etc).
A QUESTION my Rule Proposal still doesn't answer: If Robert Lopez wins a qualifying award at age 88, does that make him the oldest male EGOT automatically? Or does that award have to be just then completing another grouping of 4 for him (perhaps his 3rd of 4th set of EGOT competitive awards)? Or having achieved EGOT at a younger age than John Gielgud, can he never be named as the oldest male winner, in spite of having so many more awards than other males? Wclaytong (talk) 08:43, 3 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
related to that, should Lopez get a second row in the column for his second EGOT? I feel like the current footnote alone doesn't really do the achievement justice. --jonas (talk) 21:48, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Mel Brooks Double EGOT
With Mel Brooks receiving an honorary Academy Award in January 2024, It should be noted in this article that Mel Brooks is both the second double EGOT winner, and the first to reach both competitive and non-competitive EGOT status at the same time. VCJunkie (talk) 06:22, 13 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"Competitive" award?
The article neither explains the distinction between a competitive and a non-competitive award, nor does it as far as I could see refer to any other source that explains it. I have no idea what it means myself, and I also can't find it with googling at the moment. Shouldn't the article describe this? Ifrit (Talk) 02:53, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
