Talk:Green Day

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Question on influences

I think you should add british bands, such as The Who, Billy Joe has said in interviews they are one of his favorite most inspiring bands.. Also, The Kinks, mainly because Green Day did a cover of "tired of waiting for you" on shenanigans, and the guitar riff of "warning" was actually inspired by the song "picture book".. The Beatles, or actually more so John Lennon, which is obvious seeing as they did a cover of "working class hero".. I have heard of an interview as Billy joe stating the who as a major influence, im not sure where i saw it.. the kinks are just obvious.. i dont know, what do you think? Justin--

Just wondering

Do the dates next to the songs on American Idiot mean anything?--69.113.131.124 22:42, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

I believe they are the dates that each song happens in the story for American Idiot, although I am not completely sure and have no evidence to back it up. I do think the American Idiot article did have an explaination at one point.  Orfen ^{User Talk} | _Contribs 00:39, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

they are also missing "Pickin' On Green Day", an album released in august 2005, it is songs from all their albums done in bluegrass. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Damn hippie kid (talk • contribs) 04:29, 6 May 2007 (UTC).

Discography

Their album 'Shananigans' is missing from the discography —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.58.100.33 (talk) 18:34, 7 March 2007 (UTC).

Shenanigans is a compilation album and is therefore not mentioned in the discography section. You can, however, find it in the discography article. - Duribald 20:42, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

this is a very good article wouldn't you agree...

this is one of the best articles about green day ever the info. is amazingly correct. it shows pictures and criteria i am in awe of how well managed this is! good job! -bryer d.- —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 63.215.29.17 (talk) 15:22, 10 March 2007 (UTC).

yeah i agree it is pretty good =) congrats to all the people who made it this good! ▓░ Dark Devil ░▓ ( Talk ♥ Contribs ) 09:39, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

No, Green Day is an anti-america. Green Day - move to antoher country and see how life really is.

Minor Correction

Its a really, really minor point but I'd recommend adding a line about Kerplunk being recorded to the section on the bands history. At the moment it reads rather strangely because it jumps from the release of 1,039/Smoothed Out Slappy Hours and the consequent tour to discussing sales figures for Kerplunk with no mention of the album being recorded. I'd edit it myself but I don't really know anything about this period of Green Days history so I'd worry about getting my facts wrong. Danikat 19:07, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Thank you Danikat! I added a quick fix for now, because there's not much information about Kerplunk's recording. I'll have to do some digging, because I vaguely remember some information that I cannot confirm. I just changed it to "Their second full length album" to the sentence so the confusion is lessened. Thank you for pointing that out!--JUDE ^talk 21:02, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

my song samples

I don't know why, but nearly all of my sound samples have been removed. Can someone tell me why and how to get them back on so they won't be removed again?  scrumshus ^{Talk to me} 22:43, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

I wasn't the person who removed them but I'm guessing either that there were too many, or (more likely) copyright reasons. Cynical 13:18, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

horribly vandalized

this page is horribly vandalized, someone please fix it! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.73.94.20 (talk) 03:48, 18 March 2007 (UTC).

Sources for successful albums after Dookie

There was citation needed for the following statement:

"Green Day's immediate follow-up albums didn't achieve the massive success of Dookie, but they were still successful."

I added two references[1]. Insomniac was their 3rd most successful album, though in the shadow of Dookie, Green Day felt it was a failure. nimrod. as I recall was an instant success, especially after the release of Good Riddance (Time of Your Life). This source validates the chart positions as successful by recording industry standards. This source states that compared to Dookie, which was a huge success, Insomniac was slightly dwarfed. I think it justifies the statement in the article. I wouldn't typically make a whole talk page topic about citation, but I feel like I might have pointed out why the sources are relevant since the statement seems to be "commentary-ish"[2], which is true. If anyone is unsatisfied please let me know as the topic is slightly vague and opinion oriented. Thank you.--JUDE ^talk 07:14, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Actually, no citation is needed for that statement. It's the lead section, which gives an overview of the entire article, thus the statement is expanded upon material already in the body of the article. WesleyDodds 07:27, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Oh okay, sorry! I didn't realise that. I was just going by the edit someone made asking for citation. Thanks for clearing it up, I'll delete it.--JUDE ^talk 08:31, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

So, no references are needed in lead sections? Sancho (talk) 13:21, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Generally there should be no need for references, since whatever appears in the lead section should also appear in the body of the article (where it will be cited). However, some things (particularly facts like sale numbers and direct quotes) need to be cited no matter what. WesleyDodds 18:00, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Correction

The picture where it says early green day before John Kiffmeyer joined is wrong. John is left handed and the drummer in that picture, who i'm assuming is tre, is obviously right handed, because his ride is on the right. Thanks!!!

Photos

Why are the photos going to get deleted?--69.113.131.124 21:54, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Some stupid copyright issue. Randomfrenchie 00:39, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

dont you just hate the copyright issues with photos on wikipedia??? ▓░ Dark Devil ░▓ ( Talk ♥ Contribs ) 09:41, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Origin

It said not to change without talk page discussion, so this is it. I've watched a Green Day concert and they said they were from Oakland, California. I think that would be more clear than saying "East Bay". Randomfrenchie 00:39, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

They call their home Oakland California, however the boys were born and raised in various areas of the East Bay, therefore generally it's a lot easier to say East Bay because people feel as though they weren't raised in Oakland, therefore, they cannot claim it as their own. I agree, that if they say that it's Oakland, it should be Oakland, but I'm trying to represent the other opinions to you as well so that you may better understand the decision.--JUDE ^talk 01:38, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

I think "East Bay" seems kind of random. Many people might not immediately know where that is. Oakland is a well known city. If no one posts any objections here within a few days, I think it should be changed. Randomfrenchie 02:49, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

That's true, they might not. To me the East Bay is east of San Francisco Bay, however to people on the east coast in the Mid-Atlantic area think of the Chesapeake when they hear "Bay Area". Perhaps if someone protests the use of Oakland as their origin, they may accept "East San Francisco Bay Area" as a substitute. --JUDE ^talk 03:27, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Post-grunge

why isn't Green Day Post-Grunge??? last time I added it to their genre on the template it was always reverted. Green Day is post-grunge according to Allmusic Guide which is a reliable source isn't it? (Tigerghost 18:53, 9 April 2007 (UTC))

The term "Post-grunge" is quite specific and most people are not familiar with it. Randomfrenchie 01:07, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

• • Allmusic Guides' Defination of Punk-Pop says that it is a branchoff of Post-Grunge and Allmusic also labels Green Day as Post-grunge (Tigerghost 23:52, 12 April 2007 (UTC))

All music guide is not a reliable source, it lists any band who became popular in the mid or late 90's as post-grunge. We had this same debate on The Offspring and Blink182 talk pages, and both teams it was concluded that AMG was not a good source.Hoponpop69 15:02, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

I agree that Green Day is "post-grunge" however I also agree that "post grunge" is such a non-specific term that it really shouldn't be used anymore. It isn't even a genre, it describes a time period. I also agree that All Music Guide is an unreliable source and shouldn't be used.--JUDE ^talk 18:01, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Er, Green Day really isn't anything anymore...it's just mainstream pop-rock (which is a VERY watered down, semi-punk/semi-emo in today's music world)...however, it is appropriate to call their earlier works Post-Grunge (before they signed onto a major label and became sellouts). -Matthias.

Signing to a major label doesn't make you a sell-out, I think you're incorrect in saying they have. Rob Castillo 10:07, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Nobody Likes You

How accurate is Noboday Like You?--Kingforaday1620 21:43, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Not very, to be honest. I'm not a professional, and this is just my opinion, not the opinion of anyone else, but there was a lot in that book that was not accurate at all. The author had full range to speak with Billie Joe's family, however what would your family say about you? I don't think they intended to tell any lies or stretch the truth, however think about your uncle so-and-so trying to tell an author about what you're like and what you went through 20-30 years ago. They have a very good point of view, but not the best. Also, the author didn't like the kind of music green day puts out, nor did he know anything about the punk rock scene. The book is basically an account of "he said" "she said" narration. It's a nice book to read for one perspective, but like all stories, there's more than one side.--JUDE ^talk 04:15, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

PS: You said that Nobody Likes You stated that Billie Joe was the water boy for the football team. Billie Joe says he played "wide receiver and halfback" his freshman year. Just for an example, so you understand what I'm saying.--JUDE ^talk 04:39, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Jackass

Is that song really about Blink 182?--69.113.131.124 22:44, 23 April 2007 (UTC) I don't believe so --65.78.71.127 19:47, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Article for every single song???

Do we really need to make an article for every single song in the American Idiot album? I'm a Green Day fan myself, but every song is really insignifiant. Additionally, I would say that all the songs, except the singles, would fall under WP:NOT and WP:DELETE. As paraphrased from WP:NOT, we don't need an article for every chapter in a book, unless that chapter is highly signifigant... so why do we need an article for every single song??? If there are no objections, I'm going to nominate all the non-singles for WP:AfD. — Ian Lee (Talk) 00:25, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Why delete them? What does that accomplish and who does it benefit? I object to nominating them; please don't. They are not doing any harm. Randomfrenchie 01:12, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Sorry for responding so slow... I've had limited access to a computer for quite a while. Getting to the point, I personally do think that it degrades Wikipedia by making it less of a Encylopedia, and more of a fan forum as said in WP:NOT, but I won't nominate them (although I truly think that I should), because I guess it kinds of ups the community here at WP as hinted by your response. Addionally, I'm probably biased because I'm writing the essay User:Ian Lee/Critque of Wikipedia. — Ian Lee (Talk) 04:03, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Green Day at the Bowl

I'm just wondering why my photo of Green Day at the National Bowl was deleted? I thought it was a decent picture and it was a major show: 500,000 people in attendance. It deserved a photo.

--DearCatastropheWaitress 18:04, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Your image was removed in this diff with the edit summary of "already enough images in this section".  Orfen ^{User Talk} | _Contribs 18:11, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

500,000 people? What are you talking about, there were around 60,000 people. Rob Castillo 10:09, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Working Class Hero (Green Day)

Shouldn't there be an article? And is Samuel Bayer directing the video for the song?--Kingforaday1620 21:36, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

There is already an article at Working Class Hero with information about the Green Day cover on it. It is only a quick mention but it is still on there. If you are suggesting creating something like at the The Saints Are Coming article then it could probably be added at the bottem just like The Saints Are Coming article.  Orfen ^{User Talk} | _Contribs 21:39, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

That's what i ment like the saints.--Kingforaday1620 21:47, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

As it is a single I would say yes as it is a single by a notable band.  Orfen ^{User Talk} | _Contribs 21:50, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Is Samuel Bayer directing the video?--Kingforaday1620 22:00, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Yes,the vid will be directed by Sam Bayer, but I don't have the link yet. I saw it on Greendayauthority.com Deandra56 13:07, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

New template design

Is anyone for this more organized template? I like it better that the current one. Ṣ₡ЯՄ♏ʂɧ♆☭ ^{♲ recycle kids! omg i'm ur biggest fan...➤ 16:08, 5 May 2007 (UTC)}

MySpace link

Is there any link from an official Green Day site saying that the link given to their MySpace profile is their official profile? --Jordan Elder talk 23:28, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

I personally always thought that they never had a Myspace. I also believe there is a quote saying that their official website is the only place that they officially run or something to that nature but I am not sure where this quote is.  Orfen ^{User Talk} | _Contribs 01:31, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

They do have an official myspace, but the blogs are updated once every 6 months or so, and no one is ever added as a friend to it anymore. The best bet is to just catch the RSS feed on Greendayauthority.com.--JUDE ^talk 03:53, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

1988

I can't edit it because I am new. Green Day was formed in Berkley, CA in 1988. Someone please fix this. Source: iTunes.

New Album

The last statement on "Future Plans" is incorrect because Green Day has stated that they have material for three different albums. That doesn't mean they are planning on releasing all three.

• ok so read this then http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/upcoming_releases/green_day_with_three_new_albums.html

--Ry90 08:57, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

That note is changing what they actually said, they said they had enough material to make three different albums but they never said they were releasing three albums. Besides that green day never specified that the new album was going ti be released in summer, in fact in a recent interview with kerrang tv, billie joe said that the album may be released this year.

On speculation

This is a pretty good article, but this article and some of the ones regarding the band's less successful albums, nimrod. and Warning: seem to be written in a way that tries to read into things. We don't know if the release of a B-sides album and a greatest hits record is evidence that a band is in an unsuccessful part of their career or not. I suggest that the article be written straighter, in a just-the-facts sort of manner.

Wikipedia isn't a resource for endless speculation; there's a whole rest of the Internet for that. Let's keep the bias out of the article, OK? - Stick Fig 14:47, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Sound sample deletions

Can anybody tell me why the sound samples were deleted? As the uploader, I was supposed to get warning of this, and I didn't. 5 sound samples were deleted off this page and deleted in general. Can anybody confirm who deleted them? It took a lot of work getting those samples, and they are cructial to the article -Ṣ₡ЯՄՊՏɧѱᎦ ^☎/ _∑ 15:13, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Supposed producer change

Just an fyi the producer change was just a rumour, and has been confirmed untrue by Green Day's management.--JUDE ^talk 19:20, 5 June 2007 (UTC)