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Heads up.

He's back. I've been reverting all of his edits, but let me know if you think I should be semi-protecting any pages (I think you have most of the relevant ones watchlisted). | Mr. Darcy talk 18:49, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Congrats on becoming an Admin, and Happy New Year.--Ccson 04:40, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Please take a look at the use of copyrighted material or links to it on the article.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alpha_Phi_Alpha&diff=97954326&oldid=97902860

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:EL McGrandWizard. 16:44, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Blocked him. I was just waiting for something more obvious, but the attack on you was pretty plain. Thanks for the notice. | Mr. Darcy talk 18:32, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Charles C. Poindexter

Have a look. I believe that 2Cold06 is playing fast and loose with sources, but you're far more familiar with the subject matter. | Mr. Darcy talk 20:41, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think I was mistaken about Poindexter's notability. If I close the AfD early (as keep), do you think that you (or others) can make the article a legitimate stand-alone entry, rather than just a POV fork from Alpha Phi Alpha? I'm just not familiar enough with the subject matter to handle the content. | Mr. Darcy talk 16:42, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'll provide some assistance, however; I don't want an edit war with MyKungFu/2Cold06, but he shouldn't be editing anyway. I'll get some info from the Alpha history book and provide some data.--Ccson 00:26, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. He will not edit Wikipedia as long as I'm around. We'll just see how long it takes him to realize that. | Mr. Darcy talk 00:38, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Was that enough reason to remove his comments here? 24.90.165.192 22:47, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Using AKA Presidents Template/Stomp the Yard

Hi, CCson. Thanks for the AKA president template! I am using/modifying it for the Links, Incorporated artice. Also, are you going to go see Stomp the Yard? It might be helpful to incorporate the film's contraversy into the Alpha Phi Alpha article. From the film's preview, I thought I saw the Delta's logo (sigma backwards) and the opposing fraternity is inferenced to be Kappa Alpha Psi, because I heard "yo-yo," and that's trademarked as well as "ice cold" Bearly541 07:07, 8 January 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Pledging is no longer acceptable [1] The new process is the MIP and individuals who go thru this are aspirants. How come you didn't learn this and list this? do you have an excuse? do you know what excuses are? 172.197.103.139 21:06, 11 January 2007 (UTC) (final chapter)[reply]

I <s>think</s> am positive this is MKF. I think the main reason that MKF vandalizes Frat and Soror pages is due to not being accepted into the fraternity of his choosing (which is sad, I know), too much time on his hands, or just for show. Thanks for leaving messages on my talk page, and thanks for being supportive. Bearly541 02:59, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

MKF

Just a warning that the sockpuppet attacks are back. I've detailed his travels here.-Robotam 17:24, 26 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

BTW, your comments link redirected to MrDarcy's page, so I fixed it.-Robotam 17:24, 26 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Enigma of What is MyKungFu

This story was really meant for MrDarcy, Ccson, Robotam, Real96/Bearly541 (the edit's to the links and Real's edits to bearly's talk page gave it away) since they were always wondering as to what drove MyKungFu. Initially it was to spread the message of some of the ills that went on with some greek organizations. It later became some of the ills (that had factual basis) of other groups. After a while it was simply the joy of the debate (sentence by sentence as it seemed). Even if you don't know who I am, you are like a family. We've been debating for over a year. The cat and mouse, it honestly has been fun. Some of the article that were initially created were in good faith or eventually became good faith, Gamma Phi, Charles C. Poindexter, Walter M. Kimbrough, Holcombe Rucker, Sigma Pi Phi, and Alpha Kappa Nu. I learned strong references and loved to debate them. I know that many organizations like to be seen in a good light especially when they have their members editing it. That though shouldn't stop Wikipedia as being a source of the whole truth. Which is what I feel was being stopped from being shown. E.g. the hazing incidents of many greek organizations. The ban was a ban; and I asked for the account to be unblocked after a few months. It never happened. Oh well... Many of my screen names were caught, but in the chase there were a number of screen names that you mistakenly thought was MyKungFu. I can tell you that Vkmayes and Mukokeri weren't mine. I really laughed when I saw Real96 labeled a sock; MrDarcy than did a checkuser on her and when it was found false wouldn't apologize. Also how JeffGent was almost labeled a sock by Ccson on Robotam's page. It's funny how so many IP's were labeled socks when they weren't socks at all. Anyway, I am writing because I am currently going thru a family crises. My brother was seriously injured in Iraq by a rocket attack. I found out today on my way back home. I won't be on Wikipedia for a long time. In all it's been a lot of fun. All the best...

MyKungFu MyWingChun 05:20, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Uploaded Dubois at Beta Chapter Banquet, 1932

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What a great picture!--Ccson 05:28, 7 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Threat from User:Osiris06

I just opened my e-mail and I received the following:

Real96, The Badge of Alpha Phi Alpha Fraternity, Incorporated, is trademarked and copyrighted AND is not for public display. If you continue to display, this matter will be submitted to the General Counsel of the Fraternity and Wikipedia for legal resolution. ******* I have been reverting [2], [3], [4], and [5] his edits to the article. As a result, the user is blocked indef. What do you think? Leave a message here, and I shall respond! Real96 06:51, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Osiris06 may not be familiar with the necessary procedures regading copyrighted image in wikipedia, however; he/she is welcome to pursue the matter to whatever lenghts he/she feels is necessary. The suggestion to add the pin was requested by another user. An Admin MrDarcy cautioned adding the pin unless certain procedures are followed. I print his reply which was posted on an archived Alpha Phi Alpha discussion page:

The image is copyrighted and can't be used. If someone here takes a picture of a pin and uploads it, that's fine. Taking the JPEG from another site is not. | Mr. Darcy talk 02:28, 10 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I took the picture of my pin and uploaded to this site, so I think it has satified wikipedia, otherwise I would have received an message that I violated copyright law.--Ccson 03:21, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As long as you were aware of the situation, that's all I wanted you to know! Real96 04:14, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you.--Ccson 14:08, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Age Calc template

I just love that age calculation template!!! 2much 20:41, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Language templates

I noticed that you had added the {{lang}} template to United States Ambassador to Botswana. What is the purpose of that language template? What does it do? I looked at the template docs, and it says that it tags a string of text. But what then? ●DanMS • Talk 23:46, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The occurrence of the lang temp is for a french word used in an english article. Different web browers may not know how to display these words in english. There are lang templates for almost every language known, this article just has a french word. See Template talk:Lang#Rationale.

There was a discussion in February to delete this template but obviously it still exists. Here's what an editor had to say in his quest to keep the template

Keep — or at least reconsider. These templates do more than the deleted template:ll. They are used to mark up words or phrases not in English. They place the name of the language at the beginning, as a wikilink to the article about the language. Then they display the word, with the template marking it in CSS as the language in question, and suggesting appropriate fonts for language-stupid browsers (MSIE). Template:lang-ar allows me to read Arabic words and phrases in my favourite Arabic font. --Gareth Hughes 20:20, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

I hope this helps.--Ccson 01:46, 21 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the enlightenment. Actually, it doesn’t seem terribly useful for western European languages that use ISO-8859-1. I could see the usefulness of it for languages with other scripts. In the case of chargé d’affaires, I would tend to think that the phrase has been used in English long enough so that it would no longer be considered a foreign word. But I won’t quibble about it. ●DanMS • Talk 06:24, 21 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thank You. Most browsers could possibly handle many foreign words, however; this is for "language stupid' browsers. Remember, the web allows anyone from around the world to view our english site of wikipedia, however; this doesn't mean browsers in other countries account for foreign words in the english language. You're welcome.--Ccson 12:49, 21 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Phi Beta Sigma Article

Greetings. I only worked to get the ball rolling on the article. I am going to be working on other things. Whatever changes you feel you need to make go ahead.--EhavEliyahu 18:17, 29 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

NPHC

I removed your comments on the NPHC stuff from my talk page, as it was replication of the conversation I had already moved to the NPHC talk page. Your warning was inappropriate and unnecessary, and I can construe your reverts without any discussion as vandalism in of itself. The change back needs to be discussed on the talk page mentioned above. Please do continue to contribute to the conversation there. Justinm1978 19:49, 5 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Alpha Phi Alpha

No, I won't revert to another version, because for one thing you do not have consensus for your version. Others disagree with you.[6] Also, please stop calling each other vandals. Wikipedia:Avoid the word "vandal". Neither of you are vandalizing the article, so stop the namecalling. ··coelacan 04:50, 6 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, now would be a great time to go to Talk:Alpha Phi Alpha and make a section there explaining your reasoning, and then invite the other editors to that section for discussion. ··coelacan 05:02, 6 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I was asking for clarification on a wikipedia policy, not what should be acceptable content for the article. I thought an adminsitrator would be able to provide the requested guidance.--Ccson 05:07, 6 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle is not policy. It is a suggestion for reaching consensus. What I was suggesting is that you discuss the content of the article at the article talk page. That could be a step toward consensus. ··coelacan 05:16, 6 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Again, Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle is not policy. As long as Justin isn't breaking WP:3RR or committing other blockable offenses, there isn't much I can do. ··coelacan 05:24, 6 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

WP:ADOPT input

Hello, Ccson. The Adopt-a-User program is looking for new ideas and input on the program. If you are still interested please stop by the talk page and read some of the ideas being floated and give a comment. If you want to update or change your information on the adopter's list page, now would be a great time! Thanks! V60 干什么？ · VDemolitions 03:37, 7 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Alpha Phi Alpha Pyramid Picture

I removed it, not because it is simply a picture, but because pictures are supposed to enhance an explanation or situation. Simply showing a picture of the pyramids really isn't all that necessary. Jmlk17 20:38, 7 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

that's one point of view.--Ccson 02:19, 8 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah it is. How is it fair use as well? Jmlk17 02:21, 8 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Many people are not familiar with a Sphinx and the image does add value to these individuals. Are you familiar with wikipedia suggestion regarding Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle?

You know what I hate? When someone makes too good of a point :). Just kidding, but seriously, I don't know why, but the picture in the template just rubs me the wrong way. It might just be me, but how about pushing it down into the actual article, where symbolism is discussed more in-depth? Jmlk17 02:35, 8 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The idea wasn't original, I saw it in the Cornell University when they depicted their mascot. The picture is already in the article, however; i will remove from infobox. thanks for all the good work you do for GLOs. Nice to meet you.--Ccson 02:41, 8 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks; nice to meet you as well. Hope to see you/work with you down the road. Jmlk17 02:51, 8 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hey. I just wanted to thank you; most of the time whenever I encounter an argument here on Wikipedia, I find it never truly getting resolved. But you handled your end much better than normal, and much better than I did in our end of the conversation, and for that, I thank you. Hope all's well, and happy editing! Jmlk17 07:48, 14 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sourced statement

Hi Ccson,

Thanks for the message concerning adding the reference for the Alpha Phi Alpha brothers' biographies. Although it was my intention to add this documentation, almost 25 years of being a member of the fraternity means having to find 25 years worth of documentation which I am in the process of compiling (yes, I have my own personal archives) though I was a bit surprised that some of them did not have it already mentioned. This just probably means that I take knowing who ACTUALLLY belongs to my fraternity a bit more seriously than most and am able to add the information to the bio and be assured that it is indeed correct from memory. That said, all documentation will be added to the brothers whose bios I updated for they, like me, are indeed members of Alpha Phi Alpha.

Now, while we are on the topic, I am a bit surprised that people like Charles Diggs and Roland Hayes had Alpha Phi Alpha mentioned in their bios when they are clearly NOT members of the "brotherhood". I provided "guidance" and alleviated ignorance by removing these men (Diggs is a member of Kappa Alpha Psi, I believe, while Hayes is clearly a member of Omega Psi Phi).

As far as an account goes, well, I got some ridiculous "IP address" block, followd the instructions and, voila, it reappeared. Go figure. Rather than deal with that nonsense, I think I'll just update bios with the correct information and add some references. I think that will be enough factual information.

So, once again, thanks for the message.

Fraternally yours,

Diop

Hi Bro. Ccson,

It just hit me that I can't pinpoint all the bios of the Alpha men that I have updated. Any help that you can provide here for me? If not, I will do the ones I KNOW that I did like Brother Dr. Alfred B. Xuma, past President of the African National Congress. I know that no one else would have added that one. LOL.

Fraternally yours,

Diop

Check these two links for possible articles you updated. You will see the contributions made using the IP address as you scroll down the list.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/76.102.42.175

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/69.181.84.128

Roland Hayes was listed as a member of Alpha Phi Alpha in it's Centenary Report of the World Polciy Council. The link was provided in the article before you removed it. Did you check the source before removing the text. I will provide the link here] for your review, pls see page 10 and give me your thoughts.

Hi Ccson,

Thanks for the quick replies. To repeat my previous post, after getting the IP block message (LONG after I had created the original account), I re-created my account using the instructions I was given in the email I received that said it was okay to use my account. When I then tried to use it I STILL got and STILL get the IP block message. So, once again, any suggestions would be helpful here and I thank you in advance.

As far as Mr. Diggs (Kappa Alpha Psi, I believe) and Mr. Hayes (Omega Psi Phi) are concerned, I am trying to find MY documentation on the matter. No offense to anyone (and I am checking the documentation you provided as well-thanks!) but until then, I stand by my previous posts that they are not members of APHIA, period. Before Wikipedia I HAD NEVER, EVER SEEN these two fine African-African men listed as members of APHIA, anywhere. I really don't see that many mistakes concerning our membership, so, as I said earlier, I will continue my research as well.

So please let me know where else to turn with this IP block matter. It has been a nuisance matter. In the meantime, I am blowing the dust off of almost 25 years of archival material that I had forgotten that I had and will provide references as noted in my earlier post.

Thanks a million,

Diop

You will need a very good reputable and verifiable source to contradict the claims of the Alpha Phi Alpha national office which has listed Roland Hayes as member in a report issued just under a year ago in an official report. Remember, they could have chosen from over 175,000 names, but included Hayes among the likes of Dubois, Sissle, Cullen and Robeson. It could be a major Faux pas, but one has to believe that several eyes proof read this document before it was published. I'll await your findings.

What is your userid?

Hi Ccson,

Could the writer of the article supply their "very good, reputable, and verifiable source" to prove that the great Mr. Hayes was a part of APHIA? I got Mr. Hayes affiliation from my Omega friends ages ago and have NEVER seen him affiliated with us in any way but always highlighted by the Omegas one of their "brethren". As a matter of fact, the memorial service and Howard University (1985?) Tribute programs for Brother Dr. Charles Wesley that I have mention Mr. Hayes (he was a classmate of Brother Wesley's at Fisk) and CLEARLY DO NOT identify him as a member of APHIA. Surely on such grand occasions as these Mr. Hayes membership would have been highlighted, correct?

BTW, mentioning the great Alpha brothers like Dubois (Epsilon chapter), Cullen (Eta chapter?), and Robeson (Nu chapter) in this discussion does not bolster your contention re: Mr. Hayes since ALL THREE are CLEARLY MENTIONED in the History Book of dear 'ole APHIA as members of the fraternity. I also have known for ages that Noble Sissle was an Alphaman as did many of us "old heads" (said with kindness,of course).

The userid issue has been solved today by creating a new one. Thank God! The new one is diop2000.

Best,

Diop

What article are you referring to? The one I provided in the link that is a report Alpha Phi Alpha's World Policy Council? The members include Edward Brooke, Ron Dellums, Horace Dawson, Henry Ponder, Darryl Matthews, and a list of other prominent Alpha men. Did you go to the link and see who produced and wrote the report? click here] and you can see that this is an official document of Alpha Phi Alpha. The authors of the report also know about sissle, dubois, etc, that why they were included, and I'm just saying how could they miss on Hayes. You may be right, but you're in contradiction of the national office which has been sourced and we need to resolve this. Unfortunately, personal knowledge is considered orginal reseach and not allowed in wikipedia.

BTW-I'm not mentioning dubois,etc to prove my case because I don't have one. I said the Alpha fraternity bros who authored the World Polcy Report of Alpha Phi Alpha mentioned Hayes among these names as members of Alpha Phi Alpha. Have you read page 10 of the report, because you're asking questions that should have provided in this report? --Ccson 17:17, 10 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Ccson,

Yes, this needs to be resolved, my friend but for the brotherhood, not for me. And a reminder sent to Omega Psi Phi that they SHOULD NO LONGER claim Mr. Hayes in documents if I am wrong (now this I am waiting for with "baited breath"!). And with solid proof (dob, date and chapter of initiation, etc) as you allude to (sort of like the documentation that I added for Brothers Xuma and Archibald Carey, no less, though I Do tend to know who does and does not belong to my fraternity). Also, you seem to be believe that men can't make mistakes. Happens daily, my friend, even with great men such as those mentioned above. Also, many brothers aren't as in tune to the "historical membership" as others. I've seen Quincy Jones, Bill Cosby (Omega Psi Phi), and a few (not many) other African-American men of note mentioned as Alpha men who clearly were NOT. Happens due to eagerness, honest mistakes, the fact they people aren't perfect, and due to confusion over names and affiliations (yes Jackie Robinson played for the APHIA baseball team somewhere and was a member of the Sphinx Club while at UCLA but he WAS NOT initiated into the fraternity).

Best regards,

diop

P.S.- If I am right I expect a nice APHIA hat to mysteriously appear at my doorstep. diop

I am not suggesting that the WPC or yourself has made a mistake, although one has to be incorrect. I'm simply pointing out to you as a fellow wikipedian, that all inputs on this site must have a reputable and verifiable source. Alphaphialpha.net is not simply a local chapter which has layed claim to Hayes, and Hayes may be an Omega, but the source needs to trump the Alpha Phi Alpha national office. If Hayes is an Omega, then the national office needs to speedily correct the WPC report. I think its you who believe that while men may make mistake, you are not in this category since you're waiting with baited breath. Have you contacted the national office to confirm hayes membership. I'm sure the national office will appreciate your efforts in correcting all the old heads on their error and a hat at the minimum will appear, but I think you should hold for a copy of the centennial photo taken at howard university.

You can sign your name on any page by typing 4 tildes, likes this: <nowiki>Android Mouse Bot 2 11:43, 25 May 2007 (UTC)</nowiki>. The key to the left of the number 1 key.--Ccson 21:10, 10 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

see Category:Wikipedians in Alpha Phi Alpha

Check this out.

The Official Charter. We will need to get the contact information of the original author to upload. OR, we can say, that the copyright expired b/c the document is over 75 years old. Real96 03:57, 10 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I am uploading it, since the copyright has expired. Real96 03:57, 10 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Great!!!--Ccson 15:42, 10 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Buildings named after Alphas

Just wanted to let you know that the library at Fisk University is jointly named after Bro. John Hope Franklin (a Fisk alum, Alpha Chi chapter 1932)and his wife. Check the school's website.

Keep up the good work.

I'm going to update the new article List of Alpha Phi Alpha brothers to include the accomplishments of brothers. I'll add this information here. I'm compiling the information offline and will upload the complete reorg of this page sometime next week. I just finished with Marc Morial, so I'm just over half way. You'll be the first to know when my work is done.--Ccson 05:35, 13 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Adisalee 18:08, 12 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Improving Article

I have decided to start improving the Phi Beta Sigma page. What improvements would you suggest? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Occasio (talk • contribs) 20:40, 12 May 2007 (UTC).[reply]

list of Alpha Phi Alpha Brothers

Is there a small limit to the amount of information that can be contained on this list? Feel free to edit or delete any information that I have added to the list of Alpha Phi Alpha brothers. I am only trying to share some of the information that I have been fortunate enough to come across. I intentionally added information about brothers of Alpha that are/have been involved in areas of entertainment such as sports, music, movies and television. I chose to focus on those fields because they are often overlooked and unnoticed when mentioning the achievements of Alpha men. While entertainment is certainly not more important that government, politics, religion, education, etc. it is still interesting to much of the brotherhood. Alpha is prominent in many areas and I only wish to share what I know about the versatility of our great organization. Additionally, fame or noteworthiness is certainly a matter of opinion and debate. Someone who is not familiar with a particular field or area of expertise would probably not recognize brothers that are prominent or even moderately successful in that field. In my humble opinion, reaching/achieving certain levels of success in a particular field deserves acknowledgement. Obviously the mayor of a major city is going to be more "notable" than a mayor of a small one. One accomplishment may be greater than the next, however just accomplishing that level of success (becoming a mayor) is noteworthy. In other words, just making it to the NFL, NBA, Major Leagues, etc. is an accomplishment all in its own. That level of success deserves at least a little attention. Whether it's a mayor, senator, astronaut, or NFL player, I personally feel that those brothers that reach those high levels in their fields are worthy of recognition on something as simple as a webpage list of successfull Alphas. Maybe not in a famous Alpha hall of fame, but certainly on a webpage! LOL However, feel free to edit or delete anything that I have added.

List of Notable Alpha Phi Alpha brothers

Looks like a very good list. It is one of the lists I have been using as an example in building Notable Alpha Phi Omega members. Is the list pulled from a single source at the National webpage? I know I've gotten comments on lack of references on the Alpha Phi Omega one.Naraht 13:56, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes and No. There was a category that was deleted by some wiki project that said such categories should not exist. The category contained a list a names from articles that had this category on the members page. The majority of the aritlces had a reference or link that indicated the person was member of Alpha Phi Alpha. This committee built the list from the category. I organized this list from an alphabetical listing to the current one which has sections and added all the detail.

I'm hoping that when someone links to the person's page, that editors will be satified with the reference provided on the person page, or the list might contain hundreds of reference which would be a nightmare. The fraternity site will only list the names, but the details of accomplishments are contained in person's article, so you may have to provide references which prove the detail, not just that he was a member of the fraternity. If I haven't already done so, I will add a link to the APA website which does list many of the names, but obviously not all.--Ccson 03:29, 19 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I remember the CFD for the categories, which also got rid of the one for Alpha Phi Omega. We went the other way, the Notable Alpha Phi Omega members has all of the references (and yes we are up over 200). I probably should add a link at the bottom to that place as well, but I think I include it as one of the references.Naraht 11:22, 19 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The group that got rid of the category and created the list should have provided the references in the new members article. The category did not require a reference since each person listed had an article in wikipedia and many APA members, the reference was provided. To create the list and leave the work of providing the references to others is probably something they didn't think about. I may attempt to add references at some point, but I'm not going to stress myself out about it since I didn't create the original list without the references, and it's not on top list of things to do. If you want to tag the article, feel free to do so.--Ccson 03:40, 20 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment

That is a very inappropriate statement on your part (that I am "biased against Alpha Phi Alpha"), and I highly suggest you consider very carefully how civil you are toward other editors. Your bias as the primary author of the article and your conflict of interest as a member of the fraternity are starting to be disruptive and not building community. Please stop the accusations, or the next step is formal mediation, which neither of us want. Justinm1978 19:35, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Mediation Cabal case

The Mediation Cabal: Case progress notification

Dear Ccson: Hello there. I'd like to let you know that in a Mediation Cabal mediation case that you are involved in, or have some connection with:

Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2007-06-29 Infobox Fraternity

I've made the following changes:

I have written my initial analysis and request for further information. Please have a look at what I have written on the mediation page; I would be most grateful for your input there. I am requesting the participation of the other users you named there as well. Thanks!

I would be most grateful if you would please have a look at the mediation case page linked to above, and participate in the current stage of the mediation process if you wish. Of course, participation is completely optional, and if you don't want to take part in this mediation, that's perfectly OK. :-) If you have any questions or concerns relating to this dispute, the mediation, or the Mediation Cabal in general, please do let me know. Thank you very much. Best regards, NicholasTurnbull | (talk) 20:05, 30 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Head of Government

(This was posted on the List of Alpha Phi Alpha brothers discussion page before I made the change a second time)

In the case of countries that are part of the British commonwealth(Bermuda, Jamaica, etc.), the Queen of England (respresented by the Governor-General) is the "Head of State" and the Prime Minister or Premier is the "Head of Government". http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/5375.htm

In the case of the U.S. Virgin Islands, the "Head of State" (in capital letters) is George W. Bush. The governor of the U.S. Virgin Islands is simply a "governor" just like the governor of California, New York, or Florida.

The governor of the U.S. Virgin Islands is not a "Head of State".

If the U.S. Virgin Islands was an independent country, then you can call the governor the "Head of State".

If you want to say that the governor is the head of the "local" government, then that is fair game. But no governor in the U.S. is considered a "Head of State" or a "Head of Government".

Some encyclopedias refer to U.S. governors as "head of the government" in lower case letters. That simply means that they are the head of the local government. The only "Head of State"/"Head of Government" of ANY part of the United States is George W. Bush.

Please read this: http://www.britannica.com/nations/United%20States http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/5375.htm

But you didn't wait for consensus before reverting.

Verification of Ron Allen's status as a member of Alpha Phi Alpha

Thanks for making the corrections to my entry for Ron Allen. Ron currently works for NBC. He has worked at both ABC and CBS. Bro. Marc Morial, CEO of the National Urban League, can vouch for Ron. Marc and Ron were line brothers and crossed in April 1977 at Psi Chapter. aepowell.edublogs.org

Missing image

There was a a round logo that was used all over the 2006 convention it was like a stamp with a sphinx on it. I really like it because the words fit the fraternity so well. " A Century of Leadership and Service"

My questions are where did it come from and where did it go?

I know the image because I liked it, specifically the Sphinx in the center. I assume it was part of the national organization since I first saw it on its website, but I don't know what happened to it. I did see it on a chapter website, however; when I download the pic and viewed it through a photo editor, it was barely recognizable and unfit for use on wikipedia.

BTW-for future msgs, can you sign in with your user id so i'll know who I'm speaking with?--Ccson 02:51, 29 July 2007 (UTC)****[reply]

See Iota Lambda or National, 3rd logo on right--Ccson 13:58, 13 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

edits to the list of notable Alphas

I was just wondering if you knew why there have been so many edits to the list of notable Alphas? Thanks

The article is being worked on so it can be nominated as a Featured lists. This effort has required major copy edits to ensure all information is accurate and verifiable. You can review the References section of the article and see 150 footnotes, if you know what's involved in searching for these references, then adding them with accurarcy, you'll understand the number of edits and why it took many weeks and man-hours since I had no help. You'll also see that some references are references more 20-30 times, this means more man-hours and research.

In the future, please sign your edits to talk pages with four tildes ~~~~, this is the key to the left of the "1" key on your keyboard.--Ccson 14:31, 30 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

List of APA

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General Presidents of Alpha Phi Alpha at Centennial Memorial site, Cornell University in front of Barnes Hall.

The list of Alpha Phi Alpha brothers (commonly referred to as Alphas) includes initiated and honorary members of Alpha Phi Alpha (ΆΦΆ), the first inter-collegiate Greek-letter organization established for Black college students. Founded on December 4, 1906 at Cornell University in Ithaca, New York, Alpha Phi Alpha has continued to supply voice and vision to the struggle of African Americans and people of color around the world. The Fraternity has long stood at the forefront of the African-American community's fight for civil rights, through Alpha men such as Adam Clayton Powell Jr., Martin Luther King Jr., Thurgood Marshall, and Andrew Young.

Alpha Phi Alpha's membership includes at least two Heads of Government, three Governors, a Vice President, two Senators, a Supreme Court Justice, two Presidential candidates, Nobel Prize, Pulitzer Prize, Lenin Peace Prize, Kluge Prize and Croix de guerre laureates, and at least four Rhodes Scholars, seventeen Ambassadors, thirteen Presidential Medal of Freedom, three Congressional Gold Medal, and Seventeen Spingarn Medal recipients, and nine Olympians. Buildings, monuments, and schools have been named after Alpha men such as the Ernest N. Morial Convention Center, the Whitney Young Memorial Bridge, and the Baltimore-Washington International Thurgood Marshall Airport.

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FA Status for List of AΦA Brothers

Good work, job well done.-RoBoTam^ice 20:49, 12 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I guess we'll have a new General Presdent after the convention in Orlando this weekend. I'm hoping Skip Mason gets the nod from the fraternity.--Ccson 02:38, 13 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Alpha Kappa Alpha

Thanks for your help for improving the AKA article, but can you not copy the words per verbatim on the AKA website. This is kind of known as plagiarism. Whenever you cite something from a source, you can copy per verbatim as long as you enclose the words in quotes, (""), etc. Thanks. Miranda 17:22, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't copy the words verbatim, and please refrain from trolling my contributions. For example, I left a message for one user on his user page to change the background from crimson to cream on the Kappa list of polemarch template, within hours you had changed the letters to white color, and you would only know this if you were trolling my contributions or his user page. I added a table to AKA using 3 columns, you changed it to 2 columns, again within hours of my update. I added the African American template to the AKA page, once again, quickly reverted by you. If you want something "Construction" to do, try this.--Ccson 02:21, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This isn't considered trolling under trolling. Trolling is a "deliberate following around a user/harassing their working environment, etc." I am not doing that in this case. I have not touched the Alpha Phi Alpha page and the list page, recently (which, by the way, you did an excellent job on). First, there is no ownership of materials on Wikipedia. Second, most of the NPHC sorority/fraternity pages are on my watchlist. Third, I changed the color of the templates/columns because they would be easier to read on the page. Fourth, you are not the only one interested in NPHC sorority/fraternity life, so please quit thinking that there is some sort of "vendetta" in my contributions. Fifth, in real life and on Wikipedia, plagiarism is a serious offense, which if serious, can get users blocked. Thanks for the "contruction" suggestion; however, I am working on improving this page as seen by my sandbox. Thanks. Miranda 16:55, 27 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, if you're going to make changes to NPHC orgs, you should start at ground-zero and at least learn the Greek letters so you will know what groups are being named. I said nothing of the Alpha Phi Alpha page in my msg above, I said AKA Alpha Kappa Alpha, for which if you're working on improving I'm numb with disbelief that you can't recognize its greek letter counterparts. Second, I know the KAΨ (that's short for Kappa Alpha Psi) template titles were difficult to read, that's why I requested on Pop4any page that he change the colors so they would be easier to read, the only reason you changed the color on the kappa template is because you were trolling my contributions and saw my note to Pop4any that he should consider changing the color to cream; you changed to cream, but didn't like it so you changed to white. Third, you may NPHC orgs on you watchlist, however, I left the msg on Pop4any's talk page which you either trolled his or my contributions to notice my comment to him about the title being difficult to read, or you have his/my talk pages on your watchlist, which is trolling. Fourth, you're correct when you say there is no ownership which is why you don't own the article AKA, (that's an acronym for Alpha Kappa Alpha, not Alpha Phi Alpha) and why I don't understand why ever time I or someone makes a change, you are quick to make your own edits or post comments on that persons talk page. I added {{African American}} to AKA and you quickly reverted here saying it was irrelevant and left a note for me that you're weren't ready for it be on the page, You Don't Own The Page and therefore Can't Summarily Decide When Something is Irrelevant or When It Should be Added. ~~Fifth, how did you know I was updating the List of Alpha Phi Alpha brothers page? or that I had replied to your comment~~ Never mind question five, I know the answer. Finally, the only point I agree with you is your parenthesized comment about the excellent job I did on the Alpha Phi Alpha list, (I couldn't resist), and Thank You.--Ccson 13:51, 3 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

First, please assume good faith. I have all nine NPHC organizations on my watch list page. Second, I changed the colors of the text on the template, because blue on red is hard to read on the page. see this. Third, I know the difference between AKA and APhiA. Fourth, the moral of this story is, not to add copyrighted text to the website without permission from the copyright holder. Paraphrasing w/o using exact words is okay, but cite the source where you get your information from. Miranda 11:37, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I did assume good faith, however; you have a 100 percent track record of rewriting every change I have made to the AKA (Alpha Kappa Alpha) page. I did paraphrase and you are certainly welcome to post my final text and the text from the web site so all can see what your objection is about. I did provide the source, that's how you were able to lickety-split go and see what was entered. Plus it became evident you were trolling based upon your quick response to my note for Pop4any. I know the blue color was difficult to read: I made that assertion, My point is that you changed them because I asked user Pop4any on his talk page to do it since it was his original code. You could only have known of this request and my original idea that it was difficult to read if you were troling my contributions and/or his user page. Your watchlist for the nine NPHC orgs would not have alerted you to my msg on another user page. The moral of of this is learn your Alpha, Beta, Gammas. Please leave me alone.--Ccson 12:49, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

List of Notable Alphas

I would like to make more contributions to the list of notable Alphas. I have references, but am unsure how to create a reference on this site. Are there instructions available anywhere? Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Playboymixx06 (talk • contribs) 00:34, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

See {{cite web}}, {{cite news}}, {{cite book}} for 3 possible reference styles. I beleive these references will point others such as journal, newspaper, etc. You can also look at the code that has been entered for other APA names to see how it has been used, and/or if you supply the first reference, I can enter it so you can see how its done.

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I don't know if it's used by anything else than Wikipedia:Featured content/Lists. It's basically the exact opposite of <noinclude>: everything not in the tag will not be appear in transclusion. Circeus 16:37, 14 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Jena Six

I had reverted your edits on the Jena Six page because you didn't even pay attention to what you were changing. Using "ref name", more than one fact can be linked to a source. If you change the source and keep the ref name tag (as you did), then all the ones connected will instead go to the new source. I've updated the section with new sources, but please pay attention next time to what you're changing. Ophois 15:56, 25 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I see the mistake I made and I corrected it, however; since each time you've also reverted the text, it appears that your real intention was not in the citation, but in restoring the original text. Next time, since you seem to understand what's involved in citations, and if that's your true intention, simply change the ref name for one of the references so its not duplicated. That's a more simpler and better change than restoring to an out-of-date reference.--Ccson 16:18, 25 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]