User talk:GoodDay

Welcome!

Hello, GoodDay, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

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Hello to all fellow Wikipedians. Be assured I'll be as curtious as possible & hope to provide worthy answers to your questions (about wiki edits), I'm looking forward to meeting you. User:GoodDay 22:40, 17 November 2005 (UTC). PS- Usually from 16:00 AST to 20:00 AST), I'm signed in. Please be patient, as I'll eventually get to your questions. GoodDay 02:17, 7 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Adminship request

Dear goodday, As one of the users I come accross most frequently I would like to ask you to see if you would be willing to take the time to review some of my work and post your vote on my adminship request page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Camaeron). Thanks and keep up the good work! Cameaeron —Preceding unsigned comment added by Camaeron (talk • contribs) 14:24, 26 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Scotland

I have given a lengthy reply on the talk page. I'm afraid you may have to try and work around your "stickler'ness" on this one! I appreciate that some folks like everything to be neat, tidy and clean cut - but reality is often not like that, and as I detail on the comment I left, I have strong reasons for maintaining that the editors of just this article should decide what goes there. What the editors of the other articles wish to decide is up to them. On subjects with strong historical backgrounds the only thing consistent is that there is a lack of consistency! SFC9394 (talk) 22:21, 23 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Absolutely, and if the editors are coming from a disparate background then that is most welcomed - the problem here is that they are not, one look at the serial edit warier who started all this (for the umpteenth time), User:Malarious contribs will tell you that the editing is from an incredibly narrow view. The position also has to be taken that people need to be editing an article with an informed mindset. I interact with people from around the world often, and there are very many who don't even know that Scotland exists, presuming it to be some sort of region district of the UK with no significance or own history. One editor one vote is not how wikipedia works. SFC9394 (talk) 22:38, 23 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Castro

Though it might be a distinction without much of a difference what's meeting today is the Cuban parliament, not the Communist Party so there hasn't been any decision on who is the 1st secretary of the party. That might happen later or Fidel Castro may remain first secretary of the party for symbolic reasons. We don't know yet and shouldn't make assumptions until it's reported. Reggie Perrin (talk) 20:57, 24 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Pgsylv

Hi, I think you might want to comment here. nat.utoronto 22:44, 24 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

wales

Your question is pretty much answered in the Wales article, even at the beginning. Regards, Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 00:05, 25 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I gotta admire the way you jump into so many things with so much humility. I'd just say that all those articles on the "home nations" are prolly not gonna get very far ... maybe just a waste of your time ... but we all gotta try, right? You'll learn soon enough any of your ideas can get implemented. I don't like to waste time on such things these days, but that's just me! Regards, Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 23:05, 26 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It is among the more ... how shall we say ... unfocused of wikipedia's many discussions. I tried to focus it, but to no avail apparently. I still don't quite know what the various wikipedian's talking there want. I'm just gonna stay away. Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 23:18, 26 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Seeking info

I've blocked the user for 24 hours for violating the editing restriction. --MZMcBride (talk) 00:19, 25 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Quebec

I think we'll need more voices to reach a consensus; we should make up a list of options proposed, ask WP:Quebec, WP:Canada, and the Canadian discussion board to come over and give their opinions. Hopefully that will give us a clear consensus. --Arctic Gnome (talk • contribs) 22:28, 25 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

GoodDay, I know you are a good faith editor (no doubt in my mind, although we don't agree on a number of things), but I see now that you may not have realized how your suggestion could come across. I'm sorry if I overreacted. In any case, there are a number of options to avoid the deadlock: normal avenues of dispute resolution would suggest RfC first. I believe also that we need more editors to voice their opinion this time to achieve more than a fleeting consensus. If consensus does decide to forego mention of the nationhood issue in the lead, you do have my word that I will bow to the decision of the consensus; I also hope Soulscanner will do the same should the consensus go the other way. I do not mean for this to be an ongoing edit war or even a slow, recurring one, as it has been over the last months.--Ramdrake (talk) 23:38, 25 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The country of Scottish

What a storm I've created! I didn't mean to! I though the issue was fairly simple!... I'm monitoring the sitation on the talk page, but believe this will go to RfC or some form of mediation. I'm surprised however by the lack of sources brought from either side, most of it is just personal interpretation and (from the clear-cut nationalist side) a selective quote from a title of a book which doesn't state Scotland is a nation anyway. I've not seen anything strong from that camp, just, like you say, group-ownership, what I've called (and I'll get a slap on the wrist for this) the Scottish mafia. -- Jza84 · (talk) 21:09, 26 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What's most concerning is the scale of organsiation and tag-teaming here, coupled with highly (if not radically) politicised sensiblities. It is very problematic. There are some users with contribution histories which entirely comprise of the removal or downplaying of mentions of the UK and no (or very little) evidence of adding encyclopedic material to articles or writing according to neutral source material. I'm not prepared to accept Scotland is a nation any more, as it's not a proper encyclopedic, neutral or offical term. -- Jza84 · (talk) 21:21, 26 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's strange, if not madness; I don't believe there is a grudge to be held. Both England and Scotland (whom this issue seems to be about, rather than Wales or Northern Ireland) wanted the union, signed up for it, benefitted hugely from it, fought together as one, share a queen, an island, a currency, a language, a parliament and a common (though not single) culture and heritage. The Scottish Enlightenment could not and would not have happened without the union; it's leading figures sought to have a unitary state and identified as North Britons. Simillarly, the Stuart dynasty, of Scottish extraction and heads of the Clan Stewart, wanted a unitary Kingdom of Great Britain. Simon Schama remarked that Scotland's national identity and cultural psyche was created in response to Edward I of England's war against them, not as a natural evolution and union between its land a peoples. The Industrial Revolution was brought Scotland by Englishmen; The English Sewing Company was one of Scotland's leading textile firms. The Forth Bridge was designed by two Englishmen. Where is the mention of all this?... nowhere. Some nationalists question "what is the point of this union with England"? I usually ask back "what is the point of a unified Scotland"?

Sectarianism is clearly a driving force behind the issue, and is probably informing the various combatants cultural perpectives here on Wikipedia, which is most troubling. What makes me laugh is I saw a news report not too long ago asking about the union. When asked, one guy, a student and a Scotsman, said "I think Scotland is better off being in England". I think misunderstanding the union is also a problem outside of Wikipedia.

At any RfC which might appear in the future, I think WP:OWN would already be mentioned, but WP:COI is my main concern. -- Jza84 · (talk) 21:51, 26 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't actually have strong British sentiments, I just want a balanced approach. Much of my work is in response to what I've seen here. -- Jza84 · (talk) 21:51, 26 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

With all due respect Jza84 edits like this are not particualry balanced, you cannot go around accusing others of POV while showing signs of it yourself --Barryob (Contribs) (Talk) 22:44, 26 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Scotland did not stop being a country in 1707, please show me a source that makes Scotland ect a constituent country. --Barryob (Contribs) (Talk) 22:54, 26 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well if someone wanted to dispute that kindly point them to a source [1] that backs up your claim. --Barryob (Contribs) (Talk) 23:02, 26 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Have a look at the disscusion on the Scotland page regarding the use of the word constituent country talk:Scotland#Where's the beef? even news brodcasters use the term little [2] --Barryob (Contribs) (Talk) 23:10, 26 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

HI GD. I already made my contribution in favour of nation. This is not a bad discussion to be having at all. Hopefully it will help us understand better what a nation is. When we discuss nationalities, passions rise (as they ought to). My ancestors came from Scotland, and tho I have never been there, I believe strongly that Scotland is a nation conquered. I was so happy when Scotland was devolved. I'm hoping it will, in time, become a sovereign state in the European Community. Cheers.--Gazzster (talk) 07:19, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Consensus on Quebec page

Ramdrake and I have reached a consensus. Please offer your opinion. --soulscanner (talk) 16:32, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oppression

Hello GoodDay,
thanks for your reply on the UE page. I am sorry for you that you feel oppressed by the "pro-diacritics faction" and have stopped editing articles. Is it that bad? I mean, there are more important things in life that diacritics (even if some people might find that hard to believe). Jasy jatere (talk) 21:38, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (use English)

No, don't you ever give up. They do not have the numbers, they only have the dedication. 98% of all readers would crush their side, if they but knew that this was even being debated. But they don't know. However, as Wikipedia grows, more and more readers will become editors, and the prospects for change may grow better. And while policy may or may not ever change, the status quo allows us to debate on individual articles. And if you feel strongly about this, you must continue to do so, or it will only get worse. I am so encouraged by what happened at FJS; I waited two years for that to be moved, and it was. These battles can be won by courteous and intelligent editors like yourself, but only if we stick it out. Don't give up. Unschool (talk) 01:06, 28 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hockey

Don't let some editors break you, you've gotten through it before. Just because you disagree with some policies, doesn't mean you shouldn't continue to do the great work you've done. Trust me, I strongly dislike diacritics, but I accept them for the improvement of the ice hockey articles. If hockey was as popular as say baseball, maybe I wouldn't have to because there would be a wealth of editors to take my place...but it's not...so the couple editors that do edit them are (most of the time) the only ones that will. I hope you change your mind and continue to edit hockey articles, though it seems this was the final straw so it is doubtful that you will return. If you don't change your mind, then whatever project you decide to help from now on will get an extraordinary addition to their project when you join. I'm sorry that you've left the WP:HOCKEY, and I wish you luck. Bsroiaadn ^Talk 07:14, 28 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Leaving hockey, say it ain't so! I'm editing/splitting the Ottawa Senators, I expect some opposition! :-) Alaney2k (talk) 17:58, 28 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I am surprised that the diacritics would be enough to turn you away. As the game of hockey becomes ever more popular internationally, we will see only an increase. Alaney2k (talk) 18:42, 28 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

if you are leaving hockey I am sorry to see you go. I understand your concerns and am not an editor myself, but certainly your contributions were appriciated. I suppose everyone has a side, and i certianly understand the international spelling issues, i do believe the other side has some minimal ground to stand on. On one of my local teams, one of our Rams' linesmen got diacritic'ed eventually on his uniform. It seems that two seperate words existed and without the dots, his name turned into a vulgarity. I can see why he fought to be dotted :) oh well, even in regaurds to England we are a people seperated by a common language. Childhoodtrauma (talk) 21:25, 13 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Raul Castro

It's not, this is how all of the others I've seen do this Vladimir Putin, Thein Sein, Tufuga Efi. Therequiembellishere (talk) 19:35, 29 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What do you mean? Therequiembellishere (talk) 01:18, 1 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That was actually toward Dojarca. Therequiembellishere (talk) 18:23, 1 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Giano

Perhaps the simplest way of answering your question is to provide you with this link[3] and then this link. The second link will take you to the list of articles Giano has written, 15 of which have been on the Main Page. His most recent FA, Queluz National Palace, was written whilst in the thick of his bid for a seat on the Arbitration Committee last fall. He stopped editing Wikipedia earlier this month when the Arbitration Committee rendered what many think to be a rather unhelpful decision that directly affected Giano, and has also cost us another FA writer and admin, Bishonen, with another one fading ever so slowly away too. It would take you about 10 hours to read the arbcom case and, although it might be enlightening in some ways, on the whole it is just depressing and interminable - kind of like a Leafs season. There's also that box at the top of Giano's userpage that sort of summarizes things from his perspective. I rather doubt he'll be responding to you - I think he has made a grand total of one edit since the arbcom decision took effect, and that was to correct vandalism in an article he wrote. Don't take it personally - he isn't responding to the rest of us either. Best, Risker (talk) 00:04, 1 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Giano has had a number of high profile run ins with what passes for authority around here:

Which ultimately resulted in him being placed on a editing restriction for one year. That was not acceptable to Giano, so he left. He is variously seen as a campaigner against the oppressive forces of the Arbitration Committee and all things that are bad about Wikipedia (mainly admins), who finally paid the price for challenging those in power, or a troublesome influence who disrupted Wikipedia to make a point one too many times. The only thing about Giano that is not in dispute is his remarkable article writing skills (making Wikipedia one the world's finest resources on obscure palaces). Rockpocket 00:41, 1 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Now Rockpocket, I am sure Queen Elizabeth would take exception to your referring to her home as an obscure palace. Probably UNESCO would debate whether several of the homes Giano has written about are obscure too, since they're World Heritage Sites. Then there were articles on champion boxers and lesser known nobles. And Giano never had a thing against Admins, as a quick look at the visitors to his talk page would show. He had a problem with poor administrative decisions, like the one that left him blocked with an edit summary saying "hate speech" for being one of the first in the community to speak out against userboxen supporting paedophilia (the only block summary in the history of Wikipedia which has since been expunged, I will note, and an edit summary that was in part responsible for the administrator who blocked him being desysopped). But yes, Giano was not universally loved. Those who motivate communities seldom are. Risker (talk) 03:25, 2 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't mean it as a criticism, to imply that was the only benefit of Giano's contributions. Likewise, it is true that Giano doesn't have a problem with all admins, but it is nevertheless also true, that almost all of those people whom he does take issue with are of that group. Giano puts little value in the myriad of administrative tasks asked of sysops, in comparison with those who write content, particularly featured articles. Consequently, when sysops (particularly one who is not a prolific content writer) had the temerity to cross swords with Giano, drama ensued. Its also worth noting that it was rarely Giano's causes that drew condemnation, rather the manner in which he was prepared to pursue them. Whether that was justified or necessary is a matter of opinion. ArbCom opined, Giano left, some people mourn the loss and everyone else gets on with it. Rockpocket 21:28, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

So now you have had the pleasure, perhaps you can see why Giano elicits the reactions he often does. Don't take is personally, this is just his idea of a joke. Giano thrives on intellectual oneupmanship and verbal sparring. He has a coterie of friends (and a sock puppet or two) who joins in the fun. He means no harm (you can tell when he gets serious, as half the project appears to watch the fun and have their say), but if that sort of thing doesn't float your boat, then its probably best making an exit and leaving them to their japes. Rockpocket 20:16, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I haven't reviewed everything here (about Giano II). But, there seems to be a common thread. Giano's problems on Wikipedia? seems to be Giano's egotism. 19:46, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

presidential election galleries

When someone disagrees with me I stop and try my best to accomodate their postion. However I invite you to do the same, you expect me to go to 56 individual talk pages and ask the same question and possibly not get any reponses on many of them? Surely you can see that going to the WikiProject talk page: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject United States presidential elections to propose the change was the logical way to approach this. I explained this in the edit summary. I will provide a link from the talk page of this year's election to the WP discussion page, as I said having 56 individual discussions is not practical/necessary. Mark83 (talk) 21:33, 1 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There's no rush, I'm happy to wait for some more opinions. And I meant to say, you're right - I did miss the other party candidate images. They obviously should all either have a pic or none. Mark83 (talk) 22:44, 1 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

hello again

Sure was a long time between edit wars. I invite you to check out WP:WQA for what I added and throw in your two cents if you want. Grsz11 (talk) 02:43, 2 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

diacritics

I gave up a long time ago. Putting diacritics in article titles and in articles goes against the most common usage in English and it goes against common sense -- in English of course. I found it was impossible to reason with "them". no matter how many references you point to, "they" refuse to budge and see that diacritics are rarely used in English. Anyways, i gave up a long time ago. I gave up after I was blocked for reverting back to the original article titles (without diacritcs). some guy was going and changing all the articles to the diacritic form without discussion. I was reverting them all back to their original state and trying to talk to the guy about it and i was blocked for vandalism. that is when i said enough was enough and gave up. I still edit occasionally and still have a few pages on my watch list, but i am by no means a regular contributor anymore. this is not English wikipedia, it is international wikipedia and they should offically change it to that. Masterhatch (talk) 04:16, 2 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Another daft list

Check out List of Australian monarchs.--Gazzster (talk) 15:28, 2 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

Thanks for informing me about the discussion. Looks like its the usual bunch of monarchists again! --Camaeron (talk) 18:09, 2 March 2008 (UTC) Wow, I certainly thought you were.. I stand corrected...--Camaeron (talk) 18:51, 2 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Gidday

The whole Commonwealth realm thing is basically a Wikipedia invention. True, the concept is used outside this mighty kingdom, but not much and it certainly doesn't enjoy the status it does here. And I think a small group of editors are responsible. It worries me that all the major google results for 'Commonwealth realm' come from here. And it is driven by monarchism. I've nothing against anyone being a monarchist, but when it is an engine churning out this sea of articles- jeez! I ask you, 'List of monarchs of Australia'. Duh! Doesn't take a genius to work out they're all British! Do people go around saying, 'gee, theres a coincidence. We've got an Elizabeth II, and guess what! The Brits happen to have a Queen called Elizabeth II too!'. Oh dear, lol.--Gazzster (talk) 18:48, 2 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

LOL. Though having one commonwealth realm indepentant of the political borders would simplify matter a lot. Here on wiki and elsewhere..--Camaeron (talk) 18:52, 2 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What a delightful suggestion!--Gazzster (talk) 18:57, 2 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yay! Back to the days of Empire it is, then! Won't Thark be happy! --G2bambino (talk) 18:58, 2 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No I'm not quite that radical, but it would simplify a lot, and I mean A LOT, of problems. And what with Scotland etc. wanting to be independent the Queen is going to have even more titles. The Queen ought to just be called Queen of the Commonwealth as she isnt political anyway. The political states can all stay as they are..independent from each other except having the same monarch! --Camaeron (talk) 19:12, 2 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's difficult to resolve this topic. Unless somebody can instantly create 15 clones of 'Elizabeth II' for each realm (without telling anyone, who's the original 'Lilibet'). GoodDay (talk) 19:16, 2 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That's strange! Filtering out the various sites that have the separate words ' Commonwealth' and 'realm', Google search on exact phrase 'Commonwelath realm' without 'wikipedia.org' gives 12,300 hits (including www.royal.gov.uk http://www.royal.gov.uk/OutPut/Page4422.asp) while exact phrase 'Commonwealth realm' with 'wikipedia.org gives 16,000 hits – so the expression is emphatically not a wiki invention. Bill Reid | Talk 19:20, 2 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ireland

Hi, GoodDay. The Irish Republic ceased to exist in 1922. As can be seen here, the state of Ireland is named just that - Ireland - in the current Constitution, and may be described as the Republic of Ireland, following the eneacment of the Republic of Ireland Act. It is nothing to do with "control of the whole island" - in fact, the citizenship of the Republic of Ireland voted overwhelmingly to renounce the territorial claim over the whole island in a referendum which amended Articles 2 and 3 of the Constitution. You can read more about that in the second link above. Regards, Bastun^{BaStun not BaTsun} 22:51, 2 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nomination

As one of the users I come accross most frequently I would like to ask your permission to nominate you for adminship! Your work is always of good quality, your unbiased attitude is extraordinary and your opinions are always objective and well sourced! --Camaeron (talk) 20:11, 3 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Your work against You-Know-Who's is excellent, GoodDay. Adminship would sure help out. On a side note, feel free to let me know if you need some help with an edit war or discussion...always glad to help. Grsz11 (talk) 20:17, 3 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You know who??? The questions arent that bad. Besides you have thousands of edits, thats bound to help! Have a look at them at WP:RFA. Im going to run for adminship myself in a few days. If I make it you definately will. You have thousands more edits than me! --Camaeron (talk) 17:33, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You oughtn't support me if you wouldn't support yourself. You are far more experienced on wikipedia than I am! Im certain you'd be a brilliant admin! --Camaeron (talk) 17:41, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If youre sure. But you really oughn't if you would run for adminship yourself. One rule fits all...--Camaeron (talk) 18:58, 4 March 2008 (UTC) Thanks btw![reply]

You may not think so but many people do! --Camaeron (talk) 19:18, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Would you pull out if I nominated you with out your consent? --Camaeron (talk) 17:55, 6 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Diacritics

Why do you oppose them? If you spell a name without the diacritics where they're supposed to be, its misspelled, simple as that, and there are several English words that use them! I wouldn't go on the Spanish Wikipedia and change all occurrences of Ryan Smyth's name just because "th" doesn't exist in Spanish. The Dominator (talk) 23:19, 3 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Tell that to the NHL, see here and here. Grsz11 (talk) 01:35, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

the issue is NOT whether English uses diacritics or not. Some words and even names in English are commonly found with diacritics in every day print. The issue is when words and names don't commonly use diacritics yet are given diacritics on Wikipedia. Wikipedia is clear when it says use the most common spelling in English. Well, if a word or name most commonly uses diacritics in English print, then wikipedia should follow. And vise versa, too. If the most common spelling in English does not use diacritics, then wikipedia should follow that. That, ladies and gentlemen, is the issue here. I can't speak for anyone else, but i don't want to see diacritics (and the like) eliminated from wikipedia, i just want to see them used properly, as in the way English naturally uses them. Masterhatch (talk) 19:41, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sure most will agree, the article Lubomir Visnovsky (see page, for how it's spelt) is simply diacritics overkill.

I don't care what the NHL says, they omit diacritics and are wrong. What is so hard to understand, it's like if I went on the Czech Wikipedia and said that Mario Lemieux is actually Mário Lemjů since that is how it is pronounced in Czech. I would be wrong of course. And diacritics overkill??? Yeah, that's because his name has diacritics, that's like saying that the Sidney Crosby article has the word "Crosby" in it too much. The Dominator (talk) 14:38, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's not simple as the NHL 'spells it wrong', it is the common spelling in English. I do not see Visnovsky spelled differently in the english media. Alaney2k (talk) 14:46, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have read a lot of newspapers, magazines, and books on hockey in my time. And i can say that easily 99% of them drop diacritics (and the like). In fact, in all the reading i have ever done, the only diacritics that i have seen added in English print are with french names, and even that is rare. It isn't just the NHL that doesn't use them, it is 99% of the English speaking world. And yes, overkill is the right word for what is happening on wikipedia. Wikipedia is not a trend setter and is not the place to try and change the English language. Wikipedia is a follower, hence the "no original research" policy. Masterhatch (talk) 18:27, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's as simple as that, all English sources dropped diacritics for convenience sake and all others followed. Western media mispronounce the names very often, that doesn't make it a common usage, just Yanks not being able to pronounce names properly. The Dominator (talk) 01:59, 6 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's your POV that the diacritics were dropped for "convenience sake" in the English language. I do not claim to know the reasons they were dropped (if they were ever there in the first place), but i do know that i don't think modern English has ever used them regularly. Dropping diacritics is not an Internet or recent thing. It has been like that for hundreds of years. As for the way we pronounce names, well English pronounces things the way we do and other languages do the same. George Bush is pronounced "jo ji bu shi" in Korean. So, are the koreans wrong for the way they pronounce bush's name? It may sound strange to the English ear, but that is the way it is normal in korean. English has it's ways and other languages have theirs. Oh, one more thing, it is not just the "Yanks", it is all of the native English speaking world. And i am not a Yank, but the way. Masterhatch (talk) 06:31, 6 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I wasn't talking about local accents, I mean actual mispronunciations, I can speak with an American (well Canadian) accent just fine and pronounce them more correct than English speakers. The Dominator (talk) 15:17, 6 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'll respond on Elrith's page as it seems pointless to keep the discussion in three different places. The Dominator (talk) 01:32, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

My RfA

File:David,larry.JPG		My RFA
		Thank you muchly for your support in my recent request for adminship, which was successfully closed on 76%, finishing at 73 supports, 23 opposes and 1 neutral. The supports were wonderful, and I will keep in mind the points made in the useful opposes and try to suppress the Larry David in me! Now I'm off to issue some cool down blocks, just to get my money's worth! Kidding btw. All the best, Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 11:19, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

history on diacritics on wikipedia

I have been editing here long enough to have seen wikipedia go through many, many changes. When I first started here, very few articles used diacritics. And I am not just talking about hockey. Then something strange happened. All of a sudden, thousands of articles were moved all over wikipedia without discussion or consensus or any of that crap. I tried moving a few of them back and sh*t hit the fan. There has been a war ever since. The pro diacritic people mass moved virtually every article on wikipedia without discussion and then claim that since most articles already use diacritics, then that is the way it should be. Well, if they actually looked at the history, they would see that virtually all articles started out without diacritics. it was an underhanded tactic, but it worked for them. They also keep blasting NHL websites saying that they are "lazy" or whatever for not using diacritics. Well, what about English hockey textbooks? magazines? newspapers? hockey fact books? the NHL itself? Are they all lazy? I think not. they are just following the most common spelling in English. Websites aside, English still rarely uses diacritics. Masterhatch (talk) 18:52, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Irish Republic

This is BBC talk! Eog1916 (talk) 22:37, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The BBC uses the term 'Irish Republic' frequently in its broadcasts, instead of the term 'Republic of Ireland'. Why this should be the case I will leave for others to judge!

Eog1916 (talk) 22:50, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

4047

I answered on my talk page. --Subver (talk) 18:50, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ron Paul

Ron Paul hasn't withdrawn, just thought I'd let you know. —Preceding unsigned comment added by War wizard90 (talk • contribs) 16:09, 8 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You probably did, the mass media has largely ignored him, wouldn't surprise me if they said he dropped out. He has phased back his campaign and and does not expect to win, just to continue spreading his message. War wizard90 (talk) 16:19, 8 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wikimedia Canada

I noticed your involvement in the Canadian Wikiproject and thought you might want to get involved with Wikimedia Canada. We're working together to establish a charity presence in Canada. We meet every two weeks generally on IRC (in text) and TeamSpeak (Voice). Our next meeting is on March 20th 2008 at 20:00 EST. Alan.ca (talk) 20:58, 9 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Any particular reason why you have no interest? Alan.ca (talk) 21:09, 9 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ireland - country vs. state

Because of the tension between what is meant by "state" and "country" when it comes to Ireland. What is referred to by the "state" called Ireland is quite clear, but when people talk about the "country" called Ireland they could mean two things: the state or the island. For example, select the "country" called Ireland from this list and you will be told about Belfast.

I use the convention of using "state" to refer to the 26 counties and "country" to refer to the 32 counties, though it's not a hard and fast rule. --sony-youth^pléigh 23:15, 9 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi There

You don't know me but i hope in the future we will become good friends

Adrian Fletcher (talk) has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Cheers, and Happy editing!
Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

by the way there is this guy, you have had dealings with him in the past who has what i personally interpret as a racist image on his page please delete it as it is wrong.Adrian Fletcher (talk) 10:35, 13 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

bye,bye

And just because he interprets something as racist, that must mean that it is, right? Anyway, he's been blocked indefinitely now. TharkunColl (talk) 11:52, 13 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

(B)I

Apologies, I was being tongue-in-cheek (sarcasm and irony begin again north of the 49th parallel, right?). Yes, some recent contributors to that page haven't warmed me either. This isn't a "gang" or a "club house", whatever Bardcoms opinion of you, it's irrelevant.

Lastly, n my opinion, no-one is apolitical and the best thing that anyone can bring to the table is their POV. --sony-youth^pléigh 16:44, 13 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, that's a bit personal. But for the record, I think very well of you, and can honestly say I have never had negative thoughts about you. I enjoy your contributions, and you make good points and bad points, same as me I suppose. I did use the word troll in reference to your bringing up the Irish Sea point over and over (what, 8, 9 times), and IMHO the point had been replied to several times. Bardcom (talk) 21:03, 14 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

moved from bardcom talk pageClarify please; what's personal? GoodDay (talk) 21:05, 14 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, not you or any of your comments; Sony's comment above reads as if my opinion of you is negative, and irrelevant. Bardcom (talk) 21:10, 14 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmmm - I've just looked at Sony's Talk page and I now understand the context of his replies, and they make sense in so far as you said on his talk page that you feel my behaviour towards you is bullying. For the record, I apologize and I would hate to bully anyone away from this discussion. I've explained the trolling comment above. I say again, I enjoy your contributions. Bardcom (talk) 21:14, 14 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Two questions

These questions arent really wikipedia related but Ive been meaning to ask you them for a while: Firstly: Why do you patrol and take an active interest in Monarchy and royal related subjects if you are a Republican? Why do you dislike The Queen? --Camaeron (talk) 16:39, 14 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Good answers. I hate it when people state they hate the Queen because they hate the monarchy. The two aren't synonyms after all. But after all most families have are guilty of blood shed. I can say that personally. And the ironic thing about my family is, as we are spread throughout England, Scotland, Germany, France and Russia, some of my ancestors fought against each other. I must commend you for you NPOV it really is "top knotch"!

New York

Why is it I meet you everywhere? Not that it's a bad thing ; P...--Camaeron (talk) 19:44, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

New York edit, governor question

I would had assumed that the way it was set up (with the outgoing and ingoing) was approiate. I can safely assume, for future reference, that doing that would not be permissible? Whammies Were Here 21:10, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I understand the outright switch (which I had edited a few times myself, where they had Paterson already in, and no mention of Spitzer as outgoing, like it was), but I was talking about the one you had recently switched around. I just want to be sure the setup as it was (with the outgoing and incoming listed at the same time) was not permitted, thats all. Whammies Were Here 21:31, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, that makes sense then, thanks :) Whammies Were Here 21:46, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Article for deletion: list of countries by formation dates

You may wish to comment here...--Camaeron (talk) 18:10, 17 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A&E

Well yes, in those days the pools of male actors was basically those 2! I mean, Heston as Moses! Btw, if you slow down the (uncredited) voice of God in The Ten Commandments, it's Heston's.--Gazzster (talk) 22:33, 17 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Governor of Arkansas

I have made no comments on articles regarding the governors of Arkansas or Massachussets. In fact I have not commented on anyone but the NY Governors. I am not familiar with the laws in any other states regarding succession. I'm not sure why you would want me to comment on those articles.EMT1871 (talk) 22:54, 17 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

RE: "British" Isles

Hi GoodDay, no, not really grouchy. I am probably as bad. Not really the best idea to get involved in a subject that instills so much passion, remaining neutral is impossible regardless of whatever guidelines wiki would suggest. But it is because of the passion that I bother to get involved in the first place, so cannot really win. I will however try to keep my emotions in check and will try and contribute to this debate in the right way. But I never do anything half hearted, If I get myself involved in this it is because I know I am right and therefore the only aim I have is to remove Ireland from the British Isles and will not stop until that happens! But I do not want this to get personal, so will try to remain civil at all times. Thanks Murphy71 (talk) 01:50, 18 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If you wish to remove Ireland from the British Isles, you'll need some pretty major earth-moving equipment I think! But seriously, it's probably better to keep the impassioned pleas and appeals to emotion to a minimum, as the English are unmoved and indeed embarrassed by all such displays. Haven't you heard that we're all a bunch of emotionless Vulcans? TharkunColl (talk) 17:20, 18 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

To everyone, live long and prosper.

Hi GoodDay, I have tried to make it clear what I would prefer, A - the title of the article to be changed, or if not possible (and certainly looks that way) then B - Ireland to be removed from the article (of course Ireland can remain in a historical context but not as a current member of the British Isles.

Thaukun, It actually is time the British started to be moved by some of this stuff. Many, many of the problems in the world today all have their roots in the British Empire. Murphy71 (talk) 21:39, 18 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, that won't work. Appeal to pity is simply not the best way to do it, if you're arguing with the English. They take it as a sign of weakness. TharkunColl (talk) 00:15, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

List of Australian monarchs nominated for deletion

Just thought you might be interested! --Camaeron (talk) 17:16, 18 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Arkansas Governors

Gubernatorial succession in Arkansas is governed by its State laws and State constitution. My changes to the Bruno article are based on the New York State Constitution. It's certainly permissible for gubernatorial succession in Arkansas to function differently from how it functions in New York. --SMP0328. (talk) 17:40, 18 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Would you like me to look up the applicable Arkansas State constitutional provisions? --SMP0328. (talk) 17:44, 18 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Here's a link to Article 6, Section 5 (as amended) of the Arkansas State constitution.[4] It's similar to what is required by the New York State constitution. --SMP0328. (talk) 17:54, 18 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It appears that the Arkansas Constitution makes the Lt. Gov. Acting Governor when the Governor fails to finish his term, but says that the Acting Governor serves "for the residue of the term." This means that the Lt. Gov. becomes the de facto Governor. So technically those men were Acting Governors, but in reality they were Governors. The word "Acting" should only be used when (1) the powers of an office, but not the office, are bestowed upon a person, and (2) that person is not supposed to serve for the remainder of the term of that office. For example, the two occasions that Dick Cheney was Acting President he was not President, because he did not occupy the office of President and did not have the authority to possess the Presidential powers for the remainder of the current Presidential term. --SMP0328. (talk) 18:36, 18 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I can't speak to the terminology used in Arkansas. All I know is that, in Arkansas when a Governor can't finish his term, a Lieutenant Governor becomes Acting Governor, but is really simply the Governor, because he is to finish his predecessor's term. --SMP0328. (talk) 19:37, 18 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I recommend that you look up the Arkansas Supreme Court decision in Bryant v. English, 311 Ark. 187 (1992), which dealt with gubernatorial succession. --SMP0328. (talk) 18:18, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I couldn't either. The Arkansas Supreme Court's on-line records don't go back that far. --SMP0328. (talk) 18:40, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Your opinion

Please give me your opinion on this User:Camaeron/Sandbox. I dont think it should be as controversial as my other "lists" as it is only an improvement on a horrible old list. And it wont get any longer as it merges with British monarchs at the end. Thanks --Camaeron (talk) 15:42, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Of course you are right. I have changed it accordingly. Thanks = ) --Camaeron (talk) 16:10, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have been bold ; P...--Camaeron (talk) 18:06, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

vandalism by 216.109.9.62

I notice that you reverted an edit or 2 by this person and got them blocked. Did you look at their list of contributions? A constant pattern of vandalism from 2006 onwards. That can't just be one person, can it? No one is that persistent with manual vandalism . And if it is more than one person, then it seems pretty unlikely to me that that IP has been passed down from person to person, all of whom just so happened to be wiki-vandals. Could it be the IP of a school or something? That seems most likely to me. I've noticed that a few other IPs say something like "This is the IP of YYYYY school in ZZZZZ". How does one go about discovering that kind of thing? A quick search didn't turn up much, except that one person posted from that IP on a forum talking about being their school's "majorette" whatever that is. Gopher65_talk 20:03, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Special Barnstar

		The Special Barnstar
		Camaeron doth hereby award thee "The Special Barnstar" for thine exceptional editing, vandalism reverting and always maintaining a neutral point of view. Keep up the good work! --Camaeron (t/c) 21:15, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Lol, sorry about that...It just feels so ceremonious. No doubt, as a Republican, you would turn down a knighthood? --Camaeron (t/c) 21:22, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It was a serious question. Would you really turn one down? And all the prestige that goes with it...--Camaeron (t/c) 21:25, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

My turn to giggle* I meant the knighthood... --Camaeron (t/c) 21:27, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I can't believe you Republicans...didn't you dream of being a knight when you were small? What's wrong with you people *meant as a joke* ; P --Camaeron (t/c) 21:32, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Rfa

You know, as a brilliant "maintainer of NPOV" you ought to become a regular contributer to WP:RFA. I do, it's great fun! --Camaeron (t/c) 22:11, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Exactly it's simpler than it looks. Any we really need regular contributers there... --Camaeron (t/c) 22:20, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Doesnt matter, youre just a positive thinker. There is this one guy called Kurt and he only ever opposes. Think of yourself as a kind of "counter-kurt" ; ).. --Camaeron (t/c) 22:31, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Portal

Hey GD, ever thought of opening up a portal? I am considering doing so. You co-found it with me! Note the absence of Portal:Monarchy, portal:royalty and portal:commonwealth_royalty. What do you think? Should I write a few messages to the regulars? = ) --Camaeron (t/c) 16:54, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi There

I think comment on talk pages from non-editors is permissible. I used to edit a lot, maybe 10,000 edits, and was here in 2002. You'll know me by my number. I have since lost my password. 78.19.145.136 (talk) 17:57, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fine, I'll think about it this evening. Neverless, I don't believe it's my agenda to believe in some points or other, than it is your agenda to believe in some points or other. I don't want to get sucked into editing on Wikipedia again, as it can get a bit addictive, and take over a persons leisure time, and maybe lose contact with the real world,. Thanks for the offer. 78.19.145.136 (talk) 18:07, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]