User talk:Pandacomics

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Calling someone gay is not defamatory. Only homophobic people think it's defamatory. It's a well-known fact that Wang Lee Hom is gay. Apparently, some people don't approve of the gay community.

Taiwan is INDEPENDANT and is not associated with the ROC. Are you racist?

(user's note: I actually didn't write the above statement. This was left by IP user 218.254.252.143.)

My stance on Taiwan: the post-WWII treaties state that the Island of Taiwan would be returned to the Republic of China, which, at the time, was China Proper (i.e. the big China). Then the Communists won, and they became China Proper. The land given to the Republic of China would have remained with the Communists if they kept the name "Republic of China," but instead, they became the "People's Republic of China." As we know, the text in the Potsdam, etc. treaties remain unrevised, and still say that Japan would have to return land to the Republic of China. -Pandacomics 00:19, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Note how I didn't mention the word "independent" or the phrase "Taiwan belongs to China"

Although Taiwan has their own government elected by their own people, passport, flag, envious educational system, etc. BUT there are only 24 nations in this world recognize Taiwan as a country - the nations doesn't include superpowers like US or the UK. Where are the rest? I have to say that I support the reunification of One China EricOng 09:46, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Yeah... I don't like at all the fact that the PRC and Taiwan are split. Some Taiwanese people are ridiculously rejecting the fact that they do not have Chinese origins, and would rather have Japanese heritage other than Chinese. The Simplified and Traditional Chinese thing is something I would not quit on because unification is my goal. I really do hope some day The People's Republic of China and the Republic of China would be combined into one. You don't get it? You don't have to. ReGoG Now 23:11 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Disagreeing with your political views does not make someone a racist. BuyAMountain 00:05, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

I apologize for my own misunderstanding. I should have read your page more carefully. BuyAMountain 00:33, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Misunderstanding

I didn't write that statement. It was someone that written it and didn't signed it. I was on the same stand as you. EricOng 12:32, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

5566

I'll try my best on the albums. However, I'd appreciate it if you could help me on the images. Ytlow 09:59, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

S.H.E

alrighty. mirageinred 05:21, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Hey, thanks for all the effort for the S.H.E article. EricOng 09:46, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for your help on Political status of Taiwan. Keep up the good work! --Ideogram 00:22, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Zhu Da

I do not really have a clear picture of it, but according to what I have observed, here are my two cents worth. If you have observed properly, all track 1 in every single S.H.E album is considered as their zhu da. In the contrary, Jay Chou has Qian Li Zhi Wai (track 3) as his Still Fantasy zhu da. To my explanation, a song that will be normally considered as a hit or a song that represents the album that will be played frequently in music stores/widely recognized. For example, Bu Xiang Zhang Da and Super Star which are widely populated. Bo Si Mao IS a zhu da too for their 6th album considering that I do not really like that song.

Basically, there are always "di er zhu da ge" which means second zhu da. Ring Ring Ring, Beauty Up My Life are widely accepted as their second zhu da ge. If you had observed properly, you would normally find track 2 of their songs in an album a second zhu da ge. As for their second album, Youth Society, Re Dai Yu Lin is widely recognized partly because it was composed by Jay Chou? In addition, Wo Ai Ni in their Encore album could be possibly considered as their second zhu da for Encore. Perhaps you can add me in MSN. EricOng 07:59, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Vandals

They're hopelessly outnumbered. :) - Denny 06:08, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Notability of I.n.g

A tag has been placed on I.n.g, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done because the article seems to be about a person, group of people, band, club, company, or web content, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is notable, that is, why an article about that subject should be included in Wikipedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not assert notability may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable, and if you can indicate why the subject of this article is notable, you may contest the tagging. To do this, add {{hangon}} on the top of the page (below the existing db tag) and leave a note on the article's talk page explaining your position. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would confirm its subject's notability under the guidelines.

For guidelines on specific types of articles, you may want to check out our criteria for biographies, for web sites, for bands, or for companies. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. — ERcheck (talk) 21:00, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Article about Kurów on Mandarin language

Could you please write a stub about Kurów here - just a few sentences based on http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%BA%93%E9%B2%81%E5%A4%AB%E5%B8%82 or EN wiki ? Only 3-5 sentences enough. Please.

PS. Article about Kurów is already on 155 languages. If you do that, please put interwiki link into English version. If your village/town/city hasn't on PL wiki, I can do article about it. Pietras1988 ^TALK 18:14, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Can't you just copy and paste from the lead section on the zh wiki? - Pandacomics 01:06, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

S.H.E article

Hi. Sorry about this little...battle, I guess you could say, we've been having over the S.H.E article. I understand your view on the matter, about having to present both sides, good and bad, about a group. It's just when I came on just a few minutes ago and I saw that part about them in decline, I sort of, well...panicked. I can't help it, I love them so much! I don't want them to be in decline, it freaks me out. But when I re-read what you had added and thought about it, it makes sense. And hey, just because they're having a rough time lately doesn't mean they won't snap back with album #10, right? I've only been a fan for about a month (a friend I have who moved here from Xi'An in China told me about them), so forgive me if I'm not as informed as you. Is reconciliation at all possible? I really don't want to be fighting with one of the few other people I've found who worships S.H.E as much as I do. LuvElla4eva 01:47, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Re. to S.H.E. Japanese Claim

Certainly. I will try to find the article backing my editing and provide you the link for it ASAP. Sky Divine 22:46, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

--My apologies, Pandacomics. After researching, I have found from www.wenxuecity.com (A popular site for oversea Chinese people) that S.H.E. actually later did not make that remark. They were once accused of claiming they are not Chinese but Taiwanese on a Japanese TV show. S.H.E. later denied it themselves and gave reasonable evidence to back themselves up. The link to a more depth of the whole incident can be found [here]. Sorry for the confusion. As you might notice from the article, S.H.E. actually supports Chinese reunification and voted for KMT during the elections, signifying their allegiance to the Pan-Blue. If you don't mind, I would like to find a place to add that information onto the S.H.E. page. Sky Divine 23:50, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

--They sang at a KMT rally? That I do not know. If you find the article, please send it to me; thanks :D. However, I know that they support the KMT because when Ella was injured, former Taipei Mayor Ma Ying-jiu visited her at the hospital. That's a strong evidence of their support. Plus, there are other evidences out there as well.Sky Divine 19:19, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

S.H.E.

A bit tricky, but will review. A-class articles are expected to largely meet the featured article criterias, so I recommend you to submit the article to featured article review instead and see what needs to be fixed. AQu01rius (User • Talk) 03:06, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

I have brought it up to WP:FAR (hope you don't mind) and added a initial comment of mine. I will take a further look into this article later. I am Taiwanese also, so I might be able to identify if any information is missing. AQu01rius (User • Talk) 17:36, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Shit I messed up. WP:FAR is only for featured articles. I admit I didn't know that. I think I'll just nominate the article for featured status, which will get the article significant amount of reviews. [edit] Never mind, the person corrected everything for me. AQu01rius (User • Talk) 23:23, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

I don't think there's a way to view it. What I do is copy and paste the page text onto a New Text Document. AQu01rius (User • Talk) 02:55, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Sorry for the belated response. Unfortunetely I'm probably not the best person to ask about pop culture subjects. You could probably fit what I know about S.H.E. on a postage stamp. -Loren 04:10, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Note

Wow, congratulations on going this far with S.H.E.; already in FAC?! Best of luck. But just a note: have you heard about {{cite web}}? I think it's a cleaner way to present all the references, but since you have so many it might not be worth it to start conversion. Also, I'd suggest writing out in plain English "All references are Chinese unless otherwise indicated" since basically, all references are Chinese! (except those couple) ALTON .ıl 04:59, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

S.H.E origin

Hey Pandacomics. Remember how S.H.E denied the fact that they were Taiwanese after the whole big controversy of them claiming themselves as Taiwanese at an interview? Well, because they actually denied it, shouldn't the be a "Chinese" band instead of "Taiwanese", because they even claimed themselves as Chinese? Just asking to see what you're opinion is on this. Sky Divine 13:05, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Notes

Yeah, it's depressing to remember those annoying things about Wiki, like users. But then you remember cool people like yourself and it brightens a little. After S.H.E gets FA what're you going to work on next? ALTON .ıl 06:35, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

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Is it important that HYSNSN be at ...Nü? Technically the pinyin ü is used in this case. ALTON .ıl 04:36, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

No one with a rational mind would look up the 21-letter title of the article in the first place, really. I'd choose either the umlaut or an English title, of which I think there is none. Did The Return of the Condor Heroes ever come out in English officially? For example, that article uses an English name. ALTON .ıl 08:17, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

That's just the romaji for 花ざかりの君たちへ, but it's probably the closest it'll be to English, huh? ALTON .ıl 19:42, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Ok, there don't seem to be any d.redirects, so that's all. Hanazakarino Kimitachihe. ALTON .ıl 19:52, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

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Regarding this edit by another user, which would be more appropriate, "ROC" or "Taiwan"?

Based on his talk page, this particular user also seems to be very involved in controversial Taiwan/ROC/PROC/China/Mainland articles. ALTON .ıl 03:56, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Jay Chou

Uhm, haha, thanks! I was just trying to encourage citing credible sources instead of simply adding hearsay, guess it works either way. LG-犬夜叉 07:33, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Hey! I'm going on holidays for the next 3 weeks, leaving in about 12 hours. Jay Chou has been strangely and thankfully quiet of vandalism lately, but still can I ask you to do some casual babysitting for the article? I don't think anything special will need to be done, just vandal reverts probably. It feels weird to be asking you (or anyone else) actually, since it doesn't really belong to anyone, nor is it anyone's responsibility; but I figured I should ask someone I trust just in case. I sleep a little better for these 3 weeks knowing that the article isn't going to be trashed. Thanks! SeleneFN 07:57, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Hey I'm back and thanks for watching Jay Chou! I see that you've started the C-pop workgroup and have already put a lot of effort in it! Sorry again I cannot be of much help in this momentous project because I'm never very sure about how much time I can spend, but I really look forward to seeing the C-pop workgroup grow! Great start! SeleneFN 12:55, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

S.H.E and KMT

Because Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, I believe there is nothing wrong with inserting politics here and there about S.H.E's support for KMT and eventual Chinese reunification that you have removed a few weeks ago when I tried to put that up there. It's an encyclopedia, so our goal is to put as much information into it as possible. We should not remove some things while leaving others. For example, if S.H.E was involved with drugs and were arrested, wouldn't that be in the article? If so, why shouldn't some politics be? It would just make the article even better. What is your stance on this? Thanks dude. Sky Divine 20:40, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Response to message on User talk:SeleneFN

Perhaps I am entirely clueless, but honestly I never realized there was a competition between the S.H.E. and Jay Chou article, nor have I ever felt you were being "selfish" with the Jay Chou article, or sensed even the slightest bit of hostility between us. I certainly hope there isn't! I have read your User Page before so I am aware of your mammoth-sized effort on the S.H.E. article. I also know you were (sort of) "nominated" for FA status indirectly. I was happy that a Chinese pop culture-related article was finally on-the-way to making itself a small spotlight in Wikipedia which claims itself to have a global and infinite knowledge base.

I know very little about S.H.E. beyond what is on Wikipedia. Outside of Wikipedia, I at least know there are few resources on this group beyond a description of events (I mean as opposed to editorials or analysis). For this reason, I truly believe the S.H.E. article is many-fold harder to write than Jay Chou; in this respect, you have "won" over the Jay Chou article long ago already, that is if you must force a comparison between them. Personally I don't believe this type of comparison is necessary or healthy, because the only similarity between the S.H.E. and Jay Chou article is a superficial one, that is they are Chinese pop artists.

Thank you for your honesty regarding the Jay Chou article. I wasn't aware that you were being selfish. I think lots of people keep a silent watch on that article (due to his fame) and many helped, including yourself. Although it would be fair to say that I recently contributed a share of my time to it, I have never considered it "mine." In a few weeks time when I will only play a maintance role on the Jay Chou article, no one will remember or care about who contributed to or nominated the article for FA. I worked on it only because I believe there should be a reasonably comprehensive article on him, with the FA status to match his talents, so that English-speaking audiences will at least have this to help decide whether or not to like Jay Chou.

As for the S.H.E. article, I thank you for the invitation to make edits to it. Once again, I know very little about the group, so any modification I make is likely technical. It would help if you let me know when you plan to nominate it again, so I will allocate my time on the S.H.E. article accordingly. All the best to you! SeleneFN 18:12, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Hey sorry about reverting 2 of your edits. I'm in the middle of copyediting S.H.E. and the FA criteria 1a is needing a lot of work. Flow and tone mostly, but also trimming unnecessary words. A lot of trimming... it'll take me some time. SeleneFN 17:42, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

It's "Ms". And yes it's PhD candidate :) because I just passed my comprehensive exam 2 months ago! Actually I started working on the Jay article during all my breaks from studying.

The project sounds like a great idea! It came across my mind too to do something like that, but 1. I don't have that much time, and 2. my interest is in C-pop is really only Jay Chou, and if I write anything else it'll probably be related to him.

Good luck on the A-mei article! SeleneFN 18:01, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

OK. I have only copyedited the "Music Career" part. Go to my User:SeleneFN. There are 3 links for you. General comments which you should read first, then a commentary on the Music Career part. The last link is my copyedit. I will not directly copyedit S.H.E. because my writing style is far too different from yours, and you may find it too much of a shock for you. I won't be offended if you don't use it (mind you, I wrote that part on a word processor, so you'll have to add back all the wikilinks and article references yourself) Hopefully, with the commentary on your version, you'll be able to get some hints and copyedit the rest of the article yourself. Let me know if you still need more help. I think this article has all the references it could need for FA, it just needs a bit of trimming and it'll make FA. Good luck!SeleneFN 05:38, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

S.H.E political affiliations

Yes, but, in this case, it builds more to why S.H.E would not claim themselves as Taiwanese. I wouldn't just go around writing what S.H.E supports and what they don't. However, because it links to why they would not say they're Taiwanese (note it was a huge controversy), I think claiming they support the KMT because of actual rallies they went to to sing for them is legit in this case. Sky Divine 13:18, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Copyediting

I would remove the ratings. It seems like you've delved a little too deeply into the shows themselves (and their popularity), distracting people from reading about S.H.E. TV dramas are a group effort and it is difficult to attribute good ratings to any one particular person. If you mentioned that they were the lead characters, then maybe you can mention one or 2 ratings... but put the rating immediately after you tell people they are leads, that way the reader makes that mental link easily. In general though, I would stay away from numbers such as ratings (sparingly is OK) because it becomes incredibly boring to read a paragraph of numbers. Heh... trust me, science articles I read are like that and they're awfully dry... SeleneFN 00:48, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

I totally understand why you would want to put ratings in the article. It's always important to remind the readers of your subjects' notability. I think given proper phrasing, TV show ratings can be put on the article. However, I was reading this paragraph

In October 2005, all three members of S.H.E starred in the drama, Reaching for the Stars (真命天女),[e] and sang its opening theme, "Star Light" (星光). Reaching for the Stars had the misfortune of airing its pilot episode during the final episode of The Prince Turns Into A Frog (王子變青蛙). While the average rating for the pilot episode of Reaching for the Stars was 1.17, the final episode of The Prince Turns Into A Frog set a 2005 record for highest average episode rating (6.93) and highest episode rating (11.35).[60] The second episode of Reaching for the Stars hadn't fared much better. Pitted against the final episode of It Started With A Kiss, Reaching for the Stars averaged a rating of 1.45, while It Started With A Kiss averaged 3.85, including a rating of 7.56 for the 15-24 age bracket.[61] Reaching For The Stars not only attained mediocre television ratings, but was also expensive to produce, with each episode costing over NTD450,000.[62]

and one thing immediately jumps out: there isn't a single mention of S.H.E. in it except for "S.H.E. starred in the drama..."! You've dedicated the whole paragraph to the TV shows themselves, and it's not even all about S.H.E.'s shows. But before I go on, I want to ask - when you say "Decline and Revival" in the title, do you mean S.H.E.'s overall decline in popularity or their decline in their TV careers? Just because they acted in a few dramas with poor ratings (and it climbed high later anyways), I don't know if this hints and their overall decline or just in TV. It depends what angle you want to throw on the article.

About the ratings themselves - if the ratings never improved even when aired without the finales of other popular dramas, then it can't be blamed on these other more popualar dramas. I think it is sufficient to just say

"In October 2005, all three members of S.H.E starred in the drama Reaching for the Stars (真命天女),[e] and sang its opening theme, "Star Light" (星光). The show was poorly received (average rating 1.45) compared to other dramas aired during that period (such as The Prince Turns Into A Frog, with an average of rating 6.93), suggesting at S.H.E.'s dwindling popularity."

Or something like that. Sorry about cutting away so much. I was reading that paragraph thinking "what is the point you are trying to make?" "Why is the second episode mentioned?" "Why do I need to know these other dramas broke records?" "Why should I care the show was expensive to make?"... anyways, I think you get the point. Anyways, just a suggestion! SeleneFN 05:04, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

I would think graphing out the shows' ratings would be a bit overboard. As I said before, it is hard to attribu

Flags

Hello, I intentionally removed that flag from the Infobox at Faye Wong because of what WP:Flagcruft says. According to Wikipedia:Use_of_flags_in_articles#Not_for_use_in_locations_of_birth_and_death, we should avoid putting flags next to places of birth and death. If you have no objections, I would like to take that flag out again. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 18:15, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, well I'm certainly not going to go around deleting flags out of every single biographical article. I'm just doing it when I happen to be editing something else on an article. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 19:45, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Jutoupi

Hi, I saw a comment on the WP:CHINA board that you wrote about pop music. I thought you might be able to help me sort out who this fellow Jutoupi is; here's the note I posted on that same board. Chubbles 03:45, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Okay, thanks. Since I have now noticed you are very active in this field, I guess I should point out that I started the articles for New Taiwanese Song and New Formosa Band because they were listed at WP:AR1. (I think someone, about three years ago, put in requests for all the groups mentioned in The Rough Guide to World Music in the Taiwan pop section). However, I did so with almost no information whatsoever; almost nothing is written about them in English and I don't speak a word of Chinese. So if you or the taskforce are able to improve them, that'd be great. Thanks. Chubbles 03:53, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Fun guo

Hi, could you possibly add anything to Fun guo? Badagnani 07:15, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

I just made it, but would like people who know this dish better, or who could look at Chinese-language websites about it, to check it. I especially want to know more about what is used to make the wrapper. I've also asked several questions at Talk:Fun guo. Badagnani 08:56, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Check it out

This may interest you. ALTON .ıl 00:06, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

S.H.E.

I saw the article at LOCE and FAC and had a look, and I will have another try at it later. However, I was unable to copyedit in several places because I wasn't sure about either the intention of the text or what the references would support. I'll try to make some FAC comments and will see what I can copyedit as I go. I'm going to be out of reliable Internet contact till the end of the weekend though, starting later today, so I don't know how much I can get done (if any) before Monday. Mike Christie (talk) 05:28, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

I struck some comments; unfortunately that's all I have time for tonight, and I'm pretty busy the next two or three days -- either asleep, in planes or in meetings. I'll have another look at the other responses when I next get a chance; I may strike some more but I need to take another look. I will also have another go at copy-editing if I can find time. Mike Christie (talk) 00:42, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Jane Zhang

I would like to thank you for all the copy-editing you have done on this article. Your help is much appreciated. I would have never picked up those mistakes myself.

I have nominated the article for WP:FA and I would like you to contribute to the process, supporting it or providing constructive criticism. So please, voice your opinion here. Much appreciated it and thank you once again. σмgнgσмg 01:24, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

A kid climbing the ladder?

I say Endless sorrow mirageinred (talk) 15:54, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Faye Wong external links

Hi Pandacomics, I note that you removed most external links from the article Faye Wong, including two that I regularly use for reference. These had already been discussed at Talk:Faye Wong#External Links with a decision by the regular editors to retain them.[1] You even left one spam link which had just been added and had nothing to do with Faye Wong. I've therefore reverted your edit. - Fayenatic (talk) 13:23, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Jane Zhang audio clips

Hey, I'm leaving this message in Hong Kong at the moment with a computer that has no speaker. Therefore, I can't really go into specifics on which audio clips I want. I'm just waiting for an opportunity to have access to a computer with Internet access and a speaker.

However, I was wondering if you can make an audio clip that is extracted from a Youtube clip. If you are able to, then would you be willing to do a 30 second clip on Jane Zhang performing Minnie Riperton['s "Lovin' You". Again I can't give you the specifics but it would be at a time where she uses her whistle register.

Thanks a million. Your act of kindness is really appreciated. σмgнgσмg 23:17, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Chang Chen-yue

According to Wade-Giles#Punctuation which I cited in my edit, "Wade-Giles uses hyphens to separate all syllables within a word" and "The tone marks are ignored except in textbooks." I'll leave it for now, but is this wrong?217.42.13.36 (talk) 00:12, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Please can you cite the specific part of WP:FLAG which leads you to remove the flag from the infobox on this page? I've read through the entire flag page and can't see any justification. Thanks217.42.13.38 (talk) 08:41, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Congratulations

Congrats on the S.H.E FA status :) SeleneFN (talk) 06:01, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

My congratulations as well. /cheer Arsonal (talk) 16:00, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

List of Chou's songs

Thanks for pointing that out. I agree about the "composer" column. I just put it there originally because all the CD inserts still specify "Composer: Jay Chou". I guess that column can be removed. Do you want to do it or want me to? I don't mind either way, just that I won't have much time to make updates! I still haven't added "On The Run" songs! SeleneFN (talk) 16:50, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Cleanup templates

Just to let you know that most cleanup templates, like "{{Unreferenced}}", "{{Fact}}" and , "{{Merge}}" etc., are best not "subst"ed . See WP:SUBST for more details. Regards, Rich Farmbrough, 23:31 15 December 2007 (GMT).

Foreign Exchange Dealers Coalition (FXDC). rgds, Rich Farmbrough, 12:16 16 December 2007 (GMT).

Ho Yeow Sun

The people changing your "Ho" (which, I agree, is according to MOS) to "Sun" don't really care about the name — they're mostly various City Harvest Church zealots attempting to remove anything that paints their dear leader's estranged wife in less than angelic light, and using the name thing to disguise that. Sigh. Jpatokal (talk) 00:36, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Sweetbox

Hi! Thanks, I corrected it in the Hungarian wikipedia. I just assumed Jade's version was first, I should have checked it. Thanks again. kind regards, – Alensha ^talk 00:12, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Wang Lihong and Edison Chen's origins

What does it matter where his profession is based with respect to origin? That's like saying Yao Ming's origin is Houston! Penser (talk) 06:47, 13 January 2008 (UTC)penser

Oops

I guess we were both wrong Pandacomics. In Wiki-speak, in the context of musicians, "origin" is neither the country where a person came from originally (my thought) nor the country where their career is based currently (as you implied).

It is:

"The city from which the singer or group originated (that is, the city where the group was founded; or the city where individual performers started their career, should it not match the location of their birth)"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_Musical_artist

So Edison Chen's origin should be "Hong Kong" because there is no indication that he ever did any acting or singing before he started doing so in Hong Kong.

For Leehom Wang, it's a little trickier, because he studied music as a major in Williamstown, MA while a student at Williams College. That's arguably the start of his musical career. On the other hand, there's no record I'm aware of that he did much performing in Massachusetts, so arguably his career began in Taipei, the center of Taiwan's entertainment world. But he also has studios in New York and Taipei, I believe. He mostly performs outside of Taipei, but where does he mostly write his music? The bottom line, it's difficult to determine the origin of an artist who doesn't rise organically, performing small shows and then finally sign with a big label and travel the world, performing.

I say if we put Taipei for now, but if someone has information that he performed in Williamstown then we change it to the latter. Penser (talk) 21:34, 4 March 2008 (UTC)penser

Edison Chen

Pandacomics, I feel like we've had this discussion before... For Edison Chen, refer to the above point. Penser (talk) 20:56, 4 March 2008 (UTC)penser

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B.A.D

I still have doubts:

1. I don't believe the awards are "major" enough.
2. No sources on whether they've charted
3. Or toured
4. Most of your sources appear to be trivial

-- Ļıßζېấשּׂ~ۘ Ώƒ ﻚĢęخ (talk) 05:54, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes well, thats all I was asking for, to fit the criteria. thanks -- Ļıßζېấשּׂ~ۘ Ώƒ ﻚĢęخ (talk) 04:35, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Heh

I noticed you took that fact out. It makes sense as to why the citizens were all panicking. Benjwong (talk) 05:02, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Edison Chen photo scandal

Wasn't it you who complained there were some overly long sentences, with an excessive number of commas, out there? I noticed you put one back. Just pulling your leg ;-) Ohconfucius (talk) 06:24, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

RE: COI & edit war

Hi, I'm a RC patroller & WP:FACT checker in Wikipedia. Seeing both u & Jpatokal have been upholding one of the five pillars of Wikipedia on the article 'Ho Yeow Sun' all these while, I've filed a page protection request (outcome pending) until the case is fully resolved as per talkpage discussion, in view of the on-going acts of sockpuppetry & anonymous IPs (recalcitrant sockpuppet-masters or their misguided accomplices) reverting such inclusion unabatedly even at these very moment.[2]. Do follow-up for COI or ANI resolution whichever most appropriate, as I've given final warnings to Jing 13 & Cane sg (likely sockpuppet) earlier that were ignored or circumvented. This nonsense has to end for the common good of Wikipedia in the long run. Rgds. -- Aldwinteo (talk) 08:04, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Wrong Use of Revert

You reverted something that was not a revert candidate. Reverting is only for vandalism. The "importance" tag I added to B.A.D. was valid. No efforts have been made to improve the article, no extra sources have been added. As of now, that article is still very poor. They are notable, as proven in AFD, but the article is still poor. Until that article is improved, it can and probably will be tagged. Undeath (talk) 00:24, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Moved to Dee Hsu

Thank you for the edit, I agree with the move. It is now pointing to a much better & accurate name. TheAsianGURU (talk) 23:25, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Jolin Tsai

I can show you the youtube video of JOlin Tsai at the Valentines Day concert with Ma Ying-jeou and other members of the KMT. I can also show you the video where Jolin declines to say her political viewpoint.

http://tw.youtube.com/watch?v=dW4NRnzn3mU (Jolin declines to state her political viewpoint) http://tw.youtube.com/watch?v=8s1vGfjyJL4 http://tw.youtube.com/watch?v=RRGVqfRRQh0 (Both videos show Jolin at the valentine event) Beautiful Formosa (talk) 06:49, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

It would be relevant to her career because some people might not support her/like her/buy her music if she supports the KMT. ANd also, cant this be included in her personal life stuff? Why does the article have completely all career related stuff?Beautiful Formosa (talk) 07:45, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

"Prefix"

WRT to this edit, "prefix" very definitely is a verb. See wiktionary:prefix#Verb. That being said, you were right to revert, not because "prefix" is not a verb (it is), but because it was used incorrectly by the prior editor.

Bad:

Mainland China fans often prefix the title tiānhòu (天后, literally Heavenly Queen) before her name...

Good:

Mainland China fans often place the title tiānhòu (天后, literally Heavenly Queen) before her name...

But also good:

Mainland China fans often prefix her name with the title tiānhòu (天后, literally Heavenly Queen)...

TJRC (talk) 23:56, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

redundant categories

From Wikipedia:Categories: Usually, articles should not be in both a category and its subcategory. Because Category:Fahrenheit members is now in Category:Members of boy bands and Category:Mandopop singers, the individual members do not need to be in those categories. That's the rationale that's used everywhere on Wikipedia categories. Hope that helps.--Mike Selinker (talk) 19:32, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

• For the members of Fahrenheit, I've put back the categories to my last version, with hopes you'll agree with the above reasoning.--Mike Selinker (talk) 19:38, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Noted. But none of the "(X) members" categories have gotten the axe yet. Nonetheless, I would be willing to put back the Mandopop singers categories, but not the Members of boy bands categories, as putting those back would invite every member of the Backstreet Boys, O-Town, and so on to flood that category again.--Mike Selinker (talk) 20:17, 16 March 2008 (UTC)