Talk:John McCain

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Pronunciation of 'McCain'

Both Joe Biden and Sarah Palin WP articles give guidance on how to pronounce the subject's surname. In Barack Obama's case, we are given the pronunciation for 'Barack', 'Hussein' and 'Obama'. But there is no guidance at all on how to pronounce 'John', 'Sidney' or 'McCain'. Could an IPA expert please enlighten us on how to pronounce 'McCain'? - PJHaseldine (talk) 16:49, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Uh, are you seriously in doubt? With Biden and Palin, the guide is there to tell you whether the first vowel is long or short (Michael Palin, for example, is pronounced differently). With Obama, it's probably there to tell you where the accent is in his last name. But with McCain, there's only one way it could possibly be said. Unless I'm missing something. Wasted Time R (talk) 17:30, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Mi-Cain or Mick-Cain (in other words, are both c's pronounced or not) ... I think that's something reasonable that someone might wonder about. --B (talk) 13:54, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

My guess is that has more to do with the dialect and diction habits of the speaker than with McCain's name itself, but okay ... Wasted Time R (talk) 14:17, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I think it's fairly obvious. We don't need the IPA guide for every article's title. Coemgenus 14:56, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Obvious to some, maybe. But what if it is Mucka-in or even Mack-Ca-In? We have a (constitutional?) right to know!--PJHaseldine (talk) 21:19, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

health history?

a documentation of mccain's health should be included as it is highly relevant to the upcoming election in light of his running mate choice. [03:11, September 14, 2008 98.163.226.18]

It's interpersed in the article in several sections. "McCain fractured both arms and a leg, and then nearly drowned, when he parachuted into Truc Bach Lake in Hanoi.[30] After he regained consciousness, some North Vietnamese pulled him ashore, then others crushed his shoulder with a rifle butt and bayoneted him.[30] ... His injuries left him permanently incapable of raising his arms above his head.[44]" and then "McCain has addressed concerns about his age and past health concerns, stating in 2005 that his health was "excellent".[205] He has been treated for a type of skin cancer called melanoma, and an operation in 2000 for that condition left a noticeable mark on the left side of his face.[206] McCain's prognosis appears favorable, according to independent experts, especially because he has already survived without a recurrence for more than seven years.[206] In May 2008, McCain's campaign let the press review his medical records, and he was described as appearing cancer-free, having a strong heart and in general good health.[207]" and then "He also carries physical vestiges of his war wounds, as well as his melanoma surgery.[246] When campaigning, he quips: "I am older than dirt and have more scars than Frankenstein."[247]"

The separate subarticles go into even more detail. "Bailing out upside down at high speed,[94] the force of the ejection fractured McCain's right arm in three places, his left arm, and his right leg, and knocked him unconscious.[94] McCain nearly drowned after making a parachute landing in Trúc Bạch Lake in Hanoi; ... A mob gathered around, spat on him, kicked him, and stripped him of his clothes; his left shoulder was crushed with the butt of a rifle and he was bayoneted in his left foot and abdominal area.[94][91]" ... "Further in 1993, a melanoma was discovered on his shoulder and removed.[74]" ... "McCain's plans to campaign for Bush in fall 2000 were delayed later in August by a recurrence of melanoma.[13] This Stage IIa instance on his temple required extensive surgery that removed the lesion, surrounding lymph nodes, and part of the parotid gland.[77] The final pathology tests showed that the melanoma had not spread, and his prognosis was good, but McCain was left with cosmetic aftereffects including a puffy cheek and a scar down his neck.[77]" ... "McCain's war wounds leave him incapable of raising his arms above his head; he is unable to attend to his own hair and he sometimes requires assistance in dressing, tasks performed by nearby aides.[11] His former communications director has said, "You comb someone's hair once, and you never forget it."[11] McCain has been treated for recurrent skin cancer, including melanoma, in 1993, 2000, and 2002;[22] one of the resulting operations left a noticeable mark on the left side of his face.[23] These medical conditions, combined with his advancing years, led him to repeatedly use a self-deprecating remark during his 2008 presidential campaigning: "I am older than dirt and have more scars than Frankenstein."[23]"

So McCain's health is covered here.

But what Wikipedia really needs is an index, like real books have. Then you could look up McCain, look up health, and there would be links to the places in the main article and the places in the subarticles where his health is described. Alas, all Wikipedia has is brute-force direct-match text search, which doesn't work too well for cases like this. Wasted Time R (talk) 12:56, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

McCain's medical records have not been released to the public, except for a suspiciously private, shortened media session in which no one was allowed to take pictures of the records or take notes. Other than that, the article clarifies everything that has been publicly released about McCain's health. The only thing that is missing is more detail about his fight with melanoma, which has not been released by the McCain camp yet.--MegaKN (talk) 22:47, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

More on McCain's Foreign Interest Lobbyist's

The topic of John McCain's ties to lobbyist's and the interests they represent receives scant coverage in this article. For example, the Associated Press reported on July 20,2008 in an article headlined "FROM SHIPPING LOBBYIST TO MCCAIN ADVISOR" that(first paragraph) "Playing a dual role as shipping lobbyist and a member of a federal advisory panel, John McCain's Campaign policy coordinator helped shape a controversial homeland security initiative that has taken the government 5 1/2 years to develop." It goes on to state (third paragraph) that "A former chief of staff to McCain, Christopher Koch in 2000 set up the World Shipping Council to lobby on behalf of some 40 foreign-based and U.S. ocean carriers. The companies transport half a trillion dollars worth of exports and imports annually. The group has spent $1.7 milliion to influence the federal government on a range of maritime issues." Then third paragraph... "In May Koch de-registered as a lobbyist, took a leave of absence from the World Shipping Council and joined the McCain campaign. He plans to return to the shipping council after the election." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.26.106.9 (talk) 14:23, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

McCain, Georgia, and Lobbying

A Washington Post article of August 13, 2008(page A-3) displays the interconnections of foreign political lobbying and policy outcomes in the John McCain campaign. The article headlined "WHILE AIDE ADVISED MCCAIN, HIS FIRM LOBBIED FOR GEORGIA" is by the staff writers Matthew Mosk and Jeffrey Birnbaum. It starts..."Sen. John McCain's top foreign adviser prepped his boss for an April 17 phone call with the president of Georgia and then helped the presumptive presidential nominee prepare a strong statement of support for the fledgling republic.[next paragraph] The day of the call, a lobbying firm partly owned by the adviser, Randy Scheunemann, signed a $200,00 contract to continue providing strategic advice to the Georgian government in Washington." Later in the article it states..."For months while McCain's presidential campaign was gearing up, Scheunemann held dual roles, advising the candidate on foreign policy while working as Georgia's lobbyist." And,providing some context, the article states(paragraph 8)..."As a private lobbyist trying to influence lawmakers and Bush administration staffers, Scheunemann at times relied on his access to McCain in his work for foreign clients on Capitol Hill." The article quotes a lobbying expert James Thurber of American University as raising the ethical issue..."Is the adviser loyal to income from a foreign client ,or is he loyal to the candidate he is working for now?" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.26.106.9 (talk) 21:19, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

old man

he is the oldest person to run for president and hes Bold textOLD —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.14.94.226 (talk) 00:10, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

The article says, "Also, if inaugurated in 2009 at age 72 years and 144 days, he would be the oldest U.S. president upon ascension to the presidency,[204] and the second-oldest president to be inaugurated.[205]" (Footnote 205 tells you Ronald Reagan was older at the start of his second term.) Reagan was being inaugurated for a second term, at the age of 73. McCain would be inaugurated for his first term at 72. Reagan was already in office (he ascended to that office aged 69, the current record) and McCain will not be, thus he would be the oldest president upon ascention while Reagan would still hold the record as the oldest president inaugurated. Bob Dole was also 73 when he was nominated by the Republican party. Happyme22 (talk) 02:34, 18 September 2008 (UTC)