User talk:Jehochman

Template:ACE2008Candidate Please leave a new message. See User talk:Jehochman/Hall of fame for the best messages ever. I answer posts on the same page. Remember Strunk & White's advice, "Omit needless words!" Coachees: See User talk:Jehochman/Coaching. Cursing: For incivility on this page, you must add at least one (correct) inline reference to gamma ray burst or SS Edmund Fitzgerald. Unblocks: If I block a user indefinitely, any administrator is free to refactor the block. If a block is infinite, please talk to me first. "Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room." Trolls will be eaten by User:Bishzilla.

I am responding back to your message. I have not put any article without reference. Please help me understand --Sap ip (talk) 23:54, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

hello

I see your name quite often. I also see that you are running for ArbCom. I am busy now so don't interpret that I'm only asking you a question to mean that I am picking on you.

How can the problem of ArbCom ignoring people be solved? I wrote to ArbCom about a year ago and no response. I wrote again and no response. It was a genuine issue that I don't want to drag out again but in my own experience, ArbCom has not been helpful at all. Chergles (talk) 21:29, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

They often don't respond when I write to them too. My impression is that they are deluged with email. I think open source help desk software might be useful. Then you'd get a ticket number back with your inquiry, and it would remain in the system until somebody closed the request. Their closing note would come back to you as a second email. Even if they say "We can't help you", it is nice to get a response instead of dead air. Jehochman ^Talk 21:44, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Not all issues can be resolved at the current help desk. Issues relating to banning certainly can't. Issues involving privacy also can't. A different help desk that you are referring to is an interesting idea. Adequate customer service seems to be lacking in Wikipedia, even courtesy among administrators. Chergles (talk) 21:51, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Indeed. I think people need to not take on more responsibilities than they can handle. Failure to respond promptly is a sign of overloading, failure to delegate effectively or need for better technology. Jehochman ^Talk 21:52, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

More problems with vandal ip User:86.158.234.2 et al.

This user continues to make the same edits and has not sought any consensus. User:Shovon76, User:William M. Connolley, User:Yachtsman1, User:Unpopular Opinion and others continue to support my edits, no one is supporting theirs. They make no communication they just continue to make the same edits regardless that they have had no support

They have also recently initiated two personal attacks, one being against me [1] [2]

Some but not necessarily all articles they are still reverting http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pakistan-administered_Kashmir&action=history http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wakhan_Corridor&action=history (until User:Kingturtle semi-protected it) http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Saser_Kangri&action=history http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wars_and_conflicts_between_India_and_Pakistan&action=history http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Baramulla&action=history

Furthermore, they are also a sock puppet Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Nangparbat. They are known for wikistalking, as you may know, so expect them to end up on this talk page again. Thegreyanomaly (talk) 23:26, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Blocked. Jehochman ^Talk 00:45, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

They are still editing now as User:86.158.236.65. A larger range block may be needed. Thegreyanomaly (talk) 21:41, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

I agree. I have restored one of the original range blocks. If they turn up on other ranges, we can block them too. Jehochman ^Talk 21:49, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

User:99.229.204.255 initiated another personal attack against me

[3]

the same user who wrote this [4]

Thegreyanomaly (talk) 01:55, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Blocked.Jehochman ^Talk 03:18, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Your evidence related to Elonka in the Cold fusion RFAR

I found that evidence off-topic. Elonka and SA clearly aren't on friendly terms, and take pot shots at each other whenever they can, but this case isn't about those spats. SA would have to defend himself by detailing why he edited Elonka's article, and there were objective reasons to edit it, just the timing was suspect. This case is complext enough as it is, without dragging Elonka into it. Pcap ping 06:28, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Shoemaker's Holiday appeal

Responding here because I don't want to clutter up the request for clarification because I think I've said clearly what would be acceptable to me and what would not. I think it is reasonable to blank all the case pages and if that has consensus I would happily do it, but I do not think the case should be 'vacated'. What happened with Orangemarlin was quite different and 'vacating' meant something quite different there to what is being asked for here. As far as I understand what is requested, it is to annul the case and remove it from the records. The findings of fact in an arbitration case do not constitute a brand permanently applied to a user, but instead are the impressions made on the committee after examining the evidence.

It is inevitable that some of these impressions will be harsh, unfair, even incorrect. Indeed sometimes the committee's procedure may have been less than perfect. However, the way of demonstrating that they are wrong is not to go back and rewrite history but for the editors involved to show that they were wrong. The only part of an arbitration case which is open to subsequent alteration are the remedies; overturning a remedy is an indication that the problems which it was designed to solve are no longer present on Wikipedia. In this immediate case there were two remedies only: the first was to annotate the block log of Matthew Hoffman, and took place instantaneously; the second was the desysop of Vanished User, which also took place instantaneously. There is nothing left to annul in this case. Accepting the notion that the case should now be 'vacated' would be to accept that the findings of fact had a longer validity, which would be an unacceptable power grab on behalf of the committee.

The concession of blanking the case pages seems a reasonable move to me to acknowledge that Shoemaker's Holiday wishes to move on. I understand Shoemaker's Holiday is not currently applying for administrator status. Sam Blacketer (talk) 10:50, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Shanahan Issue

"I have made a motion that you be added to an existing arbitration case as a named party. See Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Cold fusion/Workshop#Request to add Kirk shanahan as a party. Please comment there. Jehochman Talk 20:51, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Kirk_shanahan"

So what does that mean?

Note that I have placed a statement on the CF evidence page regarding your insinuation. This was done prior to noting your post to my talk page, and my responding to that here. Kirk shanahan (talk) 16:38, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Adding you as a party means that you are aware of the arbitration and have the opportunity to comment. If you have opinions about how the conflicts surrounding the article can be resolved, your input may be valuable. For what it is worth, adding references to one's own paper is not strictly forbidden, but strongly discouraged. Your comments may help clarify matters. Jehochman ^Talk 17:32, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

User:Qwerty612 at Keith Henson article

Qwerty612 (talk · contribs) - check recent contribs. You had previously been involved in monitoring WP:BLP issues on the article Keith Henson, thought you would be a good person to look into this. Thank you, Cirt (talk) 19:23, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

FYI - [5]. Cirt (talk) 13:22, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Heads up

Heads up - [6], [7]. Without WP:V/WP:RS secondary sources, this info should be removed from the talk page and also not be in the article, IMO. Would appreciate your attention, thank you. Cirt (talk) 15:07, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Thank you! Cirt (talk) 15:23, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

More problems with vandal ip User:86.162.68.36 et al.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/86.162.68.36

They are back Thegreyanomaly (talk) 22:41, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Blocked. Jehochman ^Talk 23:06, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

admin coaching

Hi Jehochman! I recently re-added myself for admin coaching, and saw that you were active and didn't currently have any coachees. Would you be willing to take me on as your student? Mister Senseless™ (Speak - Contributions) 05:34, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

If you have time, would you take a look please...

First, I thought this editor was an administrator by his name [8] but after reading through his talk page I realize s/he is not. But I do see a problem that might need looking into, esp for WP:BLP possible issues. Please take a look at the comments also Here. The way this editor is so focused on sexuality being put into articles like this is very concerning plus the lack of WP:NPA & WP:Assume good faith with some of the comments being made. This editor seems to have been warned multiple times by multiple editors about this but it seems they are not listening. I just thought attentions were needed to make sure nothing is breaching the core policies with this attitude going on. Thanks, --CrohnieGal^Talk 11:36, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your quick response, I noticed your comments [9], much appreciated. I really don't like to go to the board, it really seems to attract too much attention and drama at times, thanks again. Oh good luck with the election, I will definitely be voting this time, it's the first time I am able to. :) --CrohnieGal^Talk 13:06, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Jehochman, thank you for notifying me of the ANI discussion regarding me. I have given a long explanation on the ANI page, in reply to the to the allegations there, about the matters concerned. It is unfortunate that you unjustifiably suspect me of being a sockpuppet and think my username is a problem. The range block was imposed because of someone else within the range, not because of anything to do with me; I merely happened to be within said range. My account itself has never been blocked. Many usernames are similar, I never intended to cause any confusion. I don't know what prompted your strong dislike of me/my work, I'm a good editor. Please read my explanation on ANI. Thank you. Werdnawerdna (talk) 19:50, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

I just want to thank you for following up and researching this. I didn't know the depth of things when I asked you to take a look but with what has been shown it looks like you did really well following up for me. Thank you again for your kind and quick response to my concerns over this. I appreciate it. --CrohnieGal^Talk 17:32, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Sonal Shah

Thanks for your message. I basically agree with you regarding WP:BLP in that section of the article. However, I'm not sure how well removing the entire section will be received by the anti-Shah editors there. Given that this flap has generated a tempest in a teapot, I was trying to provide a WP:BLP-consistent writeup there that would give interested readers an accurate picture of the controversy. I mean, better to mention the controversy and show how many notable people have refuted it than let the allegations proliferate, right?Zuppeandsalad (talk) 18:33, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

I don't really care how they receive it. The rules are clear and that content was a mess or rumor sourced to blogs, forums or unreliable sources. Whoever posts that content on any page of Wikipedia will be blocked to prevent further violations. Jehochman ^Talk 19:29, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Dear Jehochman

I am assuming good faith. The only explanation of your allegation ("not well referenced") is that you are not familiar with the Print Media in India. The references I put are reliable sources of news, and are referred to many times from other Wiki articles. Please check the relevant wiki pages about those sources of news before coming to a conclusion. And please restore the information that I put in. Thanks. M an as at yahoo.com (talk) 15:13, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Indian_television_stations#News_2 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:English-language_newspapers_published_in_India M an as at yahoo.com (talk) 15:42, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

I have already explained how to obtain a consensus as to whether a source is reliable via the WP:RSN. You have very little experience with Wikipedia. I suggest you listen to the advice given rather than engage in argumentum ad nauseum. Jehochman ^Talk 15:45, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

manners? M an as at yahoo.com (talk) 15:58, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Indian_Media That settles the case. I shall revert the article now. Thank you for being watchful.

User:86.151.123.172

Vandal evades again Thegreyanomaly (talk) 20:37, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Digital Realty Trust: Company Article

Jehochman, I'm looking for an Administrator or editor that can lend a hand on my article.

FULL DISCLOSURE: I am an employee of the company mentioned in this article.

I posted my initial request for help on the WikiProject Business page here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Business#Digital_Realty_Trust_-_Company_Article

My draft of the article is on one of my user sub pages here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Dlrwebmaster/Digital_Realty_Trust

The article is not published anywhere, as I'm still trying to get an editor/administrator to help me write the article and follow all of the stringent "neutrality" guidelines.

As you can see on the WikiProject Business talk page above, I list several references that I think would prove credibility. However, I am still uncertain how to incorporate those references into the article AND remain "neutral point of view". I thought if I (as the author) put the references in the article that it would come across as "self-promoting".

Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated. Dlrwebmaster (talk) 22:38, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

I see that you have posted to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Business. That's the right idea. To get more traction you might try to participate more actively in that project and help others with their needs. Give to get. Jehochman ^Talk 15:34, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

USS Liberty Incident

I was wondering if I might ask for your advice, I asked another admin for advice and he suggested that I contact you. USS Liberty Incident is on my watch list, recently this seemed to be the target of a group of editors wishing to include a particular fringe theory. The article has been problematic for a while as it tends to attract SPA and those with anti-semitic motives. A series of editors have been pushing for inclusion of fringe theories in the article, in particular to use the Moorer report to support an edit that the attack on the Liberty was deliberate. There is a thread on AN/I here [10]. The edit failed wiki policies on a number of points but some details have been included now that secondary sources have been found. Now it would appear the editors are working together to expunge the noted author A. Jay Cristol, who is generally considered to have produced a definitive work that debunks many conspiracy theories, I have taken this up on the reliable sources noticeboard [11]here. Other, more experienced editors have suggested meat puppets may be at play see [12] here. I must admit to feeling out of my depth here and would sincerely welcome advice how to proceed. Justin talk 23:23, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

User:86.151.123.172

Several other IPs they are abusing

User_talk:William_M._Connolley#Tracking Thegreyanomaly (talk) 23:28, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Sonal Shah

Article can't avoid discussing the VHP nonsense. (I haven't really looked at it before, or participated at the talkpage, so I was rather startled to discover nothing mentioned.) I presume you know that I'm more than capable of adding it without violating BLP. I just thought I'd check in before I started, though, given your rather excessively heavy-handed sounding post on the talkpage. That tone best avoided in future, I'd suggest. --Relata refero (disp.) 12:33, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

You had best fully familiarize yourself with the facts of the matter before passing judgments. You can add whatever you like, so long as the material is properly sourced and does not violate WP:UNDUE or other relevant policies. This situation is inches from being sent to arbitration. Take great care. Jehochman ^Talk 12:43, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Edit war (List of Virtual Console games (North America))

Ah... I forgot about the three edit (revert) rule, sorry. There have been times when I haven't been on Wikipedia for a while, and I've been just coming back recently.

About the edits, some of the users (like RobJ1981) were saying that ESRB is not a reliable source, and that all titles should be removed that had this source from the future releases section. (See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_Virtual_Console_games_(North_America)#Remove_all_titles_referred_to_as_future_releases_by_their_ESRB_rating ) Vernon (Versus22) (talk) 16:48, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

The IP's keep bringing that table back and a few other users had to revert it. Vernon (Versus22) (talk) 16:50, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Can you get the IP's to engage in dispute resolution, or else start an article content requests for comment and get a pile of outside opinions. Another thing you could do is go to reliable sources noticeboard and have a discussion about the suitability of that source. Be sure to link from the article talk page. Don't use reverting to correct disagreements. Take the time to get a consensus. Jehochman ^Talk 17:06, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

And there has been discussion at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Video_games/Sources#ESRB Vernon (Versus22) (talk) 17:35, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

friendly future request

I appreciate your undoing a spamlink insertion and your swift action in blocking an IP user for a few hours to prevent further spamlinks, but there were still spamlinks unreverted to two other pages. I reverted them, but in the future if you would see if there's additional unreverted vandalism after blocking (or notify an assistance page if too busy), that'd be even better. Just a request. Thanks. Gotyear (talk) 18:47, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Yah, normally I stalk those spammers. He may have gotten in another spam after I started processing the block. Jehochman ^Talk 18:49, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Actually, it was several minutes before the spamlink you reverted. Interestingly, only 3 minutes before the first spam were good edits, links to an updated version of a song's charting performance. Gotyear (talk) 19:57, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Cooper River (New Jersey)

Hey, thanks for your help earlier with this article! I don't understand why they're not getting it. This is the 3rd request in a week and a half related to the same issue, but from the other two articles: Camden, New Jersey and Delaware River. This group of frat boys aren't going to stop from some "warning", so thanks for stepping up and taking some action to get it blocked. I don't think 3 days is long enough, but it's a start and I really appreciate your help with that! EaglesFanInTampa 18:59, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Thunderer

Hi Jehochman I have only came across you once before on wiki and found you to be very fair, what I am here for is could you explain your unblocking of The Thunderer. He has made accusations against me that I am part of a tag team, a cry he has made on numerous other occasions all with out a single diff to back it up. On AE you said … I think it would send absolutely the wrong signal to unblock this editor so he can chat at WP:AE. And also that There need to be consequences or behaviors will not be changed. I feel your unblock gives weight to his pathetic cry of tag teaming and stalking I know you said that he was unblocked because he promised not to edit war again I can recall he made the same promise to Fozz when he unblocked him too. I feel your course of action was wrong and the block should have stood. Thanks for your time. BigDunc^Talk 19:44, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

You see, The Thunderer is using up his second chances. Next time it happens, the block will be for a week, and it won't be lifted. He can make whatever accusations he likes. Be smart and don't react to any sort of provocation. Jehochman ^Talk 20:59, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your swift reply and I will take on board what you have said. BigDunc^Talk 21:06, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Excuse me

But have you looked at what you call my edit-war edits? I was preventing an IP from removing a dispute tag from a disputed page. HD86 (talk) 21:12, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

IPs are not second class citizens. Often they are visitors from other wikis, or newcomers. Even if you are completely right, it is better to post to one of the noticeboards for help than to edit war over a maintenance tag. Regards, Jehochman ^Talk 00:34, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

New IP Vandal

• 86.156.214.36 (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RBLs · proxy check · block user · block log · cross-wiki contribs · CheckUser (log))

This user has such a huge range that it is scary.

Thegreyanomaly (talk) 01:31, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Most of their attacking grounds have been semiprotected, so the page he is attacking are getting narrow Thegreyanomaly (talk) 01:33, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Could you gather up a list of these IPs from my talk page and file a new WP:SSP report. I'd like to have a checkuser look at it and see if we can get a better range block in place. I need a checkuser to help design the blocks to minimize impacts on innocent users. Let's try to do a thorough job. Leave me a link when you are done, and also ping User:Rlevse. Thank you. Jehochman ^Talk 03:01, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

User talk:Bwilkins#WP:CIVIL

Thanks for your constructive input there, as usual. Wouldn't you too bristle at being told you were on a jihad? Do you think I'm out of step on the substantive issue? I'd be interested in your opinion or even a comment there if you can be bothered. Best wishes, --John (talk) 07:34, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Many of the highway overpasses between where I live and New York City have been decorated with flags for the last seven years. I would not use the word jihad around here, Many view it is a fighting word.Jehochman ^Talk 12:51, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

unwarranted warning

I have replied to you both at Sonal Shah talk page and my talk page. Thanks. Docku: What up? 17:16, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

I need your help to monitor this article for BLP violations. The Times of India source may be reliable. All I ask is that the source be confirmed at WP:RSN before that content is added (out of an abundancy of caution, due to the very real problems we have exprerienced), and that WP:UNDUE be observed. Editors using sources that are not even arguably reliable may be blocked. I have no intention of blocking you. Jehochman ^Talk 17:33, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Could you please have a word?

Hi Jehochman, I believe I may have made a mistake yesterday, when I suggested that Thunderer be unblocked. I was willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. However today, despite your unblock and their undertaking, they have gone and reverted five times today on the USC Article, [13], [14], [15], [16] and [17]. Now I gave a very detailed rational on the talk page here so there is no reason to be consistently reverting me. Could you please ask them to stop now, because its getting ridiculous. Thanks --Domer48_'fenian' 21:04, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Oh dear. My block was a simple matter of edit warring. This looks more complex and I would need to check what has happened since I last looked. I am short on time at the moment. Could you post these concerns somewhere, such as User talk:Tznkai, or failing that WP:AE? Thanks. Jehochman ^Talk 21:10, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Will do, thanks --Domer48_'fenian' 21:23, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Personal Attack

Could you please remove the personal attack directed against me and Domer here and here thanks. BigDunc^Talk 12:09, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Those are not personal attacks. They are accusations, possibly false. Your best response is to ignore them. The user is apparently trying to stir up drama. Be a smart fish. Jehochman ^Talk 12:16, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Googlean

Talk to YellowMonkey about it.--Tznkai (talk) 15:49, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Left them a note already. This is one of those situations where I think there is good evidence to support the actions taken. Jehochman ^Talk 15:56, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Page protection

Yes please. I am now being threatened. Thunderer (talk) 16:42, 22 November 2008 (UTC)