Talk:Sonic Unleashed

Backlash and Petition

Should we include the backlash that is on tssznews to the reception area? Also should we add [petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?sunleash the petition] that is on PetitionOnline because it has over 200 signatures. --72.75.61.51 (talk) 21:35, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

No sources by reliable publications for this "backlash"; petition is tiny. Essentially this is a small minority of vocal die-hard "fans", and hence not notable. SynergyBlades (talk) 21:45, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

I don't think so either. It's just stupid fan banter by whiny fanboys who are pissed because Unleashed didn't get 10's in every review. A few signatures won't change anything, especially the media. IT'S THERE JOBS TO REVIEW GAMES! GENERALZERO (talk) 21:48, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

I dunno. I know this is pretty much hearsay, but so far, the majority of people I've talked to have enjoyed the game, and find the reviews (especially IGN and Gamestop) to be very nitpicky and overly negative on the game as a whole. Also, the user scores on Metacritic for all versions are notably higher than their professional average. This is saying absolutely nothing of my own opinion on the game, but I think it might be worth pointing out fan reception to the game.

On another note, is there any news of sales for the game yet? Viewtiful Rekk (talk) 01:26, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

The Wii version only sold 5,800 copies it's opening week, but it was TSSZ who reported that, so we woudln't be able to cite it anyways. GENERALZERO (talk) 05:04, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Night and day

In the whole night and day thing where you turn from Sonic to the Werehog. Is it night time and day time in the game that you change or is it the time in real life? -Unsigned

Talk

What happened to the talk page? THERE USED TO BE so much more questions here. -Unsigned

It's in the archive page, check the archive box up-and-right-a-bit (To December, 2008). SynergyBlades (talk) 04:57, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Oh okay. I thought someone vandalized it. -Unsigned

Article renovation, part 2

SynergyBlades, you said that it's necessary on Wikipedia for there to be third party sources for even gameplay information, "even in place of the game itself". However, I don't think that's entirely fair. To put it in perspective, we can't let the information become out of date either. Indeed, the Xbox 360 version is out now, but some information is still referred to in the future tense, as though the game still hasn't come out; hardly appropriate for an encyclopedia, wouldn't you say? Also reviews aren't always enough for gameplay information, especially those that may be biased in favor of certain viewpoints. There are actually people that have played the game that are actually trying to imporve this article based on their experience with the game, but still in a neutral point of view (like me). It's called Assuming good faith. With all due respect, the internet, and other published sources aren't always going to give us such information on a silver platter.

For this reason, this article really needs to be updated to relfect the present. Furthermore, just because certain gameplay details haven't been discussed in a magazine or whatever, doesn't mean they aren't factual. The first continent IS called "Apotos". Again, with all due respect, if you played the game yourself, you would see that that is what the 1st continent is called. For that reason, I think that "cite" tag should be removed. It's not like Wikipedia editors are making it up or anything. Otherwise, I really don't know what you want from anybody. Personal experience is just as reliable and NPOV as any published source--not always, to be sure--but in the case of this article, it is relisble, and can be stated in a neutral point of view. Brittany Ka (talk) 21:30, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

You seem to be under the impression that Wikipedia is okay with sticking personal experience in, and just saying "trust me". That isn't going to cut it: verifiability, not truth, as strange as it seems to a lot of editors, is how Wikipedia works. I want to get this article to Good Article status and I can guarantee you now, if you go about putting your own information in, it will fail nomination at the drop of a hat. Yes, gameplay does need updating, and I am going to do that based on the reviews that can be found. It is possible to do so from reviews, as I have done this before for articles I have got to Good Article status, and I will do so again if no-one else chooses to do so, or is able to. SynergyBlades (talk) 21:40, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

As an aside, one indicator of why this is important - take your recent edit regarding moon and sun coins. You just edited it to say it doesn't open up levels, and GENERALZERO just re-edited it back to say that that's not correct. Who is right? If I were a general reader of Wikipedia and didn't know either of you from past experience I wouldn't know how reliable either of you are as editors - I'd rather trust reliable third-party sources, and that is why we must use them. (Also found this: Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Article_guidelines#Sources states quite clearly that gameplay sections must be sourced.) SynergyBlades (talk) 01:40, 3 December 2008 (UTC) SynergyBlades (talk) 21:43, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

To-do list

I've added a to-do list to the top of the talk page which, if we can get through each item, would (I think) get it to a stage where we could nominate it for Good Article status. BK is correct in that I don't yet have the game (waiting on the PlayStation 3 version) so I cannot reference the plot, and if someone who has both versions can check the gameplay differences to make sure we've covered the major differences, that would help. In particular, the reviews are somewhat at odds with regards the significance of the coins in the Wii version, so if someone can explain them we can select the correct review to reference. SynergyBlades (talk) 01:12, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Okay, Synergy-sama, for the plot, would be able to use YouTube for a reference? If I'm not mistaken, we are using said site for Sonic Chronicles: The Dark Brotherhood, correct?GENERALZERO (talk) 21:21, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Not exactly, we're using the game walkthrough clips on YouTube to identify plot/script snippets from the game itself, then referencing the game. You can do exactly that here and I was thinking of doing the same, but didn't want to spoil the gameplay too much for myself before actually getting to play it (having second thoughts on buying it anyway, to be honest). Feel free to give it a shot of course - borrow the citing style and templates from the Chronicles one if it helps. SynergyBlades (talk) 00:09, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

I've done most of the plot from the most complete walkthrough I could find on YouTube, but it's still missing a bit towards the end. SynergyBlades (talk) 08:19, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Here's a dual-review for the game I found today. I don't know if this will help or not, since as a review, it's mostly opinion, but it does do a lot of compare-and-contrast between the two versions. It mentions how the running stages and the nighttime stages are completely different among both versions and how collecting Sun and Moon Medals use a different approach, as well as the total amount of them in the 360/PS3 version and how the hubs are very different between them. I've never heard of 2P Start! until now, but it's the only review I know where both versions were critiqued simultaneously. http://www.2pstart.com/reviews2/sonic-unleashed-dual-review/

Around the middle of the review are two videos uploaded by the reviewer as a side-by-side comparison of Shamar's daytime stage (labeled as "Shamar: Arid Sands"). Quoting directly, the reason for this is that "[i]t's difficult to describe these differences successfully." Ron Stoppable (talk) 11:01, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Error found

There are actually 8 daytime stages in the Wii version of Unleashed since Apotos (the first world) has two Sonic stages. All other worlds in the game have one daytime stage and this is not counting the required missions that come after beating a daytime stage.

That's unfortunate, because the source gives the seven figure. Have they counted the double Apotos daytime as one, to make seven? If it's going to be contentious regardless of it coming from a reliable source it would probably be better to just remove the daytime figure to leave the 25 night-time level figure in. SynergyBlades (talk) 21:07, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Well, does the "Double Stage" Apotos count the tutorial as a stage? Or is it a new stage all together? GENERALZERO (talk) 21:21, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

In reply to the question about the tutorial stages, this does not count those stages (or else it'd be a lot more than just two). There's one Apotos stage that's quite short which starts in the grassy, windmill-inhabited area and ends within the town area, and then there's another stage that's more interactive and ends with a battle with the Eggman robot that chases you on a straight path (the stage itself ends on a secluded island with a single building). Hope this helps, and thanks for explaining (I can see why a source would be more reliable). Oh, and one suggestion, maybe an online guide or FAQ for the Wii version would count as a reliable source in regards to proving there are two daytime levels in Apotos. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.54.165.148 (talk) 14:33, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Here it is. GENERALZERO (talk) 00:41, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Hmm. In that case I'd be more inclined to take it out unless we can find another reviewer commenting on the level ratio. A guide can be used provided it's one of the reliable sources we take our review sources from (e.g, IGN guides, but not GameFAQs). SynergyBlades (talk) 08:23, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Oh, suggestion, how about you mention the ratio, but then after saying 8 Sonic stages be specific. For instance, you could say something like "...and 8 Sonic stages with two in the first world, Apotos, and one for each of the worlds that follows". Then you can use the video as a reference as well as the reviewer source. I don't know, could be unnecessarily long, but I thought I'd recommend it anyway. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.54.165.148 (talk) 05:09, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Can't really use the YouTube clip because it isn't a reliable source for citing (plus as a user video it could get taken down at any moment). I've tweaked the wording to detail the larger number of night-time levels without giving a precise figure for daytime. SynergyBlades (talk) 16:54, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Reception

The Reception section is so damage control, 3.5 on Gamespot is definitively a flop. Article suffers seriously from blantant systematic bias. --Affman (talk) 22:44, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

One review does not a reception section make. I have written the reception section based on the reviews cited by Metacritic to produce its average. With such a contentious fanbase and game, we are going to have complaints about this section however it's written, but I believe it's currently written in neutral point-of-view. If you'd like to suggest changes or discuss wording, this is the place to do it, but statements like the above aren't helping. SynergyBlades (talk) 22:51, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

If "systemic bias" means that the examples of the review scores from 360/PS3 are far lower than those of the Wii/PS2 version, here's something that can help balance things out: Hardcore Gamer magazine gave the 360 version a 4.5 out of 5 and has a very lengthy review of it, plus a "second opinion" that's also 4.5 out of 5. http://www.hardcoregamer.com/index.php?option=com_magazine&id_rubrique=1&type=article&id_article=228

Like 2P Start!, this is a publication I had never heard of before now, but it looks like it's pretty new. Ron Stoppable (talk) 11:08, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Trophies?

Does the Sonic Unleashed game for PS3 have trophies?--71.166.129.196 (talk) 23:51, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

This isn't really a forum for chat, but yes, it does; they're the same as the 360 achievements. SynergyBlades (talk) 23:58, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Oh Sorry. I was confused because at the bottom of page it wasn't part of the "PlayStation 3 Trophy Compatible games" category.--71.166.129.196 (talk) 05:33, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Well spotted, and thanks. I'll add it.SynergyBlades (talk) 07:34, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

I got the new GamesMasters magazine today and the scores were, 80% for 360 & PS3 and 68% for PS2 & Wii. If you want to add it to the articale, and GM didn`t enjoy the Werehog on Wii & PS2 because the controls were un-responsive and there was to meny Nighttime acts. So if you want just add this info to the page. (Lukeosarus (talk) 19:01, 17 December 2008 (UTC))

Sonic the Werehog

{{{1}}} Sonic the Werehog (known by some fans as "Werewolf Sonic" or "WereSonic") is Sonic's beastial form in the game Sonic Unleashed. Sonic the Hedgehog was transformed when Dr. Eggman used a machine to painfully suck out the power of the Chaos Emeralds in its entirety from Super Sonic, with which Eggman would fire a specialized laser weapon at the planet, releasing and awakening the creature known as Dark Gaia from the core of the planet. It is stated in-game that it is Dark Gaia's power that causes Sonic's nightly transformation into this form.

Sonic transforms into the Werehog at night, which makes his quest more complicated. When transforming into the Werehog (or transforming back into normal), a cloud of purple smoke envelopes him. Sonic the Werehog also features a different gameplay than Sonic. He attacks with his arms and fists, which can stretch out and punch his foes. Rather than using a counted number of rings, Sonic uses a health bar, though collecting rings refills the bar. Aside from the usual ability of Sonic being able to race down ramps throughout the levels, in Werehog form you must get across gaps in a tightrope walking fashion.

Sonic appears to retain most of his normal abilities in this form as well as the ability to speak, though with more of a growl than normal. Therefore, it can basically just be considered a darker, feral form of Sonic's rather than as a split-personality monster like other interpretations of werewolves. Sonic the Werehog still has Sonic the Hedgehog's good heart, even though he is in a wolf-like form. This is primarily due to his will; it's too strong for Dark Gaia to affect.

In the mini-movie Sonic: Night of the Werehog, Sonic the Werehog unknowingly gained the affection of a female ghost that two male ghosts were trying to impress.

Before the battle with Dark Gaia, Dark Gaia reabsorbed its remaining power that Sonic had incidentally taken at the start of the game, returning Sonic to his default form. It is unknown if Sonic the Werehog will appear in future games.