Talk:Marvel: Ultimate Alliance 2

Archive 1 Archive 2

Penance in = Official

There's a screenshot of him on Gamespot. Stop removing him from the list, guys... 86.164.40.117 (talk) 17:56, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

image got deleted from gamespot for being leaked Hobocrow (talk) 18:05, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

No offense, but it isn't "official" until it's officially announced. A leaked screenshot, still isn't enough for Wiki. Plus, if you're only going by a screen-shot then it could be showing an NPC. WIKI DOES NOT REPORT RUMORS. Until, it's been officially announced by a reputable source it's just that a rumor. You can't add it to the list till it's been confirmed (even if we all know it's true).Flygongengar (talk) 00:13, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

No he is in gamespot also has pictures plus a video of him in it. http://uk.gamespot.com/xbox360/rpg/marvelultimateallianceiifusion/images/0/24/?tag=thumbs_below;thumb;4

not to mention he had a very huge role on the civil war, why wouldnt he be in?--Lbrun12415 00:22, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

If he's in officially released pictures then he can be added to the unconfirmed if playable section of the characters (that includes Bishop, She-Hulk, etc.). As per Wiki's policies, you can't add him to the confirmed playable character list until he's been, you know, confirmed. To do so based solely off pictures would fall under original research which is not allowed.Flygongengar (talk)

@ Lbrun12415, it's not a matter of why wouldn't he be in, or if he deserves to be in. You need a source to cite that says he's playable. Not just pictures.Flygongengar (talk) 00:33, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

yes i know that, but they do have a video of him in the game im trying to find it, he has a mask with spikes on it.. give me a few minutes find it. because I did find the gambit and jean video's.--Lbrun12415 00:37, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Penance's screens and videos are being deleted because he wasn't supposed to be shown yet. There was a screen of him on gamespot and other legitimate sites, now there's not. I do agree with Flygongengar though, Penance should have been put as "unconfirmed as playable" Hobocrow (talk) 00:45, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

A news story about Penance's leaked screenshots being pulled could be cited in the article; we'd just need to be explicit that we're not saying that Penance is in, but that the screenshots were leaked and then pulled. EVula // talk // ☯ // 04:59, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

I think it's fairly certain he is playable since he is not only on the SDCC display but also in a game screenshot (which wouldn't of been removed unless he was playable, look at the Nick Fury pictures). Only playable characters are shown on the display - but if you guys want to leave him as unconfirmed until then I'm fine with that MylesRW (talk) 17:10, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm adding him back to playable, he's in the SDCC trailer and a dev has leaked him on twitter. Can someone do the reference? https://twitter.com/GMRJEN Look at the top entry in reply to "Yeah I figured Penance would be playable"MylesRW (talk) 22:35, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

they just added him to the list but theres no bio when you click on him. I'm guessing he was leaked.--Lbrun12415 06:19, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

i'm able to read his profile on the official site. maybe your computer is just freaking out. Hobocrow (talk) 16:20, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Speedball was confirmed on the second Developer blog of Penance —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mastercarr (talk • contribs) 00:27, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

If he is in the game i think its just going to be the same moveset as penance, minus the hurting himself Hobocrow (talk) 01:57, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

If you read the full blog he refers to them both as Robbie Baldwin, meaning that he's talking about two different sides of Robbie, Speedball and Penance - not two different playables. Given that there's the in-game shot of Speedball at the bottom of the blog, that's either a pre-civil war cutscene model, or an alternate costume --Teancum (talk) 18:40, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Changing pic on the article

There are clearer ones online, like the PS3 game box. Ominae (talk) 03:34, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Nah I wouldn't do that, it would make it look like your favoring the PS3.--Lbrun12415 03:41, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Okay then. Cause I saw some better ones online though. I thought I'd do the same and crop the PS3 boxart to remove all PS3-related stuff on it in case no one objects. Ominae (talk) 04:46, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Ms Marvel

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/sdcc-09-marvel-ultimate/53235 Look at the text 1:45, she's definately in the game. Probably playable too, but we don't know yet. MylesRW (talk) 23:21, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

If Ms Marvel is playable, that leaves one more character to be announced 24.7.20.12 (talk) 23:45, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

correction it will leave two left since Juggernaut doesn’t count as the 24 since he’s an exclusive. And why isn't she on the playable character list? It say Mrs. Marvel and Invisible women something fusion in the video. I say that's a confirmation that she is playable...--Lbrun12415 03:47, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Juggernaut is listed at http://marvelultimatealliance.marvel.com/#/Characters/ and there are spaces for 24 characters on that page. --PseudoChron (talk) 07:07, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Yes that is true there are 24 character but Juggernaut is a gamestop exclusive they had to add him to the box. And At E3 it was sadi he's not part of the 24 so there are still 2 more left to be announced. they prob will add another box with the character or they will take Jug's out. http://www.gamestop.com/Catalog/ProductDetails.aspx?sku=200666

I'll add her to the playable characters list I guess - her performing a fusion is confirmation for me. Not only that but this proves her in the game and if she was an NPC she would've been shown already. Obviously it's unfair to use an assumption as a source, but the Gametrailer's video notes that she can perform fusions which, for me, renders her playable. MylesRW (talk) 13:30, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Agreed. Planewalker Dave (talk) 16:00, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Just to further back this up... NPCs can't perform fusions. Check out the Gametrailers Latveria video with Nick Fury, no Fusion comes up when the left trigger is held as with the rest of the characters. MylesRW (talk) 16:48, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

So has there been a vignette video for Ms Marvel? I think that should be the only time a character can be confirmed as playable. Either that or that Vala guy announcing it on a sourced video. Strydom21.04 08:37, 05 August 2009 (UTC)

when in the world was vision anounced —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.244.132.93 (talk) 19:57, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

seriously who put the Vision on the list?

I removed Vision there's absolutely no evidence stating his playability or even inclusion in the game MylesRW (talk) 20:45, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Upcoming Characters

"Two more characters in Ultimate Alliance 2 are set to be revealed in the coming month with a third and final character 'never to be announced.'" from http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/100/1007593p1.html Hobocrow (talk) 21:37, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Nightcrawler?

where's the proof that Nightcrawler is in the game? 24.7.20.12 (talk) 01:43, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

nevermind he got deleted 24.7.20.12 (talk) 15:56, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

What About Shocker/other villains

Remember the 2nd MUA2 Site when they showed the heroes fighting shocker and Diamondback and others like Lady Deeathstrike. They should be put in the villians sectionMastercarr (talk) 22:06, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Look at Character Art vs Official Confirmation. And just because you type something in the talk page doesn't mean you can add them to the article too. Next time wait until someone says something.--Lbrun12415 22:34, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

The characters are obviously leaked so if you disagree why dont you just delete Ms. Marvel. The villains were leaked first of all and 2nd there villains what do you think your gonna play as them(with all due respect)Mastercarr (talk) 01:57, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, but the difference is that we have physical, reliable proof of any characters on the list. The 'old site' you're talking about got removed and there's no reliable way to prove it was there. It may even be possible (though unlikely) that it was changed because those villains got cut from the game. --Teancum (talk) 02:01, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

That Is because it was leaked it wasn't supposed to be on there, and THEY ARE VILLAINS. THEY ARE PEOPLE YOU FIGHT, IT IS EXTREMELY UNLIKELY THEY WILL BE PLAYABLE YET!Mastercarr (talk) 02:12, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

The villains Green Goblin, Juggernaut, and Venom are playable in this game. You cannot make assumptions; there must be proof. --PseudoChron (talk) 06:16, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Im telling you the old website was leaked and true. and if im right you owe me an apologyMastercarr (talk) 19:15, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

No one said it was a definete no, people just said that they were merely artwork rather than officially confirmed. And i highly doubt it was leaked because they kept it on their for so long. And they had a forum about it! -- Zmanm407 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.250.153.22 (talk) 01:31, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

I already know about the old website -- the point is we don't have physical evidence of it anymore, and being an encylopedia, Wikipedia requires it. That's why they can't be added. --Teancum (talk) 01:47, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Then howcome Diamondback was on the artwork and later on the trailer as well as Lady Deathstrike. FOR THE LAST TIME THEY ARE VILLAINS! tHEY ARE PEOPLE YOU FIGHTMastercarr (talk) 15:10, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

That only confirms that those characters are in the game. It doesn't confirm that you fight them. That's why FOR NOW they're in the other characters section. Hobocrow (talk) 16:29, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Please watch the attitude, Mastercarr. We're not being rude to you, please don't be rude to us. Also remember that the during the Marvel Civil War it wasn't about "Heroes and Villains" it was about pro-reg and anti-reg, with both heroes and villains choosing sides. So whether or not they're a 'bad guy' doesn't apply. We also don't know who is actually confirmed to be "bad" or a "Boss character" aside from those already listed in the villains section, like Hobocrow said, so we can't move them there yet. --Teancum (talk) 17:00, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Im Trying to get you guys to understand that over the past history of games like this those guys were the villains. It's not any different and it is extremely likely that they will be villains since

           a. None of the aformentioned villains were/are Thunderbolts
           b. You have and always will know that they are the bad guys and they are not reformed
           c. They have an intense dislike for any or all heroes that are included in this game.
          and d. They were in the artwork which was pretty much confirmed to be the story so basicly the artwork is legit. Again the artwork and the story share the same likeness
                                      Secret War
                                      Fighting Multiple Villains(E3 09 Villains trailer)
                                      Super Human Registration Act
                                      Captain America recruiting and rallying with the heroes against the Act
                      So as you can see there is no logical reason

for not putting the villains in the Villain section

                      It doesn't make any sense arguing about this I mean the proof was shown to the public and it mirrors the current story 100%. And that is my reason why the villains should be in the villains section. And Im sorry if I offended anybody with my strong arguments in any way. Sometimes I may get Slightly carried awayMastercarr (talk) 02:29, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Hold up I think this guy is right I mean if it werent for mastercarr putting Stan Lee on the list(which no one else probably would have done) We have had an outdated list so maybe hes right about the artwork I mean it really is the exact same thing as the story. I mean dont peanalize me for agreeing with this joker but I think hes right —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.244.132.93 (talk) 02:42, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

You're missing the point. Wikipedia requires 100% factual, reliable and current sources. The fact is the source disappeared for those villains, so we can't put them in. The fact also remains that the developers have said they've made adjustments to the Civil War story to fit gameplay, so we can't assume that a villain in the comics will be a villain in the game. Do I think you're right? Yeah, probably -- but the point is it has to be 100% solid fact for Wikipedia. --Teancum (talk) 04:09, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

In other words, just wait for some sources to appear that don't get deleted. Then you can put them under enemies. Hobocrow (talk) 06:08, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

I guess you guys maybe right but there is a good chance I am right as well. But as you said Wikipedia needs reliable sources. In my opinion I think the data was leaked and blended in really well with the story was talking about, but that site is no longer here so uh.. I guess we will go with this for now. But as the no name user said. You all probably would not have put Stab Lee in the character section, even though he said he would be in the game. But I was here to do that, Im not bragging Im just saying that I really think Im right about this one too. But if you guys want to wait lets wait.Mastercarr (talk) 15:23, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Stan would have been put in eventually since there are multiple sources where he says he's got a cameo. But I definitely will say Thanks! for putting it in first. --Teancum (talk) 15:32, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

I was the first to mention Stan Lee was in the game (in archive 2 of this discussion page), but nobody seemed to care, and I was just too lazy to put it up myself. Hobocrow (talk) 16:26, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Thor

I don't usually comment on these things mainly because everyone starts arguing over the most trivial things which I'm not a fan of, but I just figured I'd voice my opinion on this whole supposed Thor - Pre-Order topic. I checked the site and it merely states that you will recieve a code to "unlock" Thor, which to me says that he will infact already be a playable character in the game to begin with and not, as some have speculated, a Pre-Order Exclusive but simply just a character that will require unlocking as you progress through the game similar to Dr. Strange and others in MU:A 1. X-Men Origins: Wolverine, if pre-ordered from play.com offered an unlock code for his 'classic' costume which could be unlocked anyway where-as if you pre-ordered it from Game then you got an exclusive download for the Weapon X - Training Rooms, much like Juggernaught via. Gamestop & Amazon.

--LloydyJr (talk) 19:20, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Venom

In the blog entry about Gargan-Venom, they mention the Eddie Brock version of the symbiote. How likely is it that they will include the Brock-Venom as a secondary costume for Venom? 75.157.70.71 (talk) 00:41, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

as far as i know there hasn't even been any talk of costumes. Hobocrow (talk) 22:48, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

There has been, by Guha Bala at E3, but all he said was that they were in, none have actually been confirmed 12.71.2.3 (talk) 00:23, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Even if they have eddies venom in it I believe it would still be considered Mac because that's who the Venom for this game is.--Lbrun12415 00:44, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

oh so there is costumes. the more you know! Hobocrow (talk) 00:54, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Yes there will be costumes theres always costume for games like that. we just don't know which ones.--Lbrun12415 05:03, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, you can see the gameplay footage stuff about "kill 9 more evil guys to unlock alternate Juggernaut costume". Planewalker Dave (talk) 07:59, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

well i knew there was costumes in the last game, since i played it. i just didn't hear anything about it being in this game, until now. Hobocrow (talk) 07:23, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

If your a VIP they have a section about it and how VIP will get them 1st and will get so see them all.--Lbrun12415 15:55, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

On the official website the picture of Venom in the Characters section looks similar to Eddie Brock Venom. Though the 3D model, name, newspaper clips and the scrolling background show Gargan Venom. 173.56.59.18 (talk) 20:15, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Take a look at it again it clearly says MAc

First, what VIP section is this because it seems awesome and I would like it if you cleared that up. Second, yes it is Mac Gargan Venom. I don't really care about what the Characters section Venom looks like (Not trying to insult, just that we have to go by what we know not what we think), the point is that the blog about him address him as Gargan Venom not Brock Venom. Atin25 (talk) 02:23, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

when you pre-order the game you get a VIP code for the website, which gives access to exclusive content on the website. from what i've heard the VIP content isn't all that great. Hobocrow (talk) 04:01, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

I am a member of the VIP on the official site. While I am not an active poster on the forums, I do check regularly for updates. The main complaint seems to be the fact that the developers are not releasing any information. In other words, they are taking forever to give the VIP members any kind of news on anything relevant. 12.71.2.3 (talk) 04:12, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

It's not a VIP event. It's the "Things That Go Bump in the Night Part 1" article that addresses Venom. BTW, in the new trailer it shows someone with an enormous cape. Who could it be? (Personally, I think it looks like Magneto)