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Leopard as an Urban animal

Thanks for closely watching the Leopard article. However, I disagree with designating leopards in general as urban animal. If your claim, that in South Africa the leopard is an "urban animal" and a pest, then please do put the article on that subspecies African leopard in to the category. However, even then, it is good if you have a viable reference quoted. I am reverting your edit on Leopard ..sorry Ritigala Jayasena (talk) 04:03, 3 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

African American-Native American marriage

Thanks for the compliment on the Black Indians article. I do not yet know of any specific contemporary books dealing with this direct issue; most work on African-Native American interaction deals with historical intermarriage and associations between the two groups (e.g. William Loren Katz). In the case of African American-Native American marriage, African Americans with Native American ancestry tend marry other Black Indians of similar ancestry rather than a full-blooded Native person. This can add to the complexity. (See http://www.mixedheritagecenter.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1210&Itemid=34 for that discussion.) I am sure there is some literature dealing with modern discussion on the issue; I just haven't found it yet. If you need anything else, please leave another message. Best of luck on your article. Let me know if you have any ideas for any of my work. Until next time! Mappychris (talk) 17:00, 9 January 2008 (UTC)mappychris[reply]

Dinosaur size changes

Hi Mcelite,

Why are you adjusting the respective sizes of Spinosaurus, Giganotosaurus, and Tyrannosaurus? We get a lot of editors who switch the already-referenced numbers around, but the references in Dinosaur size confirm that Tyrannosaurus was neither the longest nor the most massive theropod. These are only estimates, but they are based mostly on peer-reviewed papers and studies of the fossils. Best wishes and happy editing, Firsfron of Ronchester 07:53, 17 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

here is the link to the T. rex third finger discovery. Best, Firsfron of Ronchester 08:34, 17 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, it was pretty surprising to everyone. Firsfron of Ronchester 23:50, 20 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Dinosaur sizes

Hey Mcelite. I'm not sure what you mean when you frequently refer to people "declaring officially" the largest theropod. These things are not declared, estimates are given in various studies based on fossil evidence. All studies since its discovery have recognized Giganotosaurus as larger than Tyrannosaurus. Period. Some specimens that might be larger have been found. However, when these have been actually studied and published on, they were not found to be even as large as Sue. Some, like C-Rex, might be larger, but might not. We won't know until the finds are prepared and studied, and it's not our job as an encyclopedia to speculate about or discuss these finds until the real scientists are able and willing to give official opinions. Spinosaurus was usually ignored when saying which was biggest, but as the article states, it was known to be longer than 45ft even as far back as the 1960s. The new finds in the last three years have simply confirmed this. Every study since has found Spinosaurus to be the largest theropod. Unless new evidence comes to light to disprove this (maybe it had no tail, or was full of helium?), this must be considered official by any serious encylcopedia. Of course there's room for speculation and criticism of these studies, but that must be done on personal web sites, not on Wikipedia. The cites are our foundation. Changing the numbers for information that is backed up by a published source, as it seems you've done, is unethical at best. If you have data points that you think contradict what's in the articles, that's great, but please discuss them before you make changes. Dinoguy2 (talk) 01:42, 21 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Mcelite,
I'm going to back up Dinoguy's comment above and give you the statistics:
  • Spinosaurus: estimates suggest that it was around 16 to 18 meters in length (52.5 to 59.1 ft) and 9 tonnes (9.9 tons) in weight. The paper is: dal Sasso, C.; Maganuco, S.; Buffetaut, E.; and Mendez, M.A. (2005). "New information on the skull of the enigmatic theropod Spinosaurus, with remarks on its sizes and affinities". Journal of Vertebrate Paleontology 25 (4): 888-896. doi:10.1671/0272-4634(2005)025%5B0888:NIOTSO%5D2.0.CO;2.
  • Giganotosaurus: The largest specimen is estimated to represent an individual 13.2 m (43.3ft) long, that weighed 6.2 tons. The estimate comes from Mortimer, M. (2004), "Carnosauria", The Theropod Database, viewed September 17, 2007. http://home.myuw.net/eoraptor/.
  • Carcharodontosaurus: Grew to an estimated 11.1-13.5 meters (36-44 feet) and weighed up to 2.9 metric tons. The sources are Mortimer, M. (2003), "And the Largest Theropod Is....", discussion group, The Dinosaur Mailing List, viewed July 21, 2003. http://dml.cmnh.org/ and Bervoets, F. (2007), "DinoData", viewed September 17, 2007. http://www.dinodata.org/.
  • Deltadromeus: measured an estimated 8.1-~13.3 m (26.5-~43.6 ft) long. The source is Mortimer, M. (2004), "Carnosauria", The Theropod Database, viewed September 17, 2007. http://home.myuw.net/eoraptor/.
  • Tyrannotitan: up to 13.7 metres or 45.6 feet long. The source is: Novas, de Valais, Vickers-Rich and Rich. (2005). "A large Cretaceous theropod from Patagonia, Argentina, and the evolution of carcharodontosaurids." Naturwissenschaften.
  • Tyrannosaurus: grew up to 12-13 m (39.3-42.6 ft) long and weighed 6-8 tons. The papers are: Brochu, C.R. 2003. Osteology of Tyrannosaurus rex: insights from a nearly complete skeleton and high-resolution computed tomographic analysis of the skull. Memoirs of the Society of Vertebrate Paleontology. 7: 1-138, Christiansen, P. & Fariña, R.A. 2004. "Mass prediction in theropod dinosaurs." Historical Biology 16: 85-92, and Henderson, D.M. 1999. "Estimating the masses and centers of mass of extinct animals by 3-D mathematical slicing". Paleobiology 25: 88–106.
These estimates indicate that Spinosaurus was both the longest and most massive theropod dinosaur known, and that Tyrannosaurus was only the third longest and sixth most massive theropod. These numbers are listed at Dinosaur size, with the sources in place. New sources may come out which give different figures. Until they do, these are the numbers we've got. When possible, we try to use papers published in peer-reviewed scientific journals so that the numbers are as accurate as possible. Few of the skeletons are complete, but we're going with numbers published outside of Wikipedia.
When you change the numbers around, or begin to speculate on which ones could be larger, you go from being an encyclopedia editor to an adder of speculative material. This may be fine on a personal website, but cannot be used on Wikipedia because of the no original research policy.
If you have better sources for the sizes (preferably from peer-reviewed journals), please provide them, either here or on talk:Dinosaur size. It should be our goal to provide the best sources of information for our readers, and none of these numbers is set in stone. But none of these estimates were published by Wikipedia editors, which is why your changes have been continually reverted: it appears the material added is your own speculation. Firsfron of Ronchester 08:59, 21 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Mcelite, no worries. As far as I know, Gig and the largest known T. rex were about the same hip height, 3-3.5m, but nobody really publishes these kind of estimates because height depends entirely on the posture of the legs and back, which of course was incredibly variable (that is, nobody knows what stance was 'neutral' for these animals). I agree that there's no good evidence Gig was more massive than Rex, but we need to report the full range of published estimates... which happen to be exactly the same for each species. Various good studies have posited between 6 and 8 tonnes max size for both, so that's what we report. Dinoguy2 (talk) 02:14, 26 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Re:Notability

Articles on Wikipedia must be notable, or in short, they must have been the subject of several reliable, verifiable secondary sources. For instance, an article on Castlevania: Dawn of Sorrow is notable since it has been the subject of several secondary sources (interviews concerning development, reviews from several video game publications). Conversely, an article on my old dog is not notable, as he hasn't been the subject of any significant type of secondary sources. There are some specific notability requirements for certain types of articles (books, people, organizations and companies), and for your purposes, this is Wikipedia:Notability (fiction). To avoid a confusing diatribe on the matter, in short, if you can find information on Kishimoto's conception and development of Ino (why he created the character, what thought went into appearance, personality, abilities, whatever) or reception from other sources (critical reception on her specifically, merchandise released), then you would have a much stronger case for having an article on her. If any of this is confusing, as it inevitably is, feel free to ask me for clarification on my talk page. Cheers, Sephiroth BCR (Converse) 05:51, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If such information was easily found, then she would have an article right now. Merchandise can be found by checking Viz Media's site, or Amazon.com. Critical reception can be found from a variety of sources, so long as the source satisfies WP:RS and WP:V. For instance, you can use an article from the Los Angeles Times or IGN, but not one from a Naruto fansite. Anyhow, it would be best if you created the article in your userspace, and then inquire at Talk:List of major Naruto characters or another related page whether your efforts are enough to satisfy Wikipedia:Notability (fiction). As for the userspace issue, start the page at User:Mcelite/Sandbox. There, you can work at the page at your leisure: consider it your personal workspace for making the article until it's ready. Best of luck. Sephiroth BCR (Converse) 00:17, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
No problem. Sephiroth BCR (Converse) 03:42, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Ino Yamanaka

I made some edits and added some references in the text. I would grateful if you help me with sorting them and editing source code! U is for Uppermind (talk) 05:21, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Americans of Native American descent

Please read Wikipedia's policies concerning verifiability and reliable sources. You can't put articles into categories, including Category:Americans of Native American descent, without reliable sources that indicate the the categorization is accurate. Whether the categorization is "negative, positive, or just questionable", it is supposed to be removed from articles about living people. — Malik Shabazz (talk · contribs) 06:05, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I saw that you added Rosa Parks and James Earl Jones a few days ago. — Malik Shabazz (talk · contribs) 08:41, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I'm very sorry. You're right, their articles do discuss their Native heritage. Sorry. — Malik Shabazz (talk · contribs) 08:47, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome

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I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your messages on [[Wikipedia:talk page|discusWelcome!

Hello, Mcelite, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

"Tired of Crazy Edits" :)

Hi Mcelite,

FYI, adding a {{pp-semi-protected|small=yes}} tag to an article does not do anything to prevent vandalism. If you think an article should be semi-protected so that only established users can edit it, please make a request at Wikipedia: Requests for page protection. If an administrator agrees with you that semi-protection is needed then they will semi-protect the page and add the tag. Cheers, Kla’quot (talk | contribs) 07:11, 23 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Aaliyah

Hi! It's nearly impossible to get unregistered user to stop fiddling with record sales figures. I don't know what it is, but just about every record article has that problem. Anyway, I only found two sources. They appear to be reliable so you can take your pick.

They don't seem to be scraped from Wikipedia so they might be ok to use. I suggest throwing the word "approximate" in there. Figures change all the time which is why it's so hard to find a concrete source for that. Hope that helps! :) Pinkadelica (talk) 16:57, 18 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"Race" vandal

This user...User:ELNUMERO1...is a problem, as addressed by me in this on his or her talk page. Keep a look out for this vandal, who has a serious "race" issue. I know that you've come across this vandal before. If he or she strikes one more time, I'm definitely seeking out to get this vandal blocked. But I really feel that this one needs to be banned. Flyer22 (talk) 09:45, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Just letting you know that this vandal was finally permanently blocked. Flyer22 (talk) 17:08, 6 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Alexa Woods

I only gave it a very brief rewrite. It had too many fair-use images for such a short article, and only one was really needed. Plus the one where she is killing an Alien was from the making-of, not the movie. I plan to go through and dicect the plot and add a little more about her.LordJesseD (talk) 15:23, 10 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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African-Native Americans

While wandering around the web, I came across this page, which I thought might be of interest to you. — [[::User:Malik Shabazz|Malik Shabazz]] ([[::User talk:Malik Shabazz|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Malik Shabazz|contribs]]) 19:46, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Article at AnthroSource.net

Hi. In order to access the article, you have to be a registered member. Have you tried to register? Is there a fee?

If it's a pay site, ask at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Anthropology. You may find somebody there who's a registered member of the site. They may be willing to send you a copy of the article, or copy-and-paste parts of it for you.

Good luck. — [[::User:Malik Shabazz|Malik Shabazz]] ([[::User talk:Malik Shabazz|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Malik Shabazz|contribs]]) 01:38, 19 July 2008 (UTC)



Athletics at the 2008 Summer Olympics - Women's 100 metres

Hi there. I saw that you edited the aforementioned page regarding Torri Edwards' "false start". I have slightly altered the information there, and just wanted to give you a heads up. Orane (talk) 05:50, 24 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I see that you have also added the information to other pages. I've explained both sides of the issue on each page. Orane (talk) 06:17, 24 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, the information that you put down was very biased as you didn't even seek to address the possible reasons the race was not recalled. I don't want the issue to become too personal, but I will say that it's a shame that they (including you) are sore losers. If America had made a clean sweep, no one would have been complaining. It pains you all that another country beat you, and it's quite a pity. Hopefully your golden boy Michael Phelps is clean. And hopefully his win by a nanosecond is also legit. By the way, a Jamaican actually had the second slowest reaction time in the 100m race. She still came in second. If Edwards wanted to win, she should have run faster...Orane (talk) 14:20, 24 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, true. Kerron Stewart said that she thought that a false start had been committed. But there was no false start, as indicated by the reaction times. Honestly, the winner clocked 10.78. She definitely would have won. It's unfortunate that Edwards lost her concentration. But don't blame the Jamaicans. Williams didn't detect any false start, and she also finished poorly. But whatever. There wasn't a false start, and the results are effective until next Olympics. Let's not bother ourselves, please. Orane (talk) 02:28, 25 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Oh no, it's fine. Just like the World Cup, I always get heated over sports (especially track, my favourite). It's all friendly banter. And I look forward to the showdown next Olympics. Actually, how about World Champs next year? Orane (talk) 14:14, 25 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]



Croquette ‎and sources

There appears to be a dispute regarding the sourcing of the Croquette article. Would you mind making a comment on the talk page and explain what constitutes a reliable source? JBsupreme (talk) 07:03, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Cheetah

I just noticed this edit and was curious to know why you thought my edits were vandalism. The only possible thing I could see was that I accidently changed cītā to cita. That was probably done by dumping the page into a text editor to do some search and replacing but would have been accidental. Thanks. CambridgeBayWeather Have a gorilla 03:25, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

OK thanks. I was a bit confused there. CambridgeBayWeather Have a gorilla 15:50, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Stacey Dash

A citation is not needed that she is African American, no more than a citation is needed for Whoopi Goldberg or bi-racial actress Halle Berry being included in the African American category (though their articles do have mentions/citations of their ethnicity). Besides that, there are plenty of valid references that state that Dash is African American, but I do not feel like mentioning that she is African American in her article, in the same way that it is not mentioned in Brad Pitt's article that he is Caucasian. Yes, there is a picture in Brad Pitt's article, and a lot of people would say that that displays his ethnicity, but still... If I were to include a screenshot of Stacey Dash from Clueless in her article to "prove" that she is African American, that does not take away from the fact that she is of other ethnicity as well. Simply mentioning that she is African American is not taking into account the other parts of heritage. Is only having her in the African American category doing the same? Well, her being African American is an undisputed fact, while the other parts of her ethnicity need valid sources before she can be included in those categories. Flyer22 (talk) 20:39, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I responded, of course, on my talk page to your reply to me. Flyer22 (talk) 21:02, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
If you have not noticed yet, and as I stated on my talk page, I added a more valid source that not only states her African American heritage, but also confirms her West Indian and Aztec heritage (the parts of her heritage that you also wanted acknowledged). It's her Variety.com biography. I'm not sure whether Variety is copying a few less valid sites on this matter, since it does not attribute any other source to that information, but Variety itself is a very valid source/site and I'm going with them on this. It is not our job to question whether or not they copied another site. If that article were to state that they did and that site that they copied was not valid, then it would be our job to question that, as well as discard using it.
I also added back the extra categories to her article that you had added, considering that I reverted to that edit of mine and yours combined, except with the more valid reference I mentioned above. Flyer22 (talk)
Coming back to say that I do know where Variety got its source from. It says it comes from inbaseline.com, which I saw but did not know exactly what it meant and only clicked on it some minutes ago. Hmm, does this mean it's like Internet Movie Database (IMDb)? It seems to be more so for solely agents, cast, crew, actors/actresses and other important people in the entertainment industry to submit information about themselves/projects. If we cannot trust these people about their own lives, then why trust other sources about their lives who did not even ask them?
This source seems to be where all those other sites, valid and not so valid, copied some or all of this information. I kind of give up, if we should discard this source. I mean, there are hardly even valid online sources stating her as African American, and that goes for a lot of actors and actresses of any ethnicity. The big news organizations are usually not that pressed to state the ethnicity of actors/actresses and other entertainers. But, really, there is a valid source in Dash's article which talks about her brother having the first publicly traded African American-owned internet company. That's confirmation right there of her African American heritage, unless we are to assume that they are not blood-related or half siblings...where one has African American heritage but the other does not. Flyer22 (talk) 23:47, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I responded again on my talk page, of course. Flyer22 (talk) 03:48, 18 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If someone removes that she is African American, like had been removed for 2 months now, could you make sure to revert that (like I did just now)? For her other heritage to have been there but not her African American heritage is beyond off. Flyer22 (talk) 03:21, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for saying that you will look out for that a bit closer now. Flyer22 (talk) 22:39, 23 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Orphaned non-free media (File:General Parker.jpg)

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Megalyn Echikunwoke

Hi, I noticed you undid the link I added on Megalyn Echikunwoke. It seems I keyed it in wrong (two http://s). Anyway, here is the legit link.

http://www.popentertainment.com/echikunwoke.htm

If you think it is worth using, because it does seem to confirm the fact as requested, feel free to put it back. If you don't think it should be there, no harm, no foul, it can be left out. I'm kind of new at this and still learning the rules. Thanks!

MrHire01 (talk) 19:39, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Meagan Good

If I were you, I wouldn't even worry about the comments on the Meagan Good page. It was good that you answered (I was about to...in a not so nice way), but I highly doubt the person that posted the initial complaint will even follow up. I find those kind of arguments more offensive and racist than the real racist vandalism some articles actually get. Pinkadelica Say it... 07:24, 31 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

As you can see on the article's talk page, the only agenda was to bitch and moan and call people racists. That's all it was ever about. I changed the content yesterday and as far as Ward3001, me and the other editors that weighed in are concerned, it's over. You have done an excellent job of referencing and rewriting that article, so don't even worry about one self admitted instigator. Pinkadelica Say it... 05:01, 2 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

African American

Hi. When more than one editor is removing your material with the explanation that it's off-topic, maybe you should consider that it may be off-topic.

Also, keep in mind WP:3RR. — [[::User:Malik Shabazz|Malik Shabazz]] ([[::User talk:Malik Shabazz|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Malik Shabazz|contribs]]) 18:08, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Hi. It turns out that one of the editors who kept deleting the material was a sockpuppet of

Fclass, who (as you know) has been banned. I've restored it since nobody else has discussed it on the Talk page. — [[::User:Malik Shabazz|Malik Shabazz]] ([[::User talk:Malik Shabazz|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Malik Shabazz|contribs]]) 19:16, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Kerry Washington‎

Thanks for fixing my screw-up -- I lost track of which was the correct date and should have checked the source, doh! – ukexpat (talk) 15:07, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Jada Pinkett Smith

Looks like you were right about Pinkett Smith being "mixed" - according to this new article, she is "Of West Indian, Creole and Portuguese-Jewish descent". All Hallow's Wraith (talk) 06:36, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Slavery of Native Americans

Looks like you have a reference issue with #6, good article. Cliffsteinman (talk) 05:31, 28 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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List of The Boondocks characters

Hello, Mcelite … I (along with you) have reverted the redirects that Some Other Editor did to several articles last week:

I do not believe that there was consensus on merging them, the {{merge}} templates had not been removed, but most importantly, the {{The Boondocks}} template had not been modified to remove the wikilinks for these characters … as I stated on the talk page, I am neutral on the merges, but I feel that there should be further discussion … perhaps an AfD of all four articles (as a group) is the way to go?

Happy Editing! — 138.88.7.48 (talk · contribs) 10:58, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Virginia Indians

I noticed you changed the term "Virginia Indian" back to "Native American" on the Pocahontas page here and I changed it back. I was the one that changed it originally as the tribes in Virginia actually prefer Virginia Indian overall as evidenced by its use in the citation I put when making the change. I also happen to live in Virginia and have a job where I talk about the Virginia tribes. As such I am in a position to know that the tribes in this area have said they prefer that term. I just figured I'd let you know so that you realize it was changed for a reason. This of course only applies to the Virginia tribes as elsewhere other tribes may have different preferences when it comes to the terminology, or no preference at all. Sarah1607 (talk) 01:50, 31 August 2009 (UTC) I disagree.[reply]

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