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CxQL and Checkmarx

Hi Orangemike,

I just updated the pages CxQL (pending deletion) and Checkmarx (still with comments). I think they are much better now (especially Checkmarx), but I want to know if I may remove the pending deletion and/or the remarks. I don't want to do it if the fixes are not good enough yet (I know the pages may then just removed). Am I in the right track? Are there any other changes I might need? I'm sure that in my next pages I will do better, this is my first try... :)

Thanks a lot in advance, Adarw (talk) 08:06, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]


I just saw your comments in the relevant pages' talk section. Thank you, I will fix the problems. Adarw (talk) 16:11, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Sorry to bother again, but is there anything I can do to improve Checkmarx, so that it doesn't have the "citation improvement is needed" tag? Adarw (talk) 08:21, 6 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ukrainian artists - who is notable?

Dear Mike, thank you for your comments on the article "Mickola Vorokhta". Surely he is not Rafael. But there are many people at the Wikipedia pages who never get such achievements in the art as this 62 years old artist. For example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandr_Guristyuk - this person has no artworks in the Ukrainian or other museums, his work never was bought by the Ministry of Culture. He is even not a member of National Art Union. Notable? OR http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borys_Buryak - is he notable? OR http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mychajlo_Dmytrenko Who it was? In Chicago Museum of Ukrainian Modern Art you could find hundreds of such notable artists. OR http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igor_Filippov OR http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene_Garin - of course he's not living person but only Californians remember him OR http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruslan_Korostenskij Who is he? OR http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergey_Kamennoy OR http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sasha_Putrya - many children are died from cancer & leucemia but do you think this small child was/is notable? OR http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Les_Podervyansky - there is very famous Ukrainian man but his original artworks are ... very awesome. He is not a painter. OR http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuri_Padal

May be there are some other similar notable painters - I have not checked all them. Could you specify why all listed people are notable and why Mickola Vorokhta - not?

Going on. At the page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ukrainian_composers you can see name of Svitlana Azarova. She is 33 years old composer and her name is in the list together with such great names as Lysenko or Bortniansky. She is famous? Or Mykola Suk? Or Roman_Yakub? Please advise

Sameera Aziz

After completely rewriting the article, I have removed the COI template as it is no longer relevant. Please keep in mind that there are currently only 2 English language newspapers being published within the borders of Saudi Arabai, and since this author writes for one of them, some minor allowances have to be made. Please also see Women's rights in Saudi Arabia and Media of Saudi Arabia for more information on the reason why information about Sameera Aziz's family is included. According to law in Saudi Arabai, working women must devote equal time to their work and their family, under penalty of public beating. As such, cultural differences must be respected by inserting information about her family while discussing information about her career. With biography articles on women in Saudi Arabia, we have to be somewhat more culturally sensitive to this type of information. Best regards. --OliverTwisted (Talk) (Stuff) 02:55, 4 October 2009 (UTC) [reply]

If Orangemike will permit me to respond on his talk page, I am wondering why the fact that the law in Saudi Arabia requires women to spend equal time on these 2 activities should be regarded as meaning that people writing outside Saudi Arabia must give equal prominence to them. I have read Media of Saudi Arabia several times, and briefly skimmed through the much longer Women's rights in Saudi Arabia and, contrary to OliverTwisted's assertion, I did not notice anything about "why information about Sameera Aziz's family is included". OliverTwisted seems to be implying that there is something special about Saudi Arabia which over-rules Wikipedia's normal notability requirements, but if so I should be grateful if OliverTwisted could spell out explicitly what that something is. JamesBWatson (talk) 09:14, 5 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Family information for biographies of women is given equal weight in Saudi Arabia due to the legal requirements of women working. As such, most of the biography sources used for the article may appear to be vanity sources because they contain significant attention to the role of Sameera Aziz as a wife and mother, which is natural in the culture of Saudi Arabia. My point was that by observing cultural differences, we can move from "Shameless spamvertisement for journalist, unsalvageably hagiographic." [1] to some appropriate maintenance templates, especially after I rather mercilessly pared down the article to basic information. The author who created the article would naturally want to avoid only listing Sameera Aziz's journalistic contributions, because in Saudi culture, that would be viewed as a "hit piece," implying that Sameera Aziz was not fulfilling her obligations as a wife and mother... which in Saudi Arabia can get her beaten in a public square. As editors of the "English Wikipedia," there are going to need to be some reconciliations between Western English culture and the culture of English speaking populations in India, Pakistan and even Saudi Arabia. This may mean allowing a more fluid structure for biographies of persons from those cultures, or at the very least, some basic cultural sensitivity on the AfD boards. I'm sorry if my point was otherwise interpreted. At the present, the Family section of this particular article would not seem to include any information that would not appear in any other biographical stub. --OliverTwisted (Talk) (Stuff) 09:38, 5 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Anthony Carr (psychic)

Nice. Winter is here! - CobaltBlueTony™ talk 18:14, 7 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

User talk:LA Emergency Management (EMD)

While I have no wish to get into an argument, I'm not sure I would support your actions with this user. The Los Angeles Emergency Management Department is a public agency, not the Acme Snake Oil Company, and I thought the information (although a copyvio) was informative rather than promotional. In the interest of "full disclosure", I have referred to this particular incident at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/new users in the section on speedy deletion - not as a criticism of yourself, but as an example of something that was being referred to about the usage of speedy categories. --Elen of the Roads (talk) 00:51, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Your deletion of Lowe Alpine

I wonder if you would consider restoring this article. It's history indicates that the overt spam was recently added, and there are versions that are not blatant spam. Beeblebrox (talk) 21:43, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Bad Boys Blue

I don't want to start an edit war. I've tried to engage Esoteriqa but didn't have much luck. What would be the next step in a case like this? Rees11 (talk) 20:28, 10 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-resolved now. Thanks for your help. Keep up the good anti-spam work. Rees11 (talk) 20:19, 12 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi

HI —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jimb0onwheelz (talk • contribs) 22:16, 10 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]


orange.....

Thanks for the delete of my page...it took me months to compile...now to be honest i`m not going to be too hard on you as just looked at your picture and to be honest the beard makes you look like a total geek..the type of person i would expect to be in admin on wiki...i am orange mike cause i like orange... well im steve prick because i cant stand pricks like you who distroy peoples work...without people you are nothing!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Newshomesarchive (talk • contribs) 07:58, 11 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Retirement?

Hi Mike,

Just to avoid any possible offence on your part, I'd like to point out that my rant against admins is directed against a whole bunch of people, and you're not one of them. We've had our disagreements, I'm still not sure I trust the speed of your trigger finger, but on the topic of "bad articles on good subjects" I might even have come round to your point that it's better to delete and start again!

Throughout it though, you've always struck me as an honourable guy who had firm principles and stood by them. You certainly taught me the importance of WP:AGF, both as a principle (which I might guess your Quaker background encourages?), and also as a pragmatic policy that simply does make things work better in the limited communications bandwidth of teh intawebs. Sadly though, I don't have quite your talent at implementing it!

The retirement flag is pretty serious. I might keep it up, I might not. It's not just about this last farce, it's something I've increasingly felt for a while now. I've worked pretty hard on a few articles over the last couple of weeks and although a few people with similar interests (engineering history) did comment appreciatively on them, it's not about appreciation: I'm too selfish for that, I'm just doing it because I find having a direction for studying something more interesting than just reading books in their order on the pile.

What upsets me though is the general lack of respect for content. There's an obsession with policy and politics, and too many people lose sight of the encyclopedia. I'm personally affronted when vandals do something to harm that, but "admins" (as a sheer generalization, sorry!) would rather pick on some easy policy issue from either side that they can latch on to to do something about, than they would look at which is beneficial or harmful. There's the old saw that those who can do, those who can't teach. I think hereabouts too many of them become admins. Then as they are admins, some adminning must be done! No matter whether it's good or bad, if it's a policy they can latch onto, they get to play the big role.

We've lost good editors: Peter Damian (who deserved better), MickMacNee who writes great stuff, only to have them slated for removal as soon as he publishes them - when he's between blocks of course, because this continual antipathy to his good work would wind anyone up. So some editors go to the Dark Side. Why bother with WP:AGF, when no one assumes it of you yourself? I'd rather not go down that route, hence the retirement.

I'll probably be back. I don't have the strength of will to resist! Far too much of a geek. A break probably would be beneficial though. Either way though, you were one of the good guys. Thankyou. Andy Dingley (talk) 22:32, 11 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Your opinion appreciated

Hi Orangemike; at your convenience, would you have a look at [2]? A vanity piece in need of copyediting at the least, but has some legitimate references. Question is, are they enough to meet notability? JNW (talk) 23:07, 11 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Upper case smith

You're right, of course. It should be E. E. Smith, not e.e.smith (e.e.cummings we had to do at school, but I can't say I've read him since). I doubted anyone would get that reference :) you definitely win the balloon. --Elen of the Roads (talk) 23:15, 11 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

the lensman blasted
into space
his ship will surely
win the race
              — e e smith               — Sizzle Flambé (☎/✍) 01:23, 15 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hipstamatic

Here is another article you should look at: Hipstamatic. I do not know if this is a hoax or the real thing. I always thought Wikipedia should have a wall of fame for the best hoaxes and this may be one of them. Hope you are well-RFD (talk) 12:25, 12 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wisconsin Legislature

I look at the current Wisconsin Legislature and I share your concern. For example there is no article about Michael Huebsch who was speaker of the Wisconsin Assebly when the Republicans were in control in 2007. It sounds like there is some backlog. Also I know the feeling about being bugged about an article that should be written. For example Christopher Sholes who invented the typewriter-he was in both houses of the Wisconsin Legislature. But he also has an older brother Charles Sholes who was also in both houses of the Wisconsin Legislature and served as mayor of Kenosha, Wisconsin. It bugged me that Charles Sholes did not have an article. I finally wrote an article about Charles Sholes. There are some other articles that should be written. For example in the Coon Valley, Wisconsin article there is a redlink for Brian Rude who was in both houses of Wisconsin Legislature and served as President of the Senate. The same can be said about the late Paul Offner who also served in the Wisconsin Legislature both houses and later resigned from the Senate to return to public health. Paul Offner died 4-5 years ago. I will see what I can do-hopefully some wikipedians will come a long to help-Thanks-RFD (talk) 22:50, 12 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Escape Route

This seems to be an advance EP with songs from the upcoming album. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 23:45, 12 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Shawn Mitchell

Hi Mike I was wondering if this complies with Wikipedia procedures.

During an August 31st 2009 hearing of a legislative committee tasked with investigating alleged abuses by the state’s workman’s compensation insurer, Mitchell told a witness at the conclusion of his testimony that if he was nervous he should “relieve that” by “imagining the chairwoman in her underwear.” [Chairwoman: State Senator Morgan Carroll]. [1]

"It certainly looks like Shawn Mitchell singled out the chairwoman of the committee, Sen. Carroll, with his sophomoric, suggestive comment for no other reason than her gender and position of authority. How childish of him to insult not just Sen. Carroll, but women everywhere who daily face the silliness of sexism and trivialization in our culture," said former Lt. Governor Gail Schoettler. "As a former elected official who's been subjected to behavior like Mitchell's in the past, I believe that we have to call this out every time it happens, and we absolutely must hold elected officials who stoop so low accountable." A Colorado state senator has apologized for suggestive remarks he made about the chairwoman of a legislative committee earlier this month.

Republican Sen. Shawn Mitchell of Broomfield apologized September 18, 2009 and said his remarks about Democratic Sen. Morgan Carroll of Aurora were inappropriate and unprofessional. Mitchell says he was trying to make a witness feel comfortable when he said that when he's nervous about testifying before a committee, "I relieve that by imagining the chairwoman in her underwear." Carroll told Mitchell she accepted the apology. DENVER (AP)

References: [1] Quote by former Lt. Governor Gail Schoettler [2] Denver (AP)

Eyeonyou (talk) 01:46, 13 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

For reverting this. Useight (talk) 13:52, 13 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Common bond, Bond of association

Thank you for fixing the common bond redlink at Prince George's Community Federal Credit Union. I have just created a redirect at Common bond to Bond of association in case anyone else adds the phrase "common bond" to an article about a credit union. -- Eastmain (talk) 02:45, 15 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Reliable Sources

Thank you for clarifying the blacklisting of a site. Although it is still unclear to me how "partisan" character of a site can be determined simply because it is a wordpress site. I can buy a server with a domain name and can still be as or more partisan :-) Is there a way to request for admins to look into the site and then consider for an un-ban?

Thank you! Vinter-light (talk) 03:35, 15 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Improving article Jeffrey Hyland

Hello there Orangemike. This article has the same issue as Lockwood's (advert.). I believe a good deal of rewriting has also been done here, with the help of other editors as well. I hope you'll also have some time to review the material for me? If there are other improvements I need to work on, I'd be glad to know your inputs/advice. Thanks a lot. Jxc5 (talk) 09:21, 15 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Christie's Estates

I think it might make it due to 3rd part coverage of the sales. I gave it the needed trim, or, more exactly, the needed major cutting & rewording. DGG ( talk ) 15:35, 15 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Woodland Fairy Acres

Hi Orangemike,

Thank you for your response. I am currently working with one of your other editors to create a Woodland Fairy Acres article that meets Wikipedia's guidelines. I greatly appreciate the continued help and guidance from all of the editors I've spoken with.

Thanks so much again!

Flwr petal fairy (talk) 16:06, 15 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I am indeed attempting to help and see if we can find sources and such to establish notability. Would you be willing to restore it so Flowr can userfy it with help? Hell In A Bucket (talk) 16:08, 15 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

EKSRTD

Since you deleted EKSRTD per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/EKSRTD, would you mind closing the related AFD? Thanks! WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 18:15, 15 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

User talk:The Idiot Bastard Son

Nice work Mike, how long before User:Titties & Beer turns up I wonder. RMHED 02:22, 16 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Help with The Fellowship

I noticed you weighed in on the content dispute and offered a comprise position. Well as you know, there is a bit of a content dispute in that article especially between myself and a pair of editors (one of which when I checked his talk page showed a history of hostility), User:Goethean and User:Frankpettit. Check the article history page, those two have basically been working as a tag team to work around the 3RR. That aside, would you be willing to informally mediate this dispute on the talk page? I am totally willing to accept your comprise opinion on the dispute. EricLeFevre (talk) 15:29, 16 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I had to edit the last post, I incorrectly accused someone else who is not involved in the dispute, my apologies. EricLeFevre (talk) 15:31, 16 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Tag team :)

Hi, Orangemike! I think we have a bit of a tag-team going on here. I seem to be finding a fair number of role/promotional accounts, and you seem to be the one blocking em. So, I think we're a tag team! Basket of Puppies 19:34, 16 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

As long as neither of us falls into the deadly trap of automatically deleting, without giving fair thought to the realities of the case. I was once praised for the rapidity of my deletions, and this bothered me a great deal (as I think it should). Sure, there are the easy ones (the "my girlfriend is a hot chick" and "buy our Cialis" articles); but there are genuinely difficult cases as well. I take pride as a "deletionist" in the number of articles I've been able to save from unwarranted speedy deletion. --Orange Mike | Talk 21:36, 16 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
OM, yes, I very much agree. So far, my reports of username violations have been pretty obvious. The more complicated ones, such as this I go to the source and try to find out more information. Cheers! Basket of Puppies 21:55, 16 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Foundations of the Spanish kingdoms

Foneio has reinstated the article that was replaced with a redirect. I've replaced the redirect to the History of Spain article. Maybe you could help keep an eye on the article? Is there some kind of warning or action that we could take? ~~ Dr Dec (Talk) ~~ 10:36, 17 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Frank Magana

Sir, Why was the post Frank Magana removed. I would think that you would warn or give some explanation for such an action. I had to search rather rigorously to find out that you had deleted it. He is a significant character in that he was the Artist that Created many of [Frank Lloyd Wright] and [Bruce Goff] Buildings, art and furniture. Its amazing that a man that does the work for the famous artists isn’t mentioned anywhere. We were in the midst of linking him to many well known architects and artists when you deleted him. If you personally do not know the artist is that a reason to delete him? Do you have that expertise? Please replave the article so I may save it off before you delete it permanently.

Thank you.

(Mark.crabtree (talk) 07:48, 20 October 2009 (UTC))[reply]

Hi Mike

Orange Mike my name is Darnell Clark I've been trying to create a page for the Dukes of DaVille and it has been deleted. I am not doing the page for a shameless advertisement plow. I want to make sure when people are researching this group they can find their information and it can be located and archived on this particular encyclopedia. I feel that the Dukes of Daville have enough credits and enough relevant contant to have a page on Wikipedia. Please let me know what we are either lacking or what we need to take out to allow this page to exist. Thanks for your time and consideration. <redacted e-mail> —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrdarnelclark (talk • contribs) 17:00, 20 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

We're talking about the same article, right? The one that starts, "The Dukes of DaVille offer audiences a balanced blend of excitement, enlightenment, and entertainment with a live show that's guaranteed to keep them begging for more. Their high-energy performance displays a chemistry that has been cultivated throughout the course of their childhood bond. With the Dukes infectious hooks and dope tracks they create fans instantly. Their lyrical delivery and rhyme scheme gains much respect from most skilled writers and seasoned vets."? That is a totally shameless advertising plug, and has no place in this encyclopedia. I assume you have some connection with them, and am doing you the courtesy of accepting that you actually believe them to be notable. If this is the case, I suggest you make a request for the creation of an article at Wikipedia:Requested articles/music/Performers and bands, providing solid reliable sources (not blogs, Facebook, etc.) and disclosing your conflict of interest in the matter, if any. --Orange Mike | Talk 17:23, 20 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Don't Delete Peoples Work, help Them

Mike, don't be rude and delete my pages, please give me back the info on Jeffrey Chase that you deleted. I am willing to learn and get the page up, but deleting it is a waste of my time. Contact me and lets work through this for a positive solution. Thank you! PeopleWriter (talk) 22:41, 20 October 2009 (UTC)PeopleWriter[reply]

Mike, help me with the Jeffrey Chase bio. I want your help on this one, he meets the criteria you referenced too, I will build it in the User page first then present it for publishing. Thank you! PeopleWriter (talk) 00:02, 21 October 2009 (UTC)PeopleWriter[reply]

There is nothing there to create an article with. This was spam, along with 21 Magazine. --Orange Mike | Talk 01:50, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Mike, help me build this house. I don't have any bricks, but I have all this straw, and a truckload of dandelion fluff to hold it together.... — Sizzle Flambé (☎/✍) 03:04, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

User/talk page redirects

Encountered a redlink "User:OrangeMike" (with capital M), so followed it and created userpage & talkpage redirects to you, to catch such miscapitalisations. If for any reason this is not desirable or helpful, please accept my apologies and delete at will. — Sizzle Flambé (☎/✍) 04:36, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

List of Roman Catholic United States Supreme Court justices

You summarily deleted this, even though there had been a protest. I would have liked to put the new content in the redirect, but it's gone now. There was a discussion on categories that I am aware of, but not on this article or the subject matter as far as I know. Your arbitrary, and unilateral action will not stand. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 15:18, 21 October 2009 (UTC) Stan[reply]

7&6=thirteen needs to calm down, but I do believe that your (Orangemike's) interpretation of the article as an effort to circumvent the CfD is incorrect. The article was actually created by the nominator of the CfD and used as justification for deletion of the category as the information would not be lost. An argument could be made for merger into Demographics of the Supreme Court of the United States, but I'd not like to see the table and time-line graph lost. -- ToET 15:34, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I was not aware of "the prior decision." There was certainly no intent to circumvent anything. I know only of the prior decision (which I strenuously opposed) regarding Categories.
This was all referenced and was not "original research." Your ironic suggestion that I could use it would be more sincerely appreciated if I could access it. Indeed, I think this belongs in the article where there is the new redirect.
I would also note that the warning of he impending deletion said that it would not happen if there was an objection,. Evidently those rules (and promises) don't apply to you.
I have no idea where to access the deleted article. Cann you send me a link?
I apologize for any misunderstanding. But I do not like being steamrolled, and that is what happened here7&6=thirteen (talk) 15:41, 21 October 2009 (UTC) Stan[reply]
I would also add that I was content with it being a "list." All of my edits TODAY were in direct response to the ultimatum to improve the article or have it be deleted. Well, I improved it; and you deleted it. No quid pro quo there. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 15:45, 21 October 2009 (UTC) Stan[reply]
Moved the old version to User:7&6=thirteen/OldListArticle for your convenience. Hope this helps. --Orange Mike | Talk 15:52, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 15:54, 21 October 2009 (UTC) Stan[reply]

Formal Complaint About To Be Filed Against You

 You have deleted my work that I had been working on. Please "Respect" my time as I will respect yours. I didn't want to use the heading above to be viewed as a threat in anyway, I am using it to get your attention to help me.  I asked the other "admin" people who like to "delete' pages rather than create them to help during this process, I have spent numerous hours trying to work with "admin" with little success.  If I don't get a positive solution in 24 hours, I will be filing a formal complaint with Wikipedia.  I didn't create the page two years ago, I am merely adding information and solid references along with authorized images only to have them deleted.  You want to set up a conference call with me, I will gladly give you my number.  Please don't hide behind the internet by being introverted. I realize a lot of you are overweight, unhealthy, and/or not happy with your lives in general (I can help you turn your life around, just ask).

 I agree the 21 Magazine page needs to be worked on, but to be fully deleted?  I am not looking for any rebuttals from you, I am looking for a solution.  If you have the time to delete and make negative comments, you have the time to also help me and make a difference.  The point is, please don't burn a bridge with me, help me and we can move forward.  Modelmanager (talk) 20:06, 21 October 2009 (UTC)Modelmanager[reply]
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