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May 30, 2006Peer reviewReviewed
June 18, 2006Featured article candidateNot promoted
April 5, 2007Good article nomineeListed
November 7, 2007Good article reassessmentDelisted

A380 FAA thrust reverser requirement - please verify

I question the validity of this. I can not find any reference to the FAA mandating that the A380 have thrust reversers.

The A380 was initially planned without thrust reversers, as Airbus believed it to have ample braking capacity. The FAA disagreed, and Airbus elected to fit only the two inboard engines with them. The two outboard engines do not have reversers, reducing the amount of debris stirred up during landing. The A380 features electrically actuated thrust reversers, giving them better reliability than their pneumatic or hydraulic equivalents, in addition to saving weight.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 160.253.101.176 (talk • contribs)


I agree with you that this is a questionable statement. It is up to the manufacturer to decide whether a thrust reversers system is used or not. Airworthiness authorities will not demand it as it is stated here. --Iediteverything (talk) 18:10, 14 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Quartz-fiber

Why is this page the redirect from "Quartz-fiber"?!?!?! I wanted to read about quartz fiber and ended up here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.231.171.59 (talk) 03:15, 14 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Quartz fibers are in "Quartz-fiber reinforced plastic" composite, which is used on the A380. [1] -Fnlayson (talk) 04:35, 14 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I do not really understand why the redirect, there is even a wiki link on this page to Quartz Fiber that is a circular loop back to this page... Why not start a new page detailing what quartz fiber is? RP459 (talk) 14:30, 21 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It does not appear to be a great deal of info on it on the web. Adding a sentence or two at Composite material would have been a better start. -Fnlayson (talk) 14:38, 21 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
So if I am understanding correctly it is more a case that quartz fiber was developed for this project... In which case this seems a reasonable solution in the short term. RP459 (talk) 14:53, 21 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I didn't create the Quartz redirect and don't know that detail. But it is unlikely Airbus would use a new and unproven material. -Fnlayson (talk) 15:01, 21 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

YouTube Video Link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hRCvyj6O8g

I think this video would be a nice addition to the wikipedia article on the Airbus A380. It demonstrates just one of the well documented teething troubles the new impressive A380 has suffered since EIS. It would also seek to clarify that such an event does not always end in disaster and that the skills of the pilots and Air Traffic Control are there to ensure the safety of the aircraft and all of her passengers and crew. This is the second time this aircraft VH-OQA (MSN 14) QANTAS A380 has suffered a problem with the steering system - once being stuck at Heathrow overnight while engineers fixed the problem.

It would be interesting to have a section detailing such incidents to show that it is not uncommon for such teething problems to occur and to show just how complicated a machine the A380 really is.

McpcshowcaseHD (talk) 13:37, 21 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's not encyclopaedic. Plus Wikipedia isn't the place to promote your own videos or your YouTube channel. In addition we have no way of knowing if you took the footage or if it is copyrighted by someone else which is why we generally don't link to YouTube. Canterbury Tail talk 15:11, 21 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

External links

Yesterday, I blitzed this article's External links section, stripping it down to a bare minimum and an acceptable size. This was then reverted as "This large list of links has historical reasons: Parts of the Wikipedia-text were relocated. Other links are useful."

I haven't been around this article before, so I'm not going to challenge that there are such "historical reasons". Anyhow, I've gone ahead and removed the bullet points: "A380 overviews and technical data", "A380 photos" and "A380 videos" because they really needed to go. External links are an important part of the Wikipedia page. They allow the user to quickly and easily find more information on the topic and go into more depth. However, a long list of related media (some of which were just links to searches on popular video-hosting websites) don't help anybody.

Picture it this way. You have an interest in the the Airbus A380. Maybe you're writing a newspaper article or a school report on it. You read the Wikipedia article and think, "Great! Now I've got a background on the subject and I want to know some more!" You scroll down and... see a whole load of links, with little organisation, which fill your screen. You have no idea where to click, you have no idea what the links are about. The section is an awful mess and the likelihood is that most people give up. The worst parts were undoubtedly the media I removed. Multiple links on one line is not a good idea.

So, editors, I urge you not to revert my changes again and to accept that the media lists have no place in the External links. I also strongly suggest that there is more discussion about which other links could be removed. "Historical reasons" are all well and good, but we can't link to everything, and this article will never become a Good article again with an EL section like it currently is. Greg Tyler (t • c) 20:56, 3 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

(+) Perhaps it would help to take heed from other Airbus articles. The 350 has two external links, the 340 has six, the entire 320 family have three. This article has 19, after I removed 23 of them. In comparison to other, similar articles, it appears obvious that this one has far too many links. Greg Tyler (t • c) 21:01, 3 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Possible copyvio issues

In the Airbus A380#Passenger provisions section, a ref to http://www.globalaircraft.org/planes/airbus_a380.pl is cited. I checked this site, and discovered that large portions of its text are identical to huge sections of the Design section in the WP A3800 article. Since the Global Aircraft site is copyrighted, either the WP article is in copyvio, or the cite is using WP content without attribution. It's about 3:30 am where I am now, so I'm not going to troll through the history tonight to discover when this was all added, and by whom. I'll try tp get to it tomorrow if no one elses has found any answers by then. Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 07:29, 3 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Probably a copy from Wikipedia?? Check the dates of creation. Wispanow (talk) 19:00, 18 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Just had a look via Internet archive There was no such text on this site per 01/2008. Wasn't there a problem with this site a while back noted on WP:Air whith this site copying text from all over the net, especially from vectorsite? --Denniss (talk) 13:29, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

First operational problem

An A380 suffered an engine failure recently and returned to Paris instead of continuing to Singapore. Is this worth a mention in the article? Mjroots (talk) 11:31, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Airbus says it "was a "non-event" in technical terms". Wispanow (talk) 14:30, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Environmental Performance

Does anyone have data for the environmental performance of the A380; notably CO2-Eq. per passenger km? There should probably be a section on it. I've heard a lot of conflicting data on whether the A380 emits more or less CO2 per passenger km and it seems like the sort of item that should be in Wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 157.203.42.175 (talk) 15:47, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Update from OP; I've noticed that there is a section on CO2 very briefly within the fuel subsection, but just to clarify my point above (incase anyone decides what is there is enough) - whilst CO2 emissions from a given value of fuel are vital, efficiency of the engines, loading and other factors are are important in determining a useful figure that can be used to compare with other aircraft, that is CO2 per passenger km (CO2 per km is less relevant for aircraft because a small plane would emit substantially less CO2 than an a380 but since it would typically carry 100 times less passengers, the foorprint per passenger would be much greater. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 157.203.42.175 (talk) 08:47, 6 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Airbus A380/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: ---Dough4872 15:35, 8 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comments:

  1. Superjumbo links to a disambiguation page and is probably unnecessary to link.
  2. The lead of the article does not need to be cited unless that information is unique in the article. Also, the lead is supposed to be a summary of the information to be presented in the article.
Made several changes, only one reference remaining, advise if more changes are necessary.
  1. "The aircraft’s final configuration was frozen" sounds awkward.
Reworded
  1. "New wider roads, canal systems and barges were developed to deliver the A380 parts": add "and" in between "new" and "wider".
  2. Can you combine the standalone sentence at the end of the Production section with the prior paragraph?
  3. Citation needed for "The aircraft flew from Toulouse with 474 Airbus employees on board, in the first of a series of flights to test passenger facilities and comfort. In November 2006, a further series of route proving flights took place to demonstrate the aircraft's performance for 150 flight hours under typical airline operating conditions."
  4. In sentence "This caused overall configuration management problems, at least in part because wiring harnesses manufactured using aluminium rather than copper conductors necessitated special design rules including non-standard dimensions and bend radii: these were not easily transferred between versions of the software", change the colon to a semicolon.
  5. "delivery would slip by six months" sounds awkward, change to delivery would be delayed by six months".
  6. Debold terms in the Overview section.
  7. In sentence "This enables the widespread use of laser beam welding manufacturing techniques[107] — eliminating rows of rivets and resulting in a lighter, stronger structure.", citation should be moved to the end of sentence.
  8. In sentence "It eliminates the bulky manuals and charts traditionally carried by pilots, the NSS has enough inbuilt robustness to eliminate onboard backup paper documents.", change comma to semicolon.
  9. In sentence "Singapore Airlines offers twelve partly-enclosed first-class suites on its A380, each featuring one full and one secondary seat, a full-sized bed, desk, personal storage.", add "and" after last comma.
  10. "COO John Leahy", delink COO to not have two touching wikilinks.
  11. Is there a citation available for the Orders and deliveries by year table?
  12. Can you add a citation for the unsourced statement in the Operators table?

I am placing the article on hold. ---Dough4872 15:35, 8 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The article looks good now, so I will pass it. ---Dough4872 15:45, 9 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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