User talk:DESiegel

Intro

Procedure

This is my talk page. Please add new messages to the bottom of the page, Please sign all msgs with four tildes (like this ~~~~). Click here to start a new topic. DES ^(talk) 03:48, 7 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I will generally preserve all comments, positive or negative, and archive them when the page gets too large. But I may choose to delete vandalism or nonsense. I would generally prefer that other editors not remove anything from my talk page. Thank you for communicating with me. DES ^(talk) 03:48, 7 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Any removals of content from my talk page may be reverted by rollback with or without notice. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 14:11, 23 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I may respond on your talk page, or under your comment here. If i respond here I will notify you with a {{talkback}} template, or a ping, or both, unless you have asked me not to, or have asked editors in general not to so notify you (as some editors do). DES ^(talk) 21:11, 22 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If I have left a comment on your talk page, or on an article talk page, you may respond where i left the comment, or here. If you respond where i left the comment, to keep the thread together, dropping me a note or placing a {{talkback}} or {{tb}} template on this page, or pinging me by including {{U|DESiegel}} in a signed talk page comment will probably mean that I see your comment and respond sooner. Please consider doing so. DES ^(talk) 00:23, 25 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Please do not edit the header template (User:DESiegel/TPHdr) used to display these header sections of the talk page unless there is a problem with it -- that template is not a good place to leave messages for me. DES ^(talk) 21:11, 22 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome

Welcome!

Hello DESiegel, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you have any questions, check out Wikipedia:Where to ask a question or ask me on my talk page. Again, welcome! --Flockmeal 20:21, Feb 10, 2005 (UTC)

@DESiegel: Hi there. My wiki interest is editing food pages and you'll see I edit and improve mostly food pages in my time on wiki. I'm currently in a discussion with you and others in relation to the page foodporn. I'd like you to kindly investigate users Hogohit and Praxidicae. An investigation of Special:Contributions/Hogohit proves this is merely a vandalism account (as they just created this account 2 days ago with the sole purpose of deleting/vandalising foodporn and 'food porn'. Further, if you look at Special:Contributions/Praxidicae, this user just makes wholesale edits, speedy deletion requests, and deletes whole slabs of edits and content on multiple pages without any kind of justification or rationale. This is not helpful for new users trying to learn how to be a wiki editor. I think both users should be perma banned for vandalism. Thanks for your time. PS: apologies my 'wiki speak' still needs some work. I'm learning as I go :)

Just in case your idea of npov .......

Read this: http://wardchurchill.net/blog/ Also take note that the "American Civil Liberties Union" is backing Churchill Albion moonlight 11:31, 1 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Escoffee

Mr. Siegel,

You deleted the Escoffee page. However, Escoffee is a legitimate coffee company from Ecuador. You do have pages on other (large) companies. So why not this one. The description was factual, stating when it was founded, what its activities are and so on. I don't understand why this company page was deleted.

Sincerely, Jeromekruft 16:25, 1 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That's good

Before I wrote my previous message I had just had a look at the Ward Churchill main article for the first time in a week or so. It too is very biased. I decided that since 5 days had gone by, Now might be a good time to get the ball rolling on the issues article. And by that I mean seeing to it that those who believe thy are capable of being neutral are informed of Churchills side of things. If every source that backs Churchills side of things is disallowed under one pretext or the other then I will have a better idea of how to proceed. Albion moonlight 23:07, 1 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

THAT IS UNDERSTOOD

If Ward Churchill's blog claims he said this or that it is fair to claim that he did in fact say it. Such evidence can and should be used. Not as facts but as a representations of what he had to say. By quoting or paraphrasing him directly from his website or other sources we can at least make the claim that we made an honest attempt at being neutral . Otherwise we can't. It is really quite that simple. There are editor who have denied him even that much. Albion moonlight 05:38, 2 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Essay

I'd love for you to take a look at it. I've been working on it for several hours, and while I'm not finished, I'm over halfway there, and would love input. Do you have email enabled? I'd rather not post the link here, if you understand, simply because it is not officially published, and I've seen the havoc caused by the TTR page. :) ^Ariel♥Gold 17:15, 2 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Heh, yes I know about that feature, but not everyone does, just to let you know, it is the -2 version, not the original paste of convo from the talk page. I too prefer to do the conversing here when related to Wikipedia, but I just didn't want to get in "trouble" for this essay, ahead of approval/input, hope you understand! And I look forward anxiously to your thoughts and review. ^Ariel♥Gold 17:24, 2 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Frequent refreshing advised

Moonpod DRV

I'm not trying to be obtuse, but is what you're saying in essence that if we cannot tell whether an award is utterly trivial then that uncertainty becomes sufficient assertion of notability to not apply A7? So if an assumption needs to be made, or discretion employed, A7 doesn't apply because the assertion of notability has been made? Carlossuarez46 18:34, 2 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the response. I will say that there are a bunch of divergent points of view and thanks for the benefits of yours. For a sanity check, if the notability is "contentious" (as such word is used in WP:BLP) would that sway you? I came across one recently at Afd that I might have been tempted to speedy on notability because if the unsourced contentious stuff were removed there was little left asserting notability. But again, "contentious" (no pun intended) is not a settled concept (is being affiliated with a music group that puts out lyrics that would make a sailor blush contentious? If not for a rap singer would it be contentious as applied to an evangelical pastor?) Carlossuarez46 21:44, 2 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oops. I guess I misphrased it: Assume we have an article with no sources at all, where the sole assertion of notability: "Mr. X performed with band in making their second album." or "Mr. X was a member with group in their second job." Assuming both band and gang are notable, but that the band and album were ones that you wouldn't let grandma hear and the group and job was of the not-quite-legal sort. Reading BLP broadly, either of those unsupported statements is contentious and BLP would say remove them - let's even further assume that after a quick search still no sources can be found (so we've gone an extra step). If the removal of the claim removes the assertion of notability is the article in jeopardy of A7 or should the BLP issue be ignored/deferred and the article prod'ed or afd'ed and let consensus decide whether there is a BLP issue and if so, whether deletion is proper. Carlossuarez46 22:01, 2 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

BLP is not so common, but no so rare to not consider it. Since many of the A7 bios are unsourced it does come up a little more often in their case than in editing articles on ancient cities, tribes, and personages (which I do more than occasionally). Carlossuarez46 22:04, 2 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That's an interesting take: granted members of a band known for raunchy lyrics cultivate that image and is not contentious, but until we have a source that says that Joe Blow is indeed a member of that band I don't think we should assume he cultivates that image and that such a claim is indeed contentious as to him until sourced. Carlossuarez46 17:32, 3 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Tay Zonday

Hey, i was wondering if this page could be unlocked so that I can create an article. I have several sources, its not going to be biographical, but will make references to Tay Zonday as a internet meme and as a songwriter, including links to artciles written about him on the internet. The page will be based upon pages for other memes such as Star Wars Kid and Chuck Norris. --Robnubis 13:45, 4 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Allegations of Chinese apartheid AfD

Following your recent participation in Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2007 July 30#Allegations of American apartheid, you may be interested to know that a related article, Allegations of Chinese apartheid, is currently being discussed on AfD. Comments can be left at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Allegations of Chinese apartheid. -- ChrisO 15:20, 4 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion note

Hello! Looking over the history of Wikipedia:Template the regulars, I see that all edits other than by its author were (1) typo fixes, (2) adding a merge template, or (3) quickly reverted. The first revision of the page was identical to the version the author requested deletion on (except for one typo fix and one merge template). Hence I've speedied it as author request. Yours, >Radiant< 13:27, 7 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Whatever. Just put it back on MFD, then. The page is still a toxic endorsement of incivility and encouragement to escalating behavior, it shouldn't be there. >Radiant< 19:05, 7 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Wikipedia:Template the regulars

Your DRV comments say that the speedy deletion serves no point because you will simply create a new version of this essay. I agree with that assessment and I did not mean to extent my comments to any future incarnation of the essay. I don't, however, agree that the G7 deletion was unfounded. The vast majority of the essay was written by Giggy at the time of the initial request. I also don't think that the DTTR MfD concluded that there is a consensus to keep both articles, only an MfD on the merits of TTR itself would be helpful in defining consensus. I hope you don't mind this response here instead of the DRV. Cheers, ˉˉ^anetode╦╩ 16:44, 7 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi DES...I'm not sure you userfying it was the best idea - since it hadn't really changed since I wrote it, it should probably be in my userspace. But that's your call. In any case, I'd really like to MfD the whole thing - it's doing more damage then good. If G7 doesn't apply, I'd still like to get it deleted some way, so if you don't mind, could I slap an MfD notice on the page? Giggy ^{Talk | Review} 22:13, 7 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I would appreciate if it was sufficiently different to my version - especially since I now disagree with it. Giggy ^{Talk | Review} 23:26, 7 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I think the original user is mistaken to withdraw their support for this essay, though I don't know what position is being taken up instead, so I don't know that I disagree with them. But I do feel this essay should exist, if only because DTTR exists, and I do disagree with it, and therefore support a response. I don't know how the DRV will go, but if it closes as keep deleted, let me know where you're working on a new version of it. I'd like to contribute to it. FrozenPurpleCube 08:19, 8 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Our project

Just thought I'd let you know that Carcharoth has taken a look, and offered impressions on the talk page. I'm still waiting to hear back from DGG if he has a better way to organize the TOC, but I did add the section about children we spoke about, and thought you could take a look at that. Also, since I'm not really up to speed on who would be good "polar opposites" to invite to comment, I thought maybe you could give some names of those who may be on the very ends of the issue, to take a look and voice their opinions. Hope you had a good weekend, DES! ^Ariel♥Gold 00:50, 8 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Jody Weiner

Fair enough, but if the author doesn't come up with something more in the next day or two, I'll prod it. Realkyhick 21:47, 8 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Shamrock (comics) copyvio

We got an OTRS complaint on this one; reviewing the article, and the source, though a lot of it has been moderately adjusted or rewritten, I think we're still clearly in violation. If the Marvel Appendix authors complained with a takedown...

I'm going to delete this under the listed copyvio criteria. If you want to do a complete rewrite of the copyvio sections and restore it with those changes, feel free to do so, but please be careful. Thanks. Georgewilliamherbert 08:12, 9 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Tagging of Hell Date

Thanks for your comments. It would appear that significant content was added to the page after I had tagged it for Speedy Deletion. I certainly do not consider it a candidate for Speedy Deletion now. Karl2620 11:06, 9 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Songs from Les Misérables

Hi, you're welcome for the draft I made of Songs from Les Misérables. It took longer than I first expected to prepare it, so I'm glad the work wasn't wasted. I did, of course, intend to influence the outcome of the AfD by preparing something that looked worth keeping.

I've only just realised that you actually moved it from my sandbox. It wasn't the first thing I had drafted in that sandbox, so the article now has a rather strange page history! I don't suppose it happens very often, but you might want to copy & paste if a user does something similar again! Best wishes, Fayenatic london (talk) 18:08, 9 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I didn't know you you could do that! Very neat. No, I don't need my sandbox history back. It's interesting that my "See draft here" link at the AFD still works. Thanks, Fayenatic london (talk) 22:12, 9 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Lilly Arbor Project

i think the article will stand, but it should be possible to find additional sources from area newspapers referring to the project DGG (talk) 17:10, 1 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

SEE Earth

{{helpme}}

I created user pages for the 7 articles. can u please take a look at them and send me your feedback? Also, i tried to find some sources and links online that relate to the article, but coudnt find much. Is it possible to post the articles as they are now and modify them later on as we get more information?

Thank you ! SeeEarth 23:40, 3 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The articles in question are:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3APrefixindex&from=SeeEarth&namespace=2

I glanced at a couple and the thing that stands out to me is the lack of sources--which you mention. You'll need to have some reliable, independent sources to establish notability or the articles are likely to be deleted. You can try using Google News to find some sources, perhaps. Good luck. --Sopoforic 23:25, 9 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Coordinates

{{helpme}} How do i get the coordinates of a wikipedia page article? Thank you SeeEarth 15:20, 7 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Your question may mean either "How do I read coordinates?" or "How do I write them?"

Most articles on major cities have the coordinates listed in small print in the upper right-hand corner and/or in the text of the article. See, for example, London, Ontario.

There are several ways to write coordinates into a Wikipedia article. The source code at London, Ontario is {{Coor title d|42.98714|N|81.246268|W}}. For more information, see {{Coor title d}} and other templates in its category. Shalom ^Hello 20:02, 9 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Could you please check my articles? Thank you

SeeEarth 22:48, 9 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Tagging of River City Jim

You do realize that following your criteria means that articles about half the videos on YouTube will have to be prodded (and a significant number taken to afd) instead of speedily deleted, right? To me, something that only appears on YouTube qualifies as web content. --NeilN 05:22, 10 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

template question

I was looking to see if someone had created a "I am going to deny your request to speedy delete X" template because it comes up often enough. And I see that you have {{Template:Speedy-Warn}}. I was wondering if you'd mind if I add at the end: "You are, of course, free to add a {{prod}} notice or nominate the article for deletion at WP:AFD." Just let me know, since it's basically your template I won't be bold. :-) Carlossuarez46 21:52, 13 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Inquiring about user's identities

(moving from my talk page to yours since you did not reply)

It is generally considered impolite to request users to expose their real-life identities, or to confirm or deny guesses at such identities. Edits such as this in which you imply that confirmation of identity is required for an edit to stand clearly violate policy. The test of an edit is the contents, not the editor. WP:COI (a guideline, not a policy) exists because many people can not edit on subjects in which they are involved with sufficient neutrality. But if a particular edit is in fact neutral, it stands no matter who made it, and if it in fact fails WP:NPOV it should be removed no matter who made it. Demanding to know an editor's identity as a condition of not reverting an edit is simply unacceptable. Please don't do this again. DES ^(talk) 14:55, 17 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the heads up... though Sethie is a little confused.

Dseer added a link to author Michel Langford's work. Sethie removed that particular link to author, because Sethie felt did not fit in so well with the article. Dseer put it back in responded and said "You may absolutely not remove that link."

The editor then proposed editing an another article in such a way that Michel Langford's worldview and views would be highly represented on a subject in which ML is not considered an expert or has any notability.

Sethie, based this and a number of clues suspected that Dseer was ML.... he read WP:COI which says you cannot insert a link to your own site without discussing it firt. Sethie at first ask, "Are you Michel Langford?" then changed the question to something only ML would know, to protect Dseer's anonimity....

How could Sethie have procceeded differently in accordance with wikipedia policy? Sethie 17:38, 17 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

CSD AutoReason Updated

Attention spamlist! I've just updated CSD AutoReason to account for the new image deletion page. If you'd just hard refresh (Ctrl+F5 in most browsers), you'll get the new version and be on your way. ^demon^{[omg plz]} 17:57, 27 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Dave, I was a member of the MSU mahjong group way back in 1983. I was wondering if you may have a copy of the old rules laying about in a digital form that I could have.

If so, please drop me an email (martincavell at yahoo dot com).

Thanks for your time! -Ted Greer —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.120.231.2 (talk) 23:33, August 28, 2007 (UTC)

Male Porno Articles. I need you help

I wanted to contact you because I remembered how you helped me with kindness against that former admin who was abusing the deletion formula. I think I need your help and support. I got an e mail from an editor asking me to look at the List_of_gay_porn_stars section. These articles are riddled with POV, advertisement and spam. I tried to do a simple prod tag but oh my did I get the thrashing of my life! One told me that I would never succeed in getting the aricles removed under WP:PORNBIO and they were right. All they have to do is supply an award! These subjects are the actual editors of their pages. So, when an editor goes in to try and edit the articles, they jump on them and remove any edits they do not like. The way the WP:PORNBIO is written, all these people have to do is to win an award or be able to write something about themselves in a web page and it can be entered into WP. When you click on the links for these pages, they take you to websites that you either have to agree to enter in on adult content or it takes you to their porno stores. This is a very effective way for them to advertise their webpages and escort services. The only way to get around these people is to put them up for AfD. I need some help here. Do you think you would like to join forces with me to rid WP os some of this crap? Let me know. I certainly could use the support and help. I think we are going to have to approach WP to see if we can rewrite the rules for these porno articles. Junebug52 18:10, 3 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion review discussion notification of Flyaow - you participated in the discussion regarding this deletion

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Flyaow. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article or speedy-deleted it, you might want to participate in the deletion review. 137.82.96.26 04:08, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Problem with my username

Hi, back on July 27, 2007, you helped me with my username, planetmikedotcom (which you flagged as a Bad username), so I asked to be moved into the unused PlanetMike username. You approved that, but now the system won't email me a link so I can reset my password. Thanks for any help you can offer. Mike

Do you get the error that you didn't supply an email? If so, there really isn't anything you can do other than make a new account. - Rjd0060 19:23, 16 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I gave an email, but I think in the process of usurping the Planetmike user name, the old email wasn't removed and my address put into the PlanetMike username account? Or the email address is too long (it's 40 characters) for the Wikipedia system to handle? Mike —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.114.90.84 (talk) 19:50, 16 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I would just like to know why you deleted the Kenopets article and if it is possible for me to re-write it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by N3me$i$ (talk • contribs) 20:38, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Nn-warn template

Hello again, DESiegel ... I ran across some of your comments while replying to another thread on Template talk:Nn-warn ... I've recently tweaked the template, and wondered if you had any comments on the latest versions of my deletion warning templates ... Happy Editing! —72.75.72.63 (talk · contribs) 16:34, 19 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

db-bio template

Hello again, DESiegel ... the issue of using {{Db-bio}} as a "generic" CSD A7 template has surfaced again (on the Twinkle discussion page), and I have just read the history in the talk:Db-bio threads from 2005 ... now that I see how it is "ingrained in the culture", I think I'd better back off and re-think my position vis-a-vis rocking the boat. <Heavy Sigh!> Happy Editing! —72.75.72.63 (talk · contribs) 19:30, 22 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

TfD nomination of Template:Prod-2

Template:Prod-2 has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. — Terraxos (talk) 04:23, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hello again, DESiegel ... please see this talk page and tell me what you think of my newly created Template:Oldprodfull ... would you use it, or update it if you encountered it?

Also, what are your thoughts on my proposed WP:FLAG-BIO protocol?

Happy Editing! — 72.75.72.63 (talk · contribs) _{16:29, 11 February 2008 (UTC)}[reply]

Patrick Combs

Another editor has added the {{prod}} template to the article Patrick Combs, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but the editor doesn't believe it satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and has explained why in the article (see also Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not and Wikipedia:Notability). Please either work to improve the article if the topic is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia or discuss the relevant issues at its talk page. If you remove the {{prod}} template, the article will not be deleted, but note that it may still be sent to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. BJBot (talk) 04:00, 6 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

AfD nomination of Patrick Combs

An editor has nominated Patrick Combs, an article on which you have worked or that you created, for deletion. We appreciate your contributions, but the nominator doesn't believe that the article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion and has explained why in his/her nomination (see also "What Wikipedia is not").

Your opinions on whether the article meets inclusion criteria and what should be done with the article are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Patrick Combs and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~).

You may also edit the article during the discussion to improve it but should not remove the articles for deletion template from the top of the article; such removal will not end the deletion debate. Thank you. BJBot (talk) 22:08, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Dawn Wells

I added a section to Dawn Wells that reads as follows:

In 1998, fellow Islander Bob Denver was arrested for having a parcel of marijuana delivered to his home. He originally said that the parcel had come from Dawn Wells, but later refused to name her in court, and testified that "some crazy fan must have sent it".^[1]

Wells was arrested on October 18 2007, after a Teton County sheriff's deputy pulled her over after observing her swerve across the fog lines and center lines of State Highway 33 and repeatedly accelerating and slowing down. The officer noted the strong odor of "burning marijuana", and a search of her vehicle produced several partially consumed marijuana cigarettes and several containers of marijuana. Wells was taken into custody after failing a field sobriety test.^[2] According to the Associated Press, she was sentenced on February 29 2008 to five days in jail, fined $410.50, and placed on six months' probation after pleading guilty to one count of reckless driving.^[3]

The section is properly referenced and relevant. Several people including War, FCYTravis, and Cleo123, do not want this included because it is not seen as "positive". This is a POV view.

I request that you ask these people to cease reverting this section which is relevant and factual. It is based on news accounts and court records. Proxy User (talk) 02:53, 29 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It should be noted that I posted a notice on the Biography Project's Bulletin Board some time back regarding this user's edits to the Dawn Wells article. [1] Administrator, FCYTravis was kind enough to respond to my posting and has reverted Proxy User's version. Unfortunately, Proxy User just doesn't seem to understand why his revisions violate WP:BLP no matter how many people try to explain it to him. He continues to edit war on the article and has now posted a "warning" on administrstor, FCYTravis' page.[2] If you are familiar with this editor, perhaps you can explain things to him in a way that he'll understand. Cleo123 (talk) 03:27, 29 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I asked for Mediation, bud Admin FCYTravis, who is a party to the disagreement rejected it. This is improper. A party to the issue should not be able to reject the Mediation request. Proxy User (talk) 03:36, 29 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

		Thank you
		Thank you for releasing the text of your standard GFDL non-compliance letter into the public domain. 69.140.152.55 (talk) 04:12, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

updating a page on your userspace

~~I changed the TTR essay on your userspace to restore some info that you added, and that got reverted by an user, see the reversion of your addition, and my addition of the info.~~

I explain myself, I saw your complain on Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Giggy about being reverted, and then I noticed that you had been reverted by the sock of a banned user, and that the information was actually quite good and was according to my experience, so I re-added the information, after making a few changes and discarding a paragraph about strawman arguments. --Enric Naval (talk) 02:32, 31 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Never mind, I looked again to the history to make sure that I hadn't overlooked something, and I saw that you had already introduced an improved version of the reverted information. I restored it back to the state I found it at. Cheers. --Enric Naval (talk) 02:37, 31 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Flag templates

Hello again, DESiegel ...

Well, it looks like {{Flag-article}} and {{Flag-article}} are being embraced and used, as witness the populating of Category:Flagged articles and Category:Flagged editors by Some Other Editors. :-)

BTW, I just activated WP:FLAG-MOVIE, and added Movies as a (Guideline) for the flag templates ... it also made sense to have {{Selected filmography}} populate Category:Flagged articles as well ... do you agree?

Happy Editing! — 151.200.237.53 (talk · contribs) _{18:07, 6 June 2008 (UTC)}[reply]

RTFM pointers for Flag templates

Hello, DESiegel. You have new messages at 151.200.237.53's talk page.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

— 151.200.237.53 (talk · contribs) _{00:25, 10 July 2008 (UTC)}[reply]

Talk:1906 (film)

Deletion review for Talk:1906 (film)

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Talk:1906 (film). Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article, speedy-deleted it, or were otherwise interested in the article, you might want to participate in the deletion review. —scarecroe (talk) 15:11, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please return to WikProject Media franchises

Dear DESiegel...You are invited to come back to discuss WikiProject Media franchises. Since you participated in one or more discussions of the project, possibly when it was known as WikiProject Fictional series, I hope to see you return to it. The project needs your participation. Currently there is no activity on the project's talk page about the reorganization which is discouraging. I had great expectations for this project as it touches so many topics but am becoming discouraged. I hope to see you return. LA (If you reply here, please leave me a {{Talkback}} message on my talk page.) @ 19:21, 10 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Date Ranges

Since you have given thought to the issue of date ranges in the past, this may be of interest to you ... [3].--Ethelh (talk) 21:07, 9 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

AfD nomination of Teratophilia

An editor has nominated one or more articles which you have created or worked on, for deletion. The nominated article is Teratophilia. We appreciate your contributions, but the nominator doesn't believe that the article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion and has explained why in his/her nomination (see also "What Wikipedia is not").

Your opinions on whether the article meets inclusion criteria and what should be done with the article are welcome; please participate in the discussion(s) by adding your comments to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Teratophilia. Please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~).

You may also edit the article during the discussion to improve it but should not remove the articles for deletion template from the top of the article; such removal will not end the deletion debate.

Please note: This is an automatic notification by a bot. I have nothing to do with this article or the deletion nomination, and can't do anything about it. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 01:05, 25 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Date of birth

Howdy- is it against Wikipedia policy to include the date of birth in a biographical article for a living person in the public arena?The Original Historygeek (talk) 08:19, 1 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It didn't used to be -- indeed it was encouraged provided that the DoB was verifiable. However, some people have noticed that a DoB can be useful in committing identity theft. Therefore, people tended to not list the exact DoB for living people at least in some cases. When the subject publicized his or her own DoB (as on a personal or official web page, for example) I would think it fine to include in a Wikipedia page. Similarly when the person's DoB is already widely available on the net, particularly in the case of a very well known person.

WP:BLP says "Do not use, for example, public records that include personal details—such as date of birth, home value, traffic citations, vehicle registrations, and home or business addresses—or trial transcripts and other court records or public documents, unless a reliable secondary source has already cited them." and "Caution should be exercised with less notable people. With identity theft on the rise, people increasingly regard their dates of birth as private. When in doubt about the notability of the subject, or if the subject complains, err on the side of caution and simply list the year." DES ^(talk) 17:48, 15 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Is this account still active?

I notice DESiegel has not edited since August 2007.

Can anyone confirm whether DES is still active?

I have taken the liberty of archiving all posts prior to August 07 and have added a header box noting this:

I apologize to DES for taking this liberty on his talk page.

I have been mostly inactive, and have done some editing as an IP. I ahve recently been quite active on the ISFDB (see http:www.isdfr.org). DES ^(talk) 17:41, 15 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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German art just before the Third Reich

re [4] - it is a straight copy of a section of yesterday's lead DYK article, which is not in line with summary style at all. WP:SPLIT has not been followed, and the article is completely pointless. The troll-like creator has a habit of creating articles that are unacknowledged copies or patchworks of other articles, or copyvios. See his talk page, contributions, & the current Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Variation on a theme. "Sincere" or not, this behaviour is not helpful to the encyclopedia, & I urge you to reconsider your edit. Johnbod (talk) 18:09, 17 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If you look at the history, you will see he removed a prod some hours ago. Johnbod (talk) 18:20, 17 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Kurz and Allison

I don't think I'll be retagging it. There wasn't anything supporting the claim when I put up the tags (so the claims credibility was questionable), but the article's creator otherwise has a good history. Since another editor is supportive of it, I'll back out. Ian.thomson (talk) 21:47, 17 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

UAS Lab

Mr. Siegel,

It looks to me that you have deleted UAS Lab. Your statement says, it is meant for promotional activities. I have several patients who browse for UAS Labs wiki page and don't find one. As this company's DDS probiotics are widely accepted by public, I got interested to create an article on them. It is informative for public to publish some relevant info related to their DDS strain. Although their literatures are little promotional those are the only available sources that I found so far. This company is notable with many newspapers, magazines, news mmedia, Books etc. Kindly understand my request. I have asked in public to incorporate their thoughts so some sections can be improved. Please don't delete this article.

Thank you (User : Gutflora)(Gutflora (talk) 06:30, 19 December 2009 (UTC)) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gutflora (talk • contribs) 05:57, 19 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Jock Ruck-Crimes

Hi DE; I've nominated it for speedy deletion as a copyright violation. Cheers, 99.155.206.57 (talk) 22:13, 19 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion declined: Leandro Vieria

Hello DESiegel, and thanks for your work patrolling new changes. I am just informing you that I declined the speedy deletion of Leandro Vieria - a page you tagged - because: A7: article mentions several competitions in which Vieria won 1st place . Please review the criteria for speedy deletion before tagging further pages. If you have any questions or problems, please let me know. — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 06:46, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not familiar with martial arts or Brazilian competitions, so you may be right about the (lack of) notability of the competitions. When in doubt, I generally try to keep articles rather than delete them. — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 07:09, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Factoryase

Hello. Thanks for your note. As you suggested, I restored Factoryase. Before I deleted the article, I searched for the word using Google and couldn't find any hits for it. I'll ask User:Betaclamp to try to clean it up and add some sources. — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 06:52, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yettaw AfD

Hi DESiegel, since you agree with Kingturtle's arguement in the Yettaw AfD, I just thought I'd show you some responses I've offered KT on his talkpage here: User talk:Kingturtle#Yettaw AfD. Peace! ↜ (‘Just M E ’here , now) 15:46, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

OK. & I see your point (/consistency of your viewpoint). Fair enough! :~) ↜ (‘Just M E ’here , now) 16:35, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

As M.J. Stephey (Dec. 8th Time magazine) said, Yettaw has become "a magnet for international scorn and speculation."↜ (‘Just M E ’here , now) 21:57, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That merely proves his notability. DES ^(talk) 22:22, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

DESiegel, I made a comment on the "John Yettaw" article's talkpage that basically reponds to your point about notability; and this comment is here: Talk:John Yettaw#I have nominated this article for deletion.... :~) ↜ (‘Just M E ’here , now) 02:16, 21 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I read it. I don't think it is highly relevant. This page is clearly not constructed with the intent of attacking Yettaw, or anyone else. He was a participant -- a wholly voluntary participant -- in an event that was of literally international significance. Further more, the guideline you cite mentions the possibility of libel, but true statements are never libelous. Neither are inaccurate statements about public figures made without actual malice (an article I worked on, by the way). There may well, as I said above, be an argument for deleting some of the more speculative comments from the article, and doublechecking the sourcing of he rest -- possibly on insisting on multiple sources in many cases. I see no shadow of a reason to delete or merge the article. Frankly i think wikipedians sometimes go overboard in not including so called "negative information" about notable people that has been published by reliable sources. To me this introduces bias and flies in the face of WP:NPOV. DES ^(talk) 05:02, 21 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I note also that so far you seem to be the sole editor who favors deletion, while several have favored retention of the article, possibly with editing. Could it be that your view does not command consensus? DES ^(talk) 05:10, 21 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

UAS Labs

Dear Des,

As per your suggestion, I prepared the UAS Laboratories drafts on my user pages. Please follow the link below to get it. Please let me know which one (out of the two) looks good to you. With your inputs I will continue further. Sorry for minor editorial mistakes such as adding a tag to a reference etc.

Thank you (Gutflora (talk) 23:09, 21 December 2009 (UTC))[reply]

DES ^(talk), 16:36, 22 Dec, 2009

UAS Labs update

Dear Mr. Siegel,

Thanks for the help. I appreciate you for improving the section and fixing the references. Now it looks better. I need some additinal editorial helps. I made a box with the company logo and address on it. But the logo doesn't appear. I don't know why? Please advise? Thanks in advance.

Gutflora(Gutflora (talk) 22:41, 22 December 2009 (UTC))[reply]

Tagging of Barracuda atomic

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Tagging of Natalie Bennett

YYou made a fair argument, and have changed my mind. Thanks for the note. -- Matthew Glennon (^T/_C\^D) 01:14, 23 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

FYI on A7 tag

As an FYI - I did not tag the Poland Central School as an A7 because I felt it was a non-notable school. If you go back and look, the A7 tag was for db-web -- the original article was called Www.polandcs.org and I was judging that version since it focused (barely) on the school's web site and not the school. Thanks. Warrah (talk) 21:03, 23 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Reply at User_talk:Deon

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And again — Deon^talk 14:25, 24 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

WKPL (disambiguation)‎

User:Jim1401 added the information on the page, I had previously had it as a disambig. The information is as a hatnote on WPKL which WKPL redirects to. A disambig page is not necessary, hence my CSD for deletion. - NeutralHomer • Talk • 04:23, 25 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I wouldn't have any problem with a move and then a prod. That would work for me. - NeutralHomer • Talk • 04:33, 25 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not a problem :) I thought you were done, so I stepped in and did that real quick :) I wanted to trim those entries down a little too, also. Thanks for moving that for me. Merry Christmas...NeutralHomer • Talk • 05:28, 25 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Orphaned non-free media (File:UAS_Laboratories_Logo.png)

Thanks for uploading File:UAS_Laboratories_Logo.png. The media description page currently specifies that it is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, it is currently orphaned, meaning that it is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the media was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that media for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

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Talkback

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Taliban (screenplay)

More sources to verify what? It's a screen play they are pushing and lacks notability as well. Eeekster (talk) 04:49, 27 December 2009 (UTC) I'm not pushing anything. Why is Eeekster determined to eliminate a verifiable document that indisputably accomplished what even a group of paid "think-tankers" failed to provide, and, quoting the FBI directly, due to a "Failure of imagination" Why am I being punished for allowing others to see what is possible with due diligence and hard work? I don't get it.RENGACORP (talk) 05:15, 27 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

^ Dana Stevens (September 6 2005). "Gilligan's Dreams". slate.msn.com. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)
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^ Associated Press, via the Seattle Post-Intelligencer website (March 11 2008). "Gilligan's Island good girl caught with pot". Retrieved 2008-03-11. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)

[1] Dana Stevens (September 6 2005). "Gilligan's Dreams". slate.msn.com. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)

[tmz-2] ttp://www.aolcdn.com/tmz_documents/0311_dawn_wells_wm.pdf Jail Booking Detail], Teton County Sheriff, October 18, 2007

[Seattle_PI-3] Associated Press, via the Seattle Post-Intelligencer website (March 11 2008). "Gilligan's Island good girl caught with pot". Retrieved 2008-03-11. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)

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