Talk:Jyoti Basu

Soman's reversion

Soman, I do not understand your reversion [1]. Jyoti Basu's full name is in fact Jyotirmoy Basu. The MoS clearly says that his full name should be introduced in the lead section and all subsequent references should be only to the surname. That is what I was trying to follow. — Ravikiran 10:10, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

In that case, it shoyld be mentioned in the lead. However, it should not be used in the rest of the article (as he is more commonly known as just Jyoti Basu). A.K. Gopalan's full name was Ayillyath Kuttiari Gopalan Nambiar, but in article text the short, more commonly used naming is used. --Soman 10:14, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Sorry. My fault. Jyotirmoy Basu was another CPI(M) leader, unrelated to Jyoti. — Ravikiran 10:19, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Cleanup

As Ragib, Peripatetic and an anon user have all pointed out in edit summaries, per WP:BLP and WP:OR, this article is in a dreadful state. Unless a ton of fairly NPOV statements are sourced pretty soon, I'll be removing them. Hornplease 23:13, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

I've already removed unreferenced information and personal commentry/libel from the "Background" section, per WP:BLP. --Ragib 23:17, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Hindu college was established on 1855......it was renamed presidency college,calcutta on 1955

Suspected copyvio

The change by User:59.93.240.49 at 16:39, 17 January 2010 [2] appears to be from here [3]. As per wp:copyvio I've revered it. CS Miller (talk) 17:09, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

It would appear that the user added the copyvio again; it was removed by user:Ganeshk. CS Miller (talk) 17:14, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

who has deleted the brief life sketch of jyoti basu?

who had deleted the brief life sketch of jyoti basu? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.93.240.49 (talk) 17:16, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

It was removed by Ganeshk as it was a copyright violation of Basu's website. Please do not add it again unless you can prove you have the website's permission to do so. CS Miller (talk) 17:23, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

The condolence messages of politburo and of cm is quoted....and not copied......why are you deleting them? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.93.240.49 (talk) 17:31, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

I did not remove them. To see who did click on the "view history" link near the top of the page. Click on the date of any change to see what was changed. You csn then use the "prev" and "next" links to see the previous and later changes. CS Miller (talk) 17:44, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

okays........sorry for blaming you........Anshuva (user:59.93.240.49) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Anshuva Sanyal (talk • contribs) 17:59, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Copyright problem removed

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Added a section

CPI(M) and Jyoti Basu's stand on the Sino-Indian War, please contribute if you have any neutral information regarding the same  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.73.91.21 (talk) 21:00, 17 January 2010 (UTC) 

Outrageous Assessments of Importance

This article clearly needs some work to tidy it up and to rectify the fulsomeness of tone. On the other hand, the importance assigned to it by some of the projects is shocking and a clear sign of ethnocentric bias. How can a man who ruled one of India's most important states for 23 years and was a founder of the CPI(M) count as of low importance to the Socialism project? It would be just as plausible to argue that Basu was the most important and successful Marxist politician anywhere in the world in the second half of 20th century.Sjwells53 (talk) 19:10, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Jyoti Basu a leader who oversaw his state's industrial decline.

I'm surprised that the edit on Jyoti Basu presiding over the state's industrial decline is being removed. I find it surprising that someone even disagrees with this well established fact. A simple Google search points us to articles which illustrate the point.

I share a few of the links here:

http://cpasindia.org/articles/mg-05-03-17-industrial-decline-west-bengal.html

http://www.jstor.org/pss/2691567

http://ibnlive.in.com/news/basu-presided-over-bengals-industrial-decline/108880-37.html

Notacommunist (talk) 06:45, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

If you add sources for your statements (without synthesis), no one is going to revert you. So, add sources to content, or it will be removed. -SpacemanSpiff 06:50, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Thank you. Added the references, not original research and well established facts. Notacommunist (talk) 07:00, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Industrial decline under his leadership

The industrial decline of West Bengal under communist rule from 1977 to present has to be noted. As a leader of the alliance which is ruling West Bengal, Jyoti Basu bears responsibility to it.

Facts: http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/bline/2005/04/01/stories/2005040100090900.htm

"West Bengal's performance is comparable to that of Maharashtra where the comparable decline from 1977-78 to 1999-2000 was 55.28 per cent to 25.02 per cent or a decline in incidence of 55.22 per cent. When the performance of West Bengal and Maharashtra is related, the former having fared dismally in terms of industrial expansion while the latter was a star on this account, perhaps those who influence policies in this country will be able to distinguish reality from perceptions."

"It is not that the Communists did not have a role to play in the industrial decline of West Bengal. The Chief Minister, Mr Buddhadeb Bhattacharya, himself has been candid about this when he admitted at a CII gathering: "Yes, it is true that we have committed mistakes and have been irresponsible. You have heard of the word gherao, which means surrounding the management. It is now part of the English dictionary." Often these gheraos and the more traditional forms of industrial action ended up in violence resulting in a flight of capital from West Bengal.

Worse, this kind of militancy led to competitive militancy and now trade unions affiliated to all political parties make similar demands and use similar methods. This has made all trade unions more comfortable with state ownership with the obvious attendant benefits of assured salaries and pay increases, full tenures, and annual bonuses, without any relation to productivity and corporate health. When an industry was rendered sick, it was taken over by the government to protect jobs and not so much to contribute to the economy. Examples abound all over the country, but West Bengal typified it."

There are many such articles, unfortunately being suppressed.