Talk:Steve Jobs

Insulinoma

So Insulinoma is the most common islet cell tumor of the pancreas. And 80% of insulinomas have Multiple endocrine neoplasia type 1. If he does he is at risk for a whole bunch of other cancers. Do any sources say anything about this that we could add more information about his cancer.

Neutrality

S/O added a NPOV tag on the health problems section, but there is no associated disussion on the disussion page. I removed the tag. if the S: or another one want it back, he's welcome to add it back and to argument on the discussion page. --Dwarfpower (talk) 11:58, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Younger pictures

The article only includes pictures of Jobs from the past few years. Shouldn't a picture or two from the 80s with Wozniak be included?--Marcus Brute (talk) 02:11, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

If a free, non-copyrighted one can be found, yes. Otherwise, no. --Marty Goldberg (talk) 02:41, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

The Breakout payment

As confirmed by Steve Wozniak himself in the reference provided, he recieved 50% of the supposed $700, not %600. --89.216.152.158 (talk) 00:03, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Current Status - as of September 2009

Is he back at work? Full time? I haven't heard anything since his supposed return to work. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.100.48.167 (talk) 02:00, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Yes he is. - Albert Ibarra —Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.138.203.253 (talk) 14:03, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Chairman title

The wikipedia article assigns Steve Jobs the "Chairman and CEO of Apple" title. However, there seems to be no official "Chairman" of Apple according to their own website. Steve Jobs simply has the CEO title only. 71.191.25.219 (talk) 05:11, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

That would appear to be correct. Apple's website lists just "Directors", with no titles among them. However, Reuters claims that Arthur Levinson and William Campbell are "Co-Lead Director"s. Jobs is listed just as "Director", like every other member of the Board. - User ehurtley writing unloggedin from 76.105.147.25 (talk) 23:10, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Salary

The infobox tells that Jobs earns $1 per year. However, the sources listed only state that he earns $1 from Apple Computer. Elsewhere in the infobox there is a notice telling that he also works for the Walt Disney Company, and no sources tell how much he earns from that company. I believe that the current sources are insufficient. (Stefan2 (talk) 15:27, 20 September 2009 (UTC))

get it right it is actually steven paul jobs not steve paul jobs

Not sure about "get it right", but Stefan2, that's an interesting point. (It would help a lot if we could find out how much he makes from Disney.)HereToHelp ^{(talk to me)} 02:22, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

You know we could stop focusing on such stupid and pointless matters such as how much steve jobs earns and focus on other important matters like how to stop world hunger or where did elvis really go (that's a joke). im only here cause im bored and have to do some stupid research paper for steve and bill gates. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.138.203.253 (talk) 13:40, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Why is his salary still only $1 per year? Apple is doing very well. They can afford to pay him a decent wage. When Jobs came back to Apple, they were on the verge of going out of business. I understand the reason for doing it then, but why today?173.58.251.147 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 06:46, 4 April 2010 (UTC).

CEO of the Decade

{{editsemiprotected}} Please add mention and citation of Fortune Magazine's cover story November, 2009 naming Steve Jobs "CEO of the Decade." I believe of particular relevance is this quote from the story: "In the past 10 years alone he has radically and lucratively reordered three markets -- music, movies, and mobile telephones -- and his impact on his original industry, computing, has only grown." You can access the main page of the article here: [1] and the page to cite with the above quote is the last sentence of the 5th paragraph here: [2]. If fair use allows, I think you should also add an image of the Fortune Magazine cover which can be found here: [3]. --DJRizzo (talk) 11:29 pm, Yesterday (UTC−5) Moved from the to do list by ~ Amory (u • t • c) 13:49, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Welcome and thanks for the suggestion. Hopefully someone interested in this article will take it up. I un-transcluded the {{editsemiprotected}} template since it is only meant to be used for situations where an editor wants to make a specific change to an article. If no one takes up your suggestion, you can switch this to an edit request by specifying the change you woudl like in a 'Please change X to Y' level of detail. Cheers, Celestra (talk) 15:51, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

{{editsemiprotected}}Jobs named CEO of the Decade

{{editsemiprotected}} Nobody has yet added to the Honors category that he was named CEO of the Decade by Fortune Magazine. http://money.cnn.com/2009/11/04/technology/steve_jobs_ceo_decade.fortune I'd be happy to do it, but it appears that I am not able to. Could somebody else take care of this who has access or provide me access so I can make the update?

Thanks,

Segue

I'm tlping the request because that fact has already been mentioned. BejinhanTalk 13:43, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

serious bullying aspects and abusive characteristics of the person's personality

Hi, I am quite alarmed with the fact that how certain charismatic characters could be so much admired holistically in the mass context and discourse, just because the individual is quite so much successful in business and persona symbolizations, without any critical discussions by the public for the type of social abuses which are quite common, and even extreme in some charismatic context, much hidden but prevalent in the human society. I am quite sure the below could be only a partial description, since I have heard, read, and... the many sides a situation or history could have are quite vastly.

steve jobs Legendary Apple co-founder and boss from hell, Jobs told a woman he was interviewing for an upper-level human resources position, "I've never met one of you who didn't suck. I've never known an HR person who had anything but a mediocre mentality." And once during a heated meeting exchange, the sockless wunderkind suddenly kicked his shoes off and stuck his bare feet in a manager's face.

Famous Bully Bosses, 2001, www.allbusiness.com

But then there’s Good Steve. Abused employees, if they survive, often find themselves praised to the heavens.

technology.timesonline.co.uk

Of course, such the likes may be charming and amiable characters to some, or many, but on a human-rights context, the factors of charisma, success, and abusive power combined is quite interestingly alarming. And this and other related context could certainly be included as a factor of information, on a diversive point of view. How do you think? --Makesdark (talk) 11:37, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

here's another source

Harvard Business Review focuses on narcissists
8 May 2000: Harvard Business Review Jan-Feb 2000 (pages 69-77) contains an article by Michael Maccoby entitled Narcissistic leaders : the incredible pros, the inevitable cons. The article explores the strengths and weaknesses of the narcissistic leaders and suggests that "because of their independence and aggressiveness, they are constantly looking out for enemies, sometimes degenerating into paranoia when they are under extreme stress."
The article continues: "Narcissistic leaders typically keep others at arm's length ... given their difficulty with knowing or acknowledging their own feelings, they are uncomfortable with other people expressing theirs - especially their negative feelings ... Narcissists are almost unimaginable thin-skinned ... They cannot tolerate dissent. In fact, they can be abrasive with employees who doubt them or subordinates who are tough enough to fight back. Steve Jobs (CEO and Founder of Apple), for example, publicly humiliates subordinates. Thus, although narcissistic leaders often say they want teamwork, what that means in practise is that they want a group of yes-men. As the more independent-minded players leave or are pushed out, succession becomes a particular problem ... There is a kind of emotional intelligence associated with narcissists, but it's more street smart then empathy. They know who they can use. They can be brutally exploitative."

www.bullyonline.org/

--Makesdark (talk) 17:22, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

another:

While many of these stories about Jobs have been all over Silicon Valley for years, the newer anecdotes in this book indicate that the level of personnel abuse, erratic antisocial behavior and manic swearing has increased to an extreme. Worse for Apple, none of these stories have been heard by the investment community. Until now. ...... But Jobs' real skills have never been visionary. They've been the skills of serendipitous recognition. He can spot a winner. ...... Each time he has actually used his own vision to design anything or promote a new direction he has shown no talent. Those flops: the Lisa computer; the short-lived Twiggy disk drive, a non-compatible floppy subsystem he promoted; and the NeXT computer with its monochrome display and lack of a floppy disk altogether. All losers.

forbes.com/2000/10/23/

this is around 2000, with povs and related coverage; it is interesting how the "success" statas quo has a benchmark effect on how a personality could be legitimately "allowed" to be represented in public --Makesdark (talk) 04:27, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Hi, I'm reviving two older discussion threads, below, that seemed relevant to the subject --Makesdark (talk) 14:08, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

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Article on Steve Jobs

Hi. I read an article on Steve Jobs a few years ago, and it was absolutely devastating. Among other things, the author quoted Jobs saying "fuck 'em!" when reminded that Apple customers would be upset when Jobs pulled the plug on a vendor who was supplying customer support. What emerged from the article was a nasty, bullying person who actually makes Bill Gates look good by comparison. Problem is, I can't remember what the magazine was! I'd love to track down that article, but there have been so many written about him that typical reference tools are no good. It was in a wide-circulation magazine such as Esquire and probably written in the late 1990s but no later than 2003. Anyone know what the article/journal was??

Not sure if this is it, or gets you any closer to it, but here's a quote: "In his book, The Second Coming Of Steve Jobs, Alan Deutschman says that one of Jobs’s favorite saying is “f*** ‘Em”, when speaking about vendors, suppliers, competition, and customers." It's from an on-line article at : http://www.macnet2.com/more.php?id=A329_100_1_0 -J.R.

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thread revived by --Makesdark (talk) 14:08, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

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Biased entry?

This article seems biased to me, as it mentions almost none of the negative aspects of Steve Job's life. I think this article should be more balanced. A few examples of negative issues that seem as though they would be mentioned in more detail:

1. His ruthless managerial practices as an extremely demanding manager. He would berate employees, forcing them to work 80+ hours per week and abusing them mentally.

2. His outright refusal to recognize his biological daughter for years. He refused to pay a single dime of child support to his daughter's unwed mother even after Job's took his company public and became a deca-millionaire.

3. Just as he accuses Microsoft of "copying" or on occasion "stealing" Mac, he did the same from Xerox.

I am not out to get Steve Jobs, but none of this information (especially the information about Lisa) is mentioned, and that makes it appear as though this were more of a fanboy article rather than an encyclopedic entry. Unsigned contribution by Buffettjr

If you can find viable sources to validate all of these claims, then I doubt you'll find much opposition. Bbatsell 22:39, 7 September 2005 (UTC) The first two have been in just about every book written on Jobs in the past 25 years, and should be included. The third one is more problematic. Will amend when I get time. ianbetteridge Number three is nonsense. Apple paid for its engineers to visit Xerox in stock options, that Xerox later sold for a few million dollars. Pirates of Silicon Valley is entertaining but please don't think for a second that it is anywhere close to accurate. AlistairMcMillan 07:46, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

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Oh please. If you find displeasure in the article, it's within your power to edit judiciously and make it more balanced. Doing a "post and run" is pointless, since you've added no new content except to complain in the discussion section.

Just a primer posting before I start editing the Steve Jobs entry:

While well-written, I feel that the bias of this article is clear. Jobs has a strong personality and is controversial and provocative for a reason. But by reading this article, it's as if he's never stepped on any toes or made a few mistakes. I'll put my money where my mouth is though. After some more research and linking, I'll be picking at the article, adding and editing where needed. Note I won't be deleting content, as I believe that both a favorable and unfavorable position on Steve Jobs should be presented ... Unsigned contribution by 67.169.61.57

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thread revived by --Makesdark (talk) 14:08, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Why have you deleted the information about his mother and her surname( nee - Hagopian)??? although it may not be the most important detail of his biography, it doesn't mean it can be removed. Moreover the person(Max Shakhray) who removed her native surname has also done it in the russian version - therefore i can only interpret it as anti-armenian propaganda! the man tries to conceal his mother's nationality from the public. I really hope that fact would be returned to the biography as soon as possible! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.178.99.61 (talk) 20:23, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

not me --Makesdark (talk) 03:13, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Shoes

If you look at the Gizmodo source for his clothing, it mentions that he wears New Balance 911s. But in the source they cite, it says New Balance 922s. Which is right? Lightningstripe (talk) 23:15, 5 April 2010 (UTC)