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Maritime neighbors

Why not include maritime neighbors? Iggi 01:35, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Well, two reasons, really. First, because the list currently in was generated by a script that ran over the CIA pages, which doesn't contain that information (as far as I can see) and secondly, because I'm clueless as to what a maritime neighbor is. The old page had it, but I haven't yet overcome my laziness to merge the info from the old page into my "complete" list (which, as I said, was generated from scratch.). If you could point me to a place where I can get such info, I'll see what I can do. --gcbirzan (talk) 03:57, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC)

This list deals with land borders. Perhaps you can start a list on maritime borders, which is controversial because some countries are still in disagreement on where lies the border between high sea and EEZ. --Kvasir (talk) 21:35, 1 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

European Union

Regarding Saccerzd's question posted in the edit history: The EU is an international organization and thus not a sovereign state. This entity borders the states and dependencies listed under the letter "E", plus - technically - also Brazil, Suriname and the Netherlands Antilles (on the island of Saint Martin). :] //Big Adamsky 00:30, 15 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Indian border

The Indian government maintains that it has a border with Afghanistan, since it believes the POK is a part of Indian Kashmir and POK has a northwestern border with Afghan. Should this be added too as a note since the featured article India talks about this oft ignored fact? Idleguy 08:40, 7 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

How are border lengths measured?

In light of the work done by Mandelbrot in his paper How Long Is the Coast of Britain? Statistical Self-Similarity and Fractional Dimension and the work done by Lewis Fry Richardson, it seems that this article should mention how the borders are measured and what scale of measurement is used. I'm a little confused because it seems to me that stating a country's border as being x kilometres means nothing unless these things are specified. 18.248.5.226 05:25, 7 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Neutral territories

A number of countries do not actually border each other directly as there is a neutral territory between them, sometimes armed by UN forces. Examples of these are on Cyprus, Korea, UNDOF Zone, between Lebanon and Israel, between Gilbraltar and Spain, etc. How or should these be reflected? --Kvasir 06:15, 29 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

European Union

How can Spain border Morocco, and Morocco border Spain - but the European Union not border Morocco? I always thought Spain was a full member of the European Union? 58.160.120.16 07:14, 16 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Mongolia/Russia Border

Interesting to note that according to this list, Mongolia has a border of 3,543km with Russia, whilst in return, Russia has a border of only 3,485km! Sacre bleu! How can this be? Who created this list - and would you care to explain where exactly these 58km go? jkm 19:00, 17 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

recent edit

Hello all,

I've done a big edit recently. Because of this, I think its fair I outline what I did. Here we go:

The islands of Bassas da India, Europa Island, Glorioso Islands, Juan de Nova Island, and Tromelin Island were listed separately. This is incorrect. Since February 2007, these islands are a part of the French Southern and Antarctic Lands.
In the same month, Saint Barthelemy and French Saint Martin spilt from Guadeloupe. This reduced the length of their border from 10.4 km to zero. Also this reduced the number of countries that bordered all of France from 11 to 10.
Saint Barthelemy and French Saint Martin have been added. The change in Guadeloupe's border goes to French Saint Martin.
I have also fixed the status of the other French territories. The edit of Clipperton Island's status is based of a recent change to ISO 3166-2. - Thanks, Hoshie 12:57, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Kosovo

Kosovo is an independent and sovereign state. Therefore, it should appear on the "J-L" list, as it borders Albania, Montenegro, Serbia, and the Republic of Macedonia.--Arbër (Let's Talk) 11:30, 20 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

In addition, I also changed the countries that Albanian borders to: I removed "Serbia" and replaced it with "Kosovo".--Arbër (Let's Talk) 11:32, 20 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Botswana / Namibia / Zambia / Zimbabwe quadripoint

I believe that it is very possible that there may be a quadripoint existing in the border among these countries, depending ultimately upon what the legal definition of the border is. If this is the case, then the Botswana/Zambia border should be zero length, and there should also be a Namibia/Zimbabwe border, also of zero length. See the Wikipedia articles for Kasane, Botswana and Kazungula, Zambia, as well as the Caprivi Strip article. Backspace (talk) 19:00, 22 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

In theory, a zero length border means that a border does not exist between opposite countries. According to the CIA world fact book on Zambia, the border between Botswana and Zambia, if exist, is undelimited. The entry does not list Botswana as a neighbour country, however. See transnational issue for Zambia: https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/za.html . If such a border exist, there would be no quadripoint. The Kazungula article says Bostwana fronts 1.6km of the Zambezi, which means the distance between the corners of Zimbabwe and Nambia is 1.6km apart. --Kvasir (talk) 21:24, 1 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Merger proposal from article on Longest border

The Longest border (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) seems to contain an assertion that is incompatible with the facts in this article. I am not sure it is necessary. Deletion was proposed once before but didn't go through. I can't see why one would have a separate article and one that seems to contain inaccurate information. The fact about the longest shared border could be highlighted in this list. --Matilda ^talk 22:39, 31 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Given no reaction, I propose to action the merger --Matilda ^talk 04:07, 16 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Agreed to the merger. Only a few lines need to be highlighted to show the longest border. (WannabeAmatureHistorian (talk) 02:24, 17 April 2008 (UTC))[reply]

Sortable table

Instead of having the redundant section on List of countries and territories by length of land borders, we can combine all the sectionised tables to make one big table that can have customisable sorting by name, border length, and number of neighbours by the reader. --Kvasir (talk) 21:21, 1 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This doesn't work very well, since sorting does not understand the numbers as numbers, but rather each digit together So, after the 0s it starts with Israel at 1017 - the "lowest" number that starts with 1 - and ends with Burundi at 974! Rendsburg (talk) 03:19, 5 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed merge with List of countries by number of neighbouring countries

Now that this table is sortable, the separate page for number of neighbouring countries is redundant. --Lasunncty (talk) 23:16, 4 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed this article contains all the needed data, although a note column might be worth adding (like on that other page). Also at some stage it would be good if all the flags were added but thats not too important. This list is also far better as it includes overseas territories on their own, rather than on that page where it says UK borders spain lol. BritishWatcher (talk) 13:56, 8 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

New Discussion

A discussion has been started at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Countries/Lists of countries which could affect the inclusion criteria and title of this and other lists of countries. Editors are invited to participate. Pfainuk talk 12:17, 17 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Bahrain/Saudi Arabia

These two countries appear to have a short 200m border on an artificial island in the King Fahd Causeway, but this isn't mentioned Jamie|C 21:06, 8 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed merger from List of land borders with dates of establishment

That page is an orphan but has years and brief context for each of the borders. Better to integrate?User:LeadSongDog come howl 15:42, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hi LSD,

You requested a merger between List of land borders with dates of establishment and List of countries and territories by land borders. It's a nice idea, but both articles are very long. Isn't it better to keep these articles seperated? An alternative is to create a whole bunch of articles linked on the latter article, so you can see the history of all borders from one country very easily. But, the info is very subjective and will probably lead to a lot of conflicts. There was one already on the formation of the Bulgarian-Rumanian borders, which relativised the creation of this border, something which can be repeated a lot of times.Daanschr (talk) 17:42, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Moved Daanschr's comment above to this page (where it belongs) from my talkpage.

I'd be sympathetic to eventually having a distinct article for each international border, though that would be a hefty undertaking. An intermediate option would be to break it down to subarticles by continent, though there will undoubtedly be a few disputes on the Europe/Asia and on the Africa/Asia divide relating to countries seen to span two continents. Choosing (in advance) underlying principles to guide the choices could help minimise the disputes. User:LeadSongDog come howl 18:16, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

There is an easy solution for that, since there are hardly any borders of country between two continents. I think the Sinai is Asia, so the Israeli-Egyptian borders are in Asia. Russia is in both Europe and Asia. Only the Caucasus is a mess. I thought, they is no official borders there between Europe and Asia. The best source would be the UN.Daanschr (talk) 07:52, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I want to remove the merger template, if there isn't to be a merger. Of course a merger could aoccur, but merge it than.Daanschr (talk) 17:44, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

See WP:NODEADLINE. It takes a while to establish community intent for relatively obscure pages such as these. The function of the merger template is to draw participants into the merger discussion. So far, there's just the two of us involved, which doesn't really serve to establish concensus. User:LeadSongDog come howl 05:44, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. In theory, the two pages probably should be merged. However, I think that at this stage it would probably be difficult to do so, since the table on this page is already quite full. It might be a situation where it's OK to have the two separate pages just because of the amount of content. I guess you can put me down as an oppose for now, unless someone comes up with a brilliant proposal that resolves these issues. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 06:06, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Indonesia and Malaysia

The table lists Indonesia's border with Malaysia as being 1782 km long and Malaysia's border with Indonesia as being 2019.5 km long. Now I don't know how long the border between these two countries is but I have to assume at least one of these figures is incorrect. And well beyond a reasonable margin of error. MK2 (talk) 04:21, 19 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]