Talk:Vuvuzela

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• There is no mention of the Central/Latin American horns that plague games in that region but make exactly the same noise. I'm not sure what they're called, but there should be some mention of their relation to the South African variety in this article. Ellsass (talk) 17:38, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Are these horns blown in the same indescriminate, incessant manner as they are in South Africa ? Or are they blown in rhythm, after goals and other noteworthy events in a match ?--Marc-Olivier Pagé (talk) 04:56, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

The plastic version of these were available in Argentina already in the early 1980's, if not even before that. I remember them exactly in red as in the photo. If memory serves well, they were not played incessantly but blown in some rudimentary rythms (they are not that easy to handle many people could not get a sound out of them) or blown after noteworthy events in the match.--Jorge Pullin talk 09:30, 28 June 2009 (Central Time)

And these have been available in the US for a number of years. I bought and used one at minor league hockey games about 2000 or 2001. Of course, I did not blow it incessantly, only to celebrate goals or to spur the team on at critical times.--Wschart (talk) 18:29, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

We had one while growing up in Silicon Valley in the 1970s and 1980s. And they have been an obnoxious presence in the stands of Oakland A's games since at least the 1980s. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jatkins679 (talk • contribs) 22:49, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Source

Check this out:

• Dixon, Robyn (28 June 2009). "South Africa abuzz over talk of banning soccer fans' favorite horn". Los Angeles Times. Retrieved 29 June 2009.

rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 03:02, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Disputed information

Information in the "Origin" section of this article about plastic vuvuzelas is disputed. I have a yellow one which was purchased from a souvenir stand at Chicago's Soldier Field prior to a United States men's national team match against AC Milan in June 1991. The manufacture & mass-marketing of plastic vuvuzelas predates the 1990s and didn't begin either in that decade or the next one as currently implied in this article. There is a good chance that the information in the reference sources are really inaccurate. Much more research is needed for this piece to attain acceptable Wikipedia standards. The Ink Daddy! (talk) 23:09, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

• Agreed. I have been using these in soccer matches (and sports events in general) in Brazil for decades (at least the 80's). In Brazil they are called "Corneta" (horn), and the construction and design is pretty much identical to what is shown in the article picture. Maybe a case of local pride prior to the world cup, trying to credit the creating of this iconic soccer instrument to the host country? Quase (talk) 13:49, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Can you find a reference? I did find a picture on an internet shop, but that's not really suitable as a reference. http://ciudadcotillon.com.ar/eshop/index.php?page=shop.product_details&product_id=413&flypage=flypage.tpl&pop=0&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=53 Zaian (talk) 19:56, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

These plastic horns have been at American football and baseball games since at least back to when I was a kid in the 1970s. Hard to find a quotable reference via google though (might actually have to go to a library... gasp). If you do a Google Book search for '"long plastic horns" fans' you will find a hint of references in the book The year I owned the Yankees: a baseball fantasy written in 1990 and a 1975 Time Magazine article about a Reagan political rally, however, neither have enough preview text available. It would be really hand to find a sports souvenir catalog from the 70s or 80s. —Noah 06:43, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

These things are likely as old as plastic itself. A high school friend of mine had one in the 1980s, I think from a Toronto Argonauts game. No proof because I didn't think a plastic horn was noteworthy enough to photograph - but in North America they definitely predate 2001 by several decades. Even the South African manufacturer claims an American origin: http://www.boogieblast.co.za/#truthvuvu 99.230.231.234 (talk) 20:12, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

I have attached a link to an image available for purchase at getty images http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/81452390/Sports-Illustrated showing fans at the 1964 World series blowing these plastic horns. These were banned at most major league parks, because of the noise. These could be purchased in Woolworth stores and 5 and dime stores. 69.121.122.126 (talk) 14:03, 12 June 2010 (UTC) 14:03, 12 June 2010 (UTC)14:03, 12 June 2010 (UTC)14:03, 12 June 2010 (UTC)~

Nice find! Unfortunately, we cannot add copyrighted images to Wikipedia, but this is useful information. Do you have a reference for the horns being banned in major league parks in the 1960s? That would be a great thing to add to the article. Tim Pierce (talk) 16:35, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Vuvuzela

The World Cup is here! And the world has been (noisily) introduced to the Vuvuzela. My question is: Is there a collective noun for VUVUZELAS? Or can we "create" one? DJ3007 (talk) 08:32, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

This isn't really the place. Wikipedia is not a forum and Wikipedia is not for things made up one day... Zaian (talk) 08:40, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Congratulations there on a splendidly po-faced response to what was almost certainly a light-hearted comment. Jesus. 90.217.137.126 (talk) 18:11, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Sorry if we didn't get the joke, but you would not believe some of the things people suggest here in all seriousness. :-) Tim Pierce (talk) 01:06, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Sorry but "splendidly po-faced" is frankly unfair. The folk asked a question, I gaves the answer. Zaian (talk)

It's called "a po-face of vuvuzelas", on wiki at least.Martinevans123 (talk) 21:20, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

pronunciation

Could someone in the know please add a pronunciation guide to this? Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.49.181.254 (talk) 17:25, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Roughly VOOH-vooh-ZEH-lah, if someone knows how to put that into phonetic script. Zaian (talk) 21:22, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

word choice

"football" should be "soccer" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.195.50.177 (talk) 21:35, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

No it shouldn't. "Football" is entirely fine in this context. There's no need to adapt the vocabulary of this article to this one usage. DBaK (talk) 22:43, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Does "hooligans" really fit this context? It seems that the term almost conveys that only certain people would use the vuvuzela as a weapon which doesn't seem to be realistic. If we broaden this term from "hooligans" to "people", then I think it would focus more on the fact that it might be used on a weapon rather than focusing on the people who are using it. 72.218.36.251 (talk) 21:41, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

can't edit

{{editprotected}} i can't add this because the article is semi-protected: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/soccer/the-worlds-game/the-happy-chaos-of-soccer-city/article1600470/

please insert:

and "a giant hive full of very angry bees".

after "a goat on the way to slaughter." i have heard the bee comparison in the media coverage more than anything else. HateVuvuzelas (talk) 21:53, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

 Done Tim Pierce (talk) 22:35, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Redundant

"Brazil and Latin American countries"

Brazil is a Latin American country. The quote implies it is not. It should be changed to "Brazil and other Latin American countries". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.173.146.98 (talk) 07:29, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

 Done FlorianB (talk) 14:37, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

I saw red horns of this type used at football games in Atlanta, Georgia while I was in the high school band from 1967-1970. There were not many, perhaps only one to three fans fan would be using them. Even one was very annoying to the band. 64.250.221.163 (talk) 16:52, 12 June 2010 (UTC) Virginia Giglio, PhD Music Education, Ethnomusicologist

In popular culture

This Is Serious Mum had a three-part song on their 2001 album De RigueurMortis called "Fielding At Long-on" - originally known as 'Who The Fuck Blow That Plastic Trumpet?' Someone else can decide whether the sports fan's plastic trumpet being immortalised in song rates a mention ;-) - David Gerard (talk) 21:31, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

do re mi?

".. emit a loud monotone like a foghorn or an elephant."

• But although most foghorns (apart from this one) can't, adult elephants seem to be able to easily manage more than just a monotone. For the vuvuzela it sounds as if breath pressure alone can at least achieve a semi-tone, but am unable to find any source for hertz. So can anyone with perfect pitch tell what that particularly annoying tone actually is? Martinevans123 (talk) 21:43, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

In Mexican soccer games since I have memory =

Maybe early 80's, maybe late 70's, but you have thousands and thousands of Mexican soccer game TV broadcasting videos of those years which definitely would verify the citation needed after the claim. I am from Texas but like soccer and we always associate that sound with Mexican games. My guess is that it was used in the 1986 world cup in Mexico so it became popular elsewhere. Also, the "wave"of public on stadium's bleachers come from that time. --24.44.93.16 (talk) 21:57, 12 June 2010 (UTC)