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Best Bundesliga-player

Özil has been chosen to be the best Bundesliga-player of the first half of the season 2009-2010. Somebody should add this. My english is not the best, so I can't do it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.89.233.145 (talk) 22:00, 24 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Heritage

Turkish translation of the interview he has given to 11 Freuende: He is cited as saying, "soru: Türk pasaportunuzu geri verip ve Alman Milli takımında oynamaya karar aldınız,zor oldu mu? Mesut Özil: Ben Türkiye'ye sırtımı dönmedim,sade Alman Milli Takımında oynamaya karar verdim." 2) soru: Oyun tarzınızın ne kadarı Türk,ne kadarı Alman? Mesut Özil: Türk olan yanı tekniğim ve top kullanışım.Alman tarafı disiplin,kafa yapım,sürekli gaz verip oyundan kopmamam." http://ultras-istanbul.over-blog.de/article-mesut-ozil-roportaj-futbol-hislerim-turk--37879804.html That is enough to show that he had a Turkish passport. That is enough to call him Turkish descent since Turkish passport defines Turkishness in Turkey. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.192.197.62 (talk) 03:23, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The article already says he is of Turkish descent so I'm not quite sure what you want. Regardless a blog is extremely unlikely to constitute a reliable source. Camw (talk) 03:50, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Well, maybe, you could provide the source where you got your information from. There is a lot of debate with regards to his nationality and many very conflicting rumors. From what I have researched, I have not seen a single interview where he actually says that he is a Turk or a Kurd.If there is, post a link so that we can end this discussion. Obviously the issue of his nationality is not more important that his excellent football ability but this is an important issue that has to be addressed. Milkmaidwarrior (talk) 05:52, 21 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Mesut Özil is from Zonguldak. So he's not a Kurdish and the resource below is a fanatic Kurdish newsletter that has no value as a resource. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.249.173.173 (talk) 15:20, 17 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Mesut Ozil has recently said "No I am not originally from Turkey, I am Kurdish and I am proud of being Kurdish" So I guess that means that we may have to change this on his page. It is not feasible to assume that he is of Turkish heritage just because that is what it says on his passport.Milkmaidwarrior (talk) 05:53, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

http://www.haberdiyarbakir.com/news_detail.php?id=35373

he just contributed about Özil's backround, it has not any connection with being Nationalist. Özil is Turkish-German player and yes it writes in his double-citizen passport.--Finn Diesel (talk) 01:50, 17 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This topic is already in discussion at WP:FOOTY. Please join the discussion there. --Jaellee (talk) 05:41, 17 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
In this particular case, the reference provided is both reliable and detailed, so I think inclusion is okay. I would not be inclined to consider that the default position. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk

07:00, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Whoever removed kurdish descent part from introduction and personal life sections shall be accused of vandalism by Wikipedia. Someone please re-include it as soon as possible. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tmhm (talk • contribs) 01:40, 15 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Read MOS:BIO about not including heritage or ethnicity in the opening "Ethnicity or sexuality should not generally be emphasized in the opening". There is a line on ancestry in the personal life section, where it belongs. Please try to tone down the "terrorist" and "vandalism" claims, it doesn't help you make your point. Camw (talk) 01:50, 15 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Personal life

The section said

Özil is a Muslim, and is known to recite the Qur'an before games.

That would be quite a feat, as the Qur'an comprises over 6,000 verses (ayat). The reference says

The son of Turkish guest workers, Ozil reads from the Koran before matches.

Maybe he recites while reading. In any case, I've changed the section to reflect the source material. --Thnidu (talk) 20:15, 24 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thnidu, I think you are not familiar with the use of Islamic cultural terms in English. Reading Quran does not necessarily mean reading the whole book. "Reciting the Quran" or "reading the Quran" implies reading excerpts from the Quranic verses from one's memory or from the book itself. This expression is so widely used that anybody who has done some literary research on Islamic norms or culture would understand it regardless of practicing the religion or not. I think the sentence "Özil is a Muslim, and is known to recite the Qur'an before games." has absolutely nothing wrong in it and gives us a valuable insight to Oezil's personal life. I have just noticed somebody deleted this sentence from this section and I say this is vandalism. Whoever has done this, should be accused of vandalism by Wikipedia. There is also a youtube video where Oezil is seemed to say verses before a game is starting and surely that could be labeled as reciting the Quran, something Oezil himself confirmed in numerous interviews.~gromell —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.206.255.41 (talk) 19:21, 4 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Martin O Connor?

{{editsemiprotected}} eh, citation needed there bud. 86.45.130.239 (talk) 02:13, 28 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

might want to address "Bayern Munich Schalke" while you're at it. 86.45.130.239 (talk) 02:15, 28 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Thanks. Both problems were caused by old vandalism that was not properly repaired. Adrian J. Hunter(talk•contribs) 09:14, 28 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

why dosent he play for turkey their much better —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.111.130.109 (talk) 16:26, 28 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ozil is best of the best I like ozil —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.19.7.30 (talk) 17:01, 28 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]


He is not engaged to Anna Maria Lagerblom!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.230.4.89 (talk) 22:58, 3 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]


His official website states that he is single. "Familienstand: ledig " —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.77.148.186 (talk) 14:58, 14 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Eyes?

His eyes are rather prominent. Has he suffered from hyperthyroidism or something similar?AuntFlo (talk) 18:33, 7 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Manchester United

On 7th august 2010, it was reported that Manchester United manager, Sir Alex Ferguson, was present at Werder bremen's 5-1 defeat to Fulham, fueling speculation that a deal for the Germany International is imminent. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.0.239.116 (talk) 10:48, 8 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, but we don't include speculation or rumors. Once he has been signed and it is reported by a reliable source then it would be appropriate to add. Camw (talk) 10:58, 8 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

New signing

While he has signed, until he's on the roster of Real Madrid, he should still be listed at his previous club. The most that the article should state now is that an agreement has been reached. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 15:57, 17 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

http://www.realmadrid.com/cs/Satellite/en/First_Team/1193041476158/Plantilla/Squad.htm Number 26. Please stop deleting the information supplied by a WP:V source. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 06:40, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Mesut is not of "German" origin.

Mesut Özil is a German with a Turkish descent. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.203.7.17 (talk) 01:02, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The article already covers this in the personal life section. Camw (talk) 01:11, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
His nationality is German. That makes him of German origin. Just as I am of Canadian origin despite having German parents. His German citizenship is what FIFA recognizes. WP:MOSBIO indicates that "Ethnicity ... should not generally be emphasized in the opening unless it is relevant to the subject's notability" and since his ethnicity is not relevant to his notability, his ability to play football is, then it should be left out of the lede. It is mentioned in the personal life section which is sufficient. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 01:19, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ozil's Number

Refer here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Real_Madrid_C.F.#Ozil_Number —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fatcowxlive (talk • contribs) 20:39, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The jersey numbers are updated now in the spanish site, here. He will wear 23. The english site is really out to date. XavierHD (talk) 21:01, 2 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

HİS ORİGİN

TURKİSH DESCENT NOT A GERMAN —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.235.57.242 (talk) 07:59, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Since he is a footballer, the nationality listed is his FIFA-recognized nationality. Since he was born in Germany, that also makes him a German. Just because his great-grandfather was a Turk does not make him Turkish. Since your IP is from Turkey I suspect you don't agree with that. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 14:16, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Mesut Özil's nationality is relevant as his non-Germanic name raises immediate attention in the international football community as to where his roots belong to. Therefore I edited the wording, with appropriate reference, to "Turkish-German" to clarify the confusion. By the way, Walter, please assume good faith in commentors as the case would be no different for you with your German name. Thanks Tmhm (talk) 21:55, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I reverted the change based on FIFA and WP:MOSBIO. The body of the text deals with the issue and the lede is for his FIFA-designated nationality. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 02:23, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The WP:MOSBIO rule is a general guideline and as stated "Ethnicity or sexuality should not generally be emphasized in the opening unless it is relevant to the subject's notability". In this case Ozil's heritage raised world wide attention due to his non-Germanic name and as a non-ethnic German his raising as a star attracted political awareness of the Germany's changing view of minorities (link) consequently contributing to his notability. As such that is not a restrict rule which can also be observed in the Dennis Aogo or Serdar Tasci articles. Hence I include it in the article. Tmhm (talk) 17:37, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Ozil's heritage has nothing to do with his ability to play football. There are many other German footballers who have a different nationality and it's not mentioned in their ledes. This also applies to footballers in England, France, the Netherlands, Spain, and other locations. It also applies to ice hockey players around the world as well. It's not alight against Özil's Turkish great-grandfather or his involvement the community. It's a simple policy. when you get the policy changed, feel free to apply the new policy here. Until that time we will not emphasize his ethnicity in the lede as per WP:MOSBIO since it is not relevant to the Ozil's notability as a football player. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 18:00, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
You are not deciding what determines Ozil's notability. I provided the relevant links. Please keep your anti-Turkish hatred out of WP and refrain from further reverting. Tmhm (talk) 18:07, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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