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Resident Identity Card#Identity cards in ethnic minority areas

Hello Rjanag. I was wondering: are you still in Xinjiang? If you still are, are you able to (if and when possible) have a look at a PRC ID Card for a local Xinjiang resident, and be able to note the Uyghur text that appears on it for entries like name, gender, etc? (it can be anyone, so it's best to find a Han or someone you know well, as Uyghurs might become a little weary if foreign tourists ask to look at your ID). I was after official Uyghur translations of each of the headings on the ID card, so that I could include it within my table in the JMSFZ article. I suppose you could use a photograph or a text note if you are familiar with the language. Cheers, -- 李博杰 | —Talk contribs email 06:50, 29 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'm back in BJ now, but my friend I was visiting is still in Xinjiang, so I could probably get him to take a photo of someone's ID and then add the translations to the article. He has a lot of Uyghur friends there, so I don't t hink it'll be a problem. rʨanaɢ (talk) 09:25, 29 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

(OT:) by the way, if you're at an internet cafe in China, be careful as some of them might have keyloggers, as I have heard from a few university IT students. Check Windows Task Manager if you can for unexplained programs running. (relevant to WP:SECURITY, but also applies to anything else you may use as well, such as email and banking) Using https://secure.wikimedia.org/ (in case there are listeners) and changing your passwords when you get back might also be important. -- 李博杰 | —Talk contribs email 09:53, 29 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

let me know when that book comes in - very definitely Public Domain!

hey,

Be sure 'n let me know when that book comes in, OK? I'm anxious to avoid letting those two images be deleted. They are far and away the best images in the article (as evidenced by the fact that one of them sits atop the page), and are very definitely Public Domain, but dammit, we have to prove it! Tks! • Ling.Nut 03:00, 18 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sure thing! I requested it last week so it should be in soon (it's already taken longer than usual). If it's time-sensitive, though, you could also try leaving a note at Wikipedia:WikiProject Resource Exchange/Resource Request‎; someone there might be able to get it even faster. rʨanaɢ (talk) 03:16, 18 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Tks for getting that.
I'm disappointed that the two photos are not in it... if you wanna do a huge public service, you could cross-check to see which of the images are in the digital records of the university of Tokyo (e.g., this one) or this blog (the photos are the same, I think) and move all of those to Commons as they are PD. That might take a couple days, so if you don't wanna do that, you could scan the whole book and email it to me. That might take an hour or more, so if you don't wanna do that, then, Belated Happy Moon festival! :-P I sincerely appreciate your help in obtaining that book. [You don't have to do anything at all if you don't want to. No worries.] • Ling.Nut 00:02, 25 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

- Do you still have the book? • Ling.Nut 22:07, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  - Yep, still got it. I'm planning on scanning all the pages with pictures on them and sending them to you, I just haven't gotten around to it yet :( . I'll try to have it done by the end of the weekend. 23:13, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
Sorry to bother you.... any hope for those images, plus the scan of the page that says they were published before 1923? Tks • Ling.Nut (talk) 03:24, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Oops, sorry, I still have the book but I haven't made it to the library recently, the past couple weeks got pretty crazy. (Actually I meant to scan these on Friday, the one time I did make it to the library, but then I ran into a colleague and got delayed.) I'm going on campus today so I'll try to do it then when it's still fresh on my mind. rʨanaɢ (talk) 16:16, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Taste response

Sorry about that revert. I don't really understand why you deleted the factoid from the article, but I should have mentioned this instead of simply reverting your edit.

I hope to convince you that you should at least consider replacing the deleted portion. I believe it is well supported by its citation, that it acts as an interesting hook, and that it enriches the article by including a non-Western perspective. But as I won't revert your edits, it is up to you to decide if the article will or will not include it :)

I don't think the statement made is an over-generalization or, in fact, even a generalization of the source material. The cited article reads, "For one thing, Kraft learned that traditional Oreos were too sweet for Chinese tastes" and, "Some Chinese consumers still find the Oreos too sweet. One 30-year-old consumer who was shopping for groceries in the eastern part of Beijing recently, said that he likes the cookie but that 'many of my friends think I am a bit weird to stick to Oreo cookies, as most of them think it too sweet to be accepted.'"

These statements safely support the notion that sweetness, a highly desirable taste in The West, is not as favored in China. And, while acknowledging that China does not comprise The East, I don't believe a statement like, "sweet may not be a highly favored taste in The East" is a generalization of that notion. Instead it is an assumption that follows from it, and worded in a way that the citation supports it.

I don't think that replacing "The East" with "China" would fit well in the broader context of the article, and I do think that the assumption made is valid. Because tastes usually vary little region-to-region, and because Chinese tastes do not favor sweet, it can be hypothesized that this may be true throughout Asia. So I urge you to consider replacing that part of the article. Fleetham (talk) 15:52, 11 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It is still an overgeneralization. First of all, this is only one example—you can't draw sweeping conclusions based on one data point (a random quote from a random person on the street). Secondly, even if that conclusion were valid, it's still only about one food in one country, not about sweetness in general or about East Asia in general. Thirdly, it's not an academic study, just a commercial speculation; a much more reliable source would be a controlled study surveying attitudes towards tastes across cultures using a large and random sample. Trying to take one person saying "my friends are surprised I eat Oreos!" and extending that to "sweetness is disfavored in the East" is synthesis.

Finally, it's not even accurate. Indeed, Chinese cuisine includes less of what we think of as "dessert" foods (pies and cakes and cookies and such), but that doesn't mean people don't eat that; people eat sweet ice creams and sweet fruits all over the place, and companies like Orion make all kinds of sweet foods and people eat them. Someone saying 这个哈密瓜很甜呢！ is not saying a bad thing. It might be more accurate to say that Chinese people have less of a taste for the sort of processed sugar that is common in American snack food, but not for sweetness in general (and even that is a speculation). rʨanaɢ (talk) 17:57, 11 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I really can't imagine you are giving my argument proper consideration. Statements that obviously misrepresent my argument make it seem that you are more concerned with disarming my contentions than responding to them as if they were valid.

Your argument has valid points, and I won't dispute the deletion. Fleetham (talk) 18:58, 11 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Response 2

Sorry, I stopped reading your reply after, "[you're] trying to take one person saying 'my friends are surprised I eat Oreos!" and extending that to "sweetness is disfavored in the East'".

I went and looked at the WP:SYN link, and you are correct--my edit was WP:SYN and you were right to delete it.

...but I really wasn't trying to extend one person's opinion of his friend's eating habits to those of all Asians.

The fact that you thought this is what my argument was is the reason my first response was rather terse.

So, I apologize for defending my edit, but please take more care to fully understand an argument before you represent it in caricature. Misrepresenting my point doesn't win points for you. Fleetham (talk) 16:06, 12 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You are just terrible

You are terrible!

Whack!

You've been whacked with a wet trout.

Don't take this too seriously. Someone just wants to let you know that you did something silly.

146.163.61.154 (talk) 06:50, 13 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Supriya

Can we continue the discussion here?

Also, why was I checkusered, and none of you?

What's the difference between all of us?

How do we know that one of you isn't Supriyya?

Fellowscientist (talk) 17:44, 13 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You weren't checkusered. rʨanaɢ (talk) 17:45, 13 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Well my name is under the suspected sockpuppets. Why not all of you too? If suspect me why not suspect you too? Fellowscientist (talk) 17:47, 13 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Because, according to the users who opened the request for a checkuser, there was behavioral evidence, which means your editing patterns were similar to Supriyya's editing patterns. No one else here acts like Supriyya. Please consider reading some of the policy and guideline pages about sockpuppetry and checkuser requests before wasting any more time with silly questions like this. rʨanaɢ (talk) 17:52, 13 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Look

I don't really mean what I'm saying about post structural linguistics on the talk page. Taivo ignored my private message to him where I had explained this to him. But here's what. I'm just pretending that we want to restart the post structural linguistics page so that Supriya gets tempted to join in the conversation - and I want you to do the same. The whole post structural linguistics issue is absurd and total crap! Of course it doesn't belong to linguistics and I know! Supriya works here as an admin and we can get hold of her through this trick - and report her and ban her from using the Internet all together. Then she'd never be able to log on ANYWHERE. Legally. Just give this a shot. Pretend that you want to start the page and you've agreed. Once she comes on, we can track her computer. I know where her office is and where she sits; I can figure out its IP number too which you can tally with hers. Later, once she's out, we obviously don't need to start the page, or we can delete whatever we've started. Fellowscientist (talk) 16:24, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I hope this is a joke.

I don't know if you're Supriyya or if you're a wannabe detective, but either way, please don't send me any more messages about Wikipedia sting operations. rʨanaɢ (talk) 17:11, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Finland-Swedish

A bit quick on the trigger, there? You reverted before I had added the ref... Please check it, not quite the same language, actually. --88.112.14.158 (talk) 13:23, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Even the source you added (which, by the way, is just a Wikipedia article, which isn't appropriate for use as a reference) says it's just a variety of the same language. If you disagree, start a discussion at Talk:Mutual intelligibility and seek consensus there. rʨanaɢ (talk) 13:27, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

False etymology

No big deal - just that you put your comment in the survey, not the discussion area. I didn't want to presume to move it, since people editting my talk comments bothers the hell out of me.μηδείς (talk) 04:43, 17 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Strange

How come after you advise me to restrain, you put my name in a minor faith es? -DePiep (talk) 20:37, 17 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I have no idea what a "minor faith es" is. rʨanaɢ (talk) 20:38, 17 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Minor faith = somewhere between AGF and bad faith. es=edit summary. -DePiep (talk) 20:44, 17 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Kaster

Hello. Would you consider changing the protection level of Kaster before 24 Oct? You may be aware of some issues with that article so wanted to check with you before I did anything. Thanks. --Rosiestep (talk) 01:59, 18 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'll try decreasing it back to semi-protection. I did full-protection because there was ongoing vandalism from autoconfirmed users, and even though some of it is attributable to the page's being linked from reddit on that day, that same vandalism had also been going on before, so it's possible that it wasn't just a transient thing. We can see how semi-protection works out and then make a decision about whether it's necessary to fully unprotect it early... rʨanaɢ (talk) 02:13, 18 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! --Rosiestep (talk) 05:53, 18 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I've added some details.♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:22, 18 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Zh

Re. Shixunci (talk · contribs)

A new user, seeming to only contribute in Chinese. After warnings, blocked.

At the request of another user (helpme) I added a link to Chinese Wikipedia help.

Maybe you could add more?

Please see User_talk:Ka Faraq Gatri#Non-English Additions.

Thanks, Chzz ► 12:54, 18 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Happy WikiBirthday (a day late)!

I saw from here that it's been one year since you joined the project. Happy WikiBirthday! Keep up the good work, rʨanaɢ (talk) 14:17, 19 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

OMG, thank you, I didn't notice it, wow a year :D. Thnxs again.Tbhotch^Talk ^C. 18:38, 19 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

ILAMM

Good day

I am wanting to submit a page on ILAMM - a learning methodology - but have seen you have deleted a page about this topic before. Please could you give me some guidelines on what I can do so it is not deleted again. From what I see it was deleted because of copyright issues - is it not possible to take an existing definition and include it into Wikipedia?

Thanks for your assistance. ```` —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ndptc (talk • contribs) 08:21, 22 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

contrib-zh1

Hi. I have just had occasion, for the first time, to use {{contrib-zh1}}. Is there a reason why it gives the message twice, in almost-identical characters? is it perhaps Mandarin/Cantonese or is it a glitch? Regards, JohnCD (talk) 17:14, 23 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The first is in simplified characters and the second is traditional. Best, rʨanaɢ (talk) 17:17, 23 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! JohnCD (talk) 17:20, 23 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Afd

I'm sorry about the whole silly argument, but you have to clarify what you mean by content issues. From what I've gleaned so far, your concerns seems to deal with Wikipedia:Manual of Style (layout) issues (which is ~~under [[:Category:Wikipedia Manual of Style (content)~~]], admittedly I should have linked to that page directly, instead of the more general WP:MOS). If you're not talking about layout, footnotes, formatting, notability, reliable sources... what's left?--hkr Laozi speak 05:32, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Upon further reading, I admit my mistake, Category:Wikipedia Manual of Style (content) is not relevent, but Wikipedia:Manual of Style (layout) is. ( I'm still relatively new at this. :) )But you should clarify what you mean by content issues! I know it reads like an essay, but what specific guidelines does it violate, if not MoS?--hkr Laozi speak 05:44, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I've just realised you're an admin. I've been debating with an admin on policy... D: --hkr Laozi speak 05:54, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The content issues are as I said in the opening statement: the article reads like a personal essay and a review of recent literature, which is nice in a science journal but is not really a useful encyclopedia article. If you want a short, punchy guideline, try Wikipedia is not a scientific journal.

As for admin status, that doesn't really matter. An admin is just someone who has a few extra buttons on their interface, that doesn't automatically make them more knowledgeable or authoritative on policy or content issues, so don't worry. rʨanaɢ (talk) 06:24, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Forensic Linguistics

With regard to the changes that you reverted on the Forensic Linguistics page, what did you mean by "..strange addition of personal opinion in the middle of a footnote"? Do clarify, because I don't recall adding any personal thoughts or the like. I am part of a larger group of students improving that page for a school project, so edits will be made bit by bit and in a series.

We would appreciate it if you could hold off on reverting or making minor stylistic changes until we have finished, as it disrupts the flow of whatever we intend to add. If you have comments on the content, you can make them on my user page. Nashrian (talk) 05:59, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

See the diff. It's pretty obvious; you added "There are, however, limitations in using forensic linguistic. [sic]", and it was in the middle of a footnote, I don't know how I can be much more clear.

That is an unqualified and unreferenced statement thrown randomly into the middle of the article with no attempt to create a transition or to integrate it into an appropriate place. Such a statement might be ok if it's used as a transition into an actual referenced discussion listing what some of these limitations are, but in the edit in question you just plunked it down in a random spot. rʨanaɢ (talk) 06:11, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

As for your school project, I applaud your work and will try not to affect your grade, but you do need to realize that Wikipedia is a dynamic project and no article on Wikipedia is going to put itself on hold for the sake of someone's project or grade. You are more than welcome to edit the article (and in fact constructive improvements would be much appreciated; that article is quite poor and could use your attention) but your edits will still be subject to the same expectations as everyone else's. Most of these expections are just common sense, like the issues I described above. But for less intuitive issues, Wikipedia has a vast network of guideline pages that discuss every possible; WP:MOS is a good starting point that will lead you on to many other relevant pages. If you or any of your classmates have questions about any editing guidelines or expectations, feel free to leave me a message. rʨanaɢ (talk) 06:19, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Would it be okay to remove some of the improvement tags on the Forensic Linguistics page now? Reorganization has been done and most of the grammar has been edited.Nashrian (talk) 14:35, 18 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

No, all those issues are still relevant. The grammar is still quite poor (I've only done a cursory sweep through the earlier text, and the new text your classmates added today still has problems), many paragraphs are completely unreferenced, and the article is still not intuitively organized (particularly, it has unclear and unhelpful sections like "other general issues"). I assume you are in a hurry to get the tags removed because the article is being evaluated today for your class, but it is not my fault that you and your classmates more or less waited until yesterday to start doing any substantial work on it. The article will not reach Good Article status before the evaluation because the GAN process takes several weeks to complete. rʨanaɢ (talk) 14:36, 18 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Huh? GAN? No we're not looking for GAN but I do think the tone and reorganization have been greatly improved from what it was when it first began. Any suggestion for the "Other general issues" heading? Just that the many books & journals that we use mention those "issues" a lot so it should be worth including. Nashrian (talk) 14:56, 18 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Happy Rjanag's Day!

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and therefore, I've officially declared today as Rjanag's day!
For being such a beautiful person and great Wikipedian,
enjoy being the Star of the day, dear Rjanag!

Peace,
Rlevse
11:06, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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my copyright contributer investigation

This investigation of my contributions- Wikipedia:Contributor copyright investigations/Дунгане has been dragging on for a while with absolutely no one looking into it. Its been over a month since i last checked it, and two months since another user was checking. I would like to get it cleared up soon, do you have time to check the articles off if they are copyvio or not? ( i can't do it all myself of course, because they would be a conflict of interest). I would like to clear up the copyvio and rewrite if there is any rather than it being all deleted.Дунгане (talk) 04:30, 25 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Turpan - Turks/ Turkish/ Turkic

Hi Rjanag. I am writing to you and Pmanderson as the two people I see most involved with the article on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turpan. I believe it is against the 'rules' to 'lobby' other editors, but that is not what I am doing and I am doing this openly. A user has deleted the reference to the name Turpan in Turkish, stating that it has nothing to do with Turkey/ Turks/ Turkish. I pointed out that according to the article it does indeed. The user then went back to the article and removed all references to Turkish and replaced them with Turkic. I am not an expert on the subject, so, even though I know what the differences are between Turkish and Turkic, I am not in a position to judge in this speciifc case. I therefore am bringing it to the attention of the two of you. Best regards, --Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia (talk) 06:54, 25 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know the historical stuff well, but as for today "Turkic" is indeed more correct than "Turkish". Turpan is very far away from Turkey.

As for Pmanderson, that editor is not actually "involved" in the article, he has just edit-warred over the title. Anyway, he's currently blocked for incivility. rʨanaɢ (talk) 13:15, 25 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Main page appearance

Hello! This is a note to let the main editors of this article know that it will be appearing as the main page featured article on November 4, 2010. You can view the TFA blurb at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/November 4, 2010. If you think that it is necessary to change the main date, you can request it with the featured article director, Raul654 (talk · contribs). If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page so Wikipedia doesn't look bad. :D Thanks! Tbhotch^Talk ^C. 02:27, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Not One Less is a 1999 drama film by Chinese director Zhang Yimou, adapted from Shi Xiangsheng's 1997 story "A Sun in the Sky." It was released by China Film Group Corporation in mainland China, and by Sony Pictures Classics and Columbia Tristar internationally. Set in the People's Republic of China during the 1990s, the film centers on a 13-year-old substitute teacher, Wei Minzhi, in the Chinese countryside. Called in to substitute for a village teacher for one month, Wei is told not to lose any students. When one of the boys takes off in search of work in the big city, she goes looking for him. The film addresses education reform in China, the economic gap between urban and rural populations, and the prevalence of bureaucracy and authority figures in everyday life. It is filmed in a neorealist/documentary style with a troupe of non-professional actors who play characters with the same names and occupations as the actors have in real life, blurring the boundaries between drama and reality. The domestic release of Not One Less was accompanied by a Chinese government campaign aimed at promoting the film and cracking down on piracy. Internationally, the film was generally well-received, but it also attracted criticism for its ostensibly political message. When the film was excluded from the 1999 Cannes Film Festival's competition section, Zhang withdrew it and another film from the festival, and published a letter rebuking Cannes for politicization of and "discrimination" against Chinese cinema. (more...)

Four Award

		Four Award
		Congratulations! You have been awarded the Four Award for your work from beginning to end on Nothing to My Name.

Great work! Little Mountain 5 23:00, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! I hadn't even noticed that this qualified! rʨanaɢ (talk) 16:22, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

the issue is not resolved, please strike your comment

See my post. Please strikethrough your comment that he issue is "long since resolved". • Ling.Nut (talk) 23:46, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Did you know...

... that you can see 5000 old versions of a page at a time, if you add an extra 0 to 500 in the url?

It takes a while to load, but it's better than doing 500 at a time. SmartSE (talk) 18:07, 1 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Category of Cornish descent

I've been adding these categories to people either with recognised Cornish ancestry or distinctly Cornish names, like Annear. I will be happy to provide referencing. Bodrugan (talk) 22:01, 7 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Category of Cornish descent

I've been adding these categories to people either with recognised Cornish ancestry or distinctly Cornish names, like Annear. I will be happy to provide referencing. Bodrugan (talk) 22:02, 7 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

There are plenty of people categorised with various other ancestries that are not included/referenced in their articles. The Wikipedia rules on categorisation appear to only be as strict as you are suggesting for religious and sexual beliefs. Bodrugan (talk) 01:55, 8 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

n+1

N+1 is a pretty well-respected journal, with a print and web presence- so it's not self-published. As for when I did the interview, it was in late April 2010. 109.157.171.247 (talk) 00:06, 10 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for advice!

Hi. Thank you for asking to correct the Creative Pedagogy page references (Nov 9, 2010). I did it and I truly appreciate your advice and help. Gem131 (talk) 22:08, 11 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Question

Hi! I apologise for our earlier encounter on AfD, I shouldn't have emphasised MoS so much, and I do see your point. But now, I have a question regarding DYK, which you've been an very active participant of. How long does it take for the straw polls to close and for the proposals to be implemented? Is there an exact date, or does it vary depending on circumstance?--res Laozi speak 06:02, 16 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The latter. Many are never implemented at all; straw polls are really more for roughly measuring consensus than for actually implementing it. The discussion that follows the poll will probably determine when and how the proposals are implemented. rʨanaɢ (talk) 15:22, 16 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Understood, thank you for the advice.--res Laozi speak 22:37, 17 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Move request

Per primary topic, I have chosen to re-direct 承德 to Chengde (the prefecture) instead of mirroring what the Chinese wiki does. But as there apparently is a 承德县 and Japanese 承德, some form of a DAB ought to be kept. So I attempted to move 承德 to 承德 (disambiguation), but the move attempt failed. Thus, to avoid a copy-and-paste, I request that you execute this. Thanks. If this is invalid, sorry for the bother --HXL 's Roundtable, and Record 04:35, 17 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Invitation to review linguistics page - Internet Linguistics

Hi Rjanag,

I am redirected by Sasata from the FA nominations page to request for help from you to peer review the Internet Linguistics page. Here's the direct link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Peer_review/Internet_linguistics/archive1 Hope you can spare some time reviewing it so further improvements can be made to make the page better.

Thanks. Serenehj (talk) 02:33, 18 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]